Field Marshal Fogger vs Marshal Fulkerson (again)

[fogger]

We are playing under Ron's rule. The old rule 6 & 7 are deleted.

6) The Finns may not move south of the original border north of Leningrad (line marked on map), or south of the Svir River at the Karelian ness (marked), east of the line by Karhumäki (marked) and across the old border by Salla (marked), untill turn 40. Further more, given the special circumstance of the historic involvement of the Finns, they are not allowed embark on ships or attack into ANY Leningrad or Murmansk hexes. If Leningrad falls the restrictions on the Finns are lifted – DELETE. (Note: this is a very important change as it allows the Finns to pose a threat to Leningrad and Murmansk – which was not possible with the original house rule. When combined with the deletion of Rule 7 (below) a lot of strategic possibilities are opened up for the Axis player)

7) The Axis player may only send one German division or three air formations to Finland. This is in addition to German divisions that start or enters as reinforcement in Finland and Norway. Only two GERMAN divisions may be in or attack out from the southern part of Finland at any time. (Area below the non-playable, black area) All restriction on the German forces are lifted on turn 136 or if Sweden joins the war – DELETE.

[MAurelius]

ahh ok - sry - I probably overlooked that in the intro... thanks a lot....

[Lobster]

ORIGINAL: MAurelius

ORIGINAL: larryfulkerson

Early in the war the Soviets are outnumbered and outgunned and there simply was no way to form a proper front line and
most of the actions in the early war were about roadblocks and strongpoints that were both defeated eventually. The same
thing is occuring in our game. The Germans were halted IRL in the battle of Moscow and I'm not sure my boys are up to
that challenge. John is doing magnificant and I'm glad to play him.

whereas when you fall back - the German player will advance further than his supply can take him - then he needs to rest - give you time to strengthen your lines even further....
worked for me twice at least - did stop the game early however.. cause the Dnepr was as far as the Germans got....


PS: also isn't there a HR that the game suggests: the Finns are not allowed to go past the defenses of Leningrad in the north? - I see they have attacked beyond that - was that discussed? - just asking, since it's something the game specifically suggests...

This was only one thing of many that were wrong with FitE. The Soviet could pull back causing trench warfare in 1941. I've also seen Soviet players invade and defeat Finland in 1941. Made for a short and not very fun game.

Also, historically the Finns refused to move beyond a certain point for political reasons. They were probably more aware of the likely outcome of an invasion of the Soviet Union than their German allies and I think were hedging their bet so as not to piss the bear off too much. The Finns entering Leningrad was about as likely as Turkey entering the war on the side of the Axis. Not going to happen.

[larryfulkerson]

Hey you guys, I just sent my T17 moves to John Fogger. I'm not sure if he's still up down there so to speak.
He may have already gone to bed. Anyway we should have some exciting new pictures for you tomorrow.
Or soon. My losses are horrendous and STILL John advances. The replacements I got in earlier turns
still aren't arriving at the front in time. John is moving so fast they are swallowed up in the carnage. It's
looking like it's curtains for the Soviet Union. But I want to give John a descent game. How do you spell
descent. I want to give him a good game. I'm open to suggestions at this point.

[fogger]

The start of turn 18. This is an overview of the southern front. Odessa and Kiev have fallen. I am trying to release my Panzer divisions from the two Kiev pockets so that they race to the east. As can be seen my recon units are out front and there appears to be little between them and Voronezh. (the last red dot on the right.

[fogger]

I am in trouble in the centre. Larry has been able to contain my 3 bridgeheads and push one back. As can be seen even if I can get through this MLR I am facing another 2 MLR's before I hit Moscow. The only way is to go round them but I do not have the forces or time.

[fogger]

The northern front. Leningrad has fallen and another 10+ divisions are trapped. Losses have been heavy so I am going to have to use arty to destroy the forces in the pocket. I am pushing up against Murmansk but do not have the strength to take by force. I may have to screen this area until I can release units from other parts of the front. I think I will make the Vorkhov & Svir rivers my winter line and settle into trench warfare in this area.

[fogger]

My Inf losses to the start of turn 18

[fogger]

My tank losses.

[fogger]

Air losses

[fogger]

The start of turn 19 and Larry is in trouble on the Southern front. I am now moving as many Inf and Panzer divisions to this front as I can.

[fogger]

Larry appears to have written off the Leningrad pocket.The only way to break out would be at the Schlburg (?) crossing. I am still very weak in this area. Sorry about the appearance. Had to remove some of the picture that it could upload

[Cfant]

That's the Blitzkrieg-spirit [:'(] Good job!

[Ammann]

In fact, very impressive and now on towards Stalingrad.

[fogger]

I do not the strength at present to make it to Stalingrad. So I will give an overview of what I plan to do. First an overview of the front. I have broken the front into 4 AO's. The Murmansk AO, the Leningrad AO, the Centre AO and the Southern AO. The first priority is to secure the Leningrad AO and build a defensive line and then go over to the defensive in this AO. My original plan was to build that line along the Volkhov River but I have been able to get 2 bridgeheads on the eastern side so now I am aiming to build that line on the eastern side and use the river obstacle in my rear with my reserve panzer divisions on the western side . That way if Larry counter attacks he has to get through the MLR and then cross the obstacle

[fogger]

The second priority is the Murmansk AO. Forces released from the Leningrad AO will be used here first. The fall of Murmansk will result in a loss of production (5%) and also another army group of 5+ divisions. Unless Larry tries to break out and withdraw via the port at 125,8. With the fall of Murmansk this AO and the Leningrad AO will then go the defensive and the area handed over to the Finns with a little support. The forces released here will then move south.

[fogger]

The centre AO is my problem area. Larry has built another 2 MLR’s before Moscow. I have taken some heavy losses in this area and every time I have a break in Larry is able to contain it.

[Zovs]

What are the counter and map graphics package you are using Fogger?

Where could it be downloaded and how best to apply it?

Thanks.





Doing a bump, this may have got missed when I posted it with foggers uploads...

[fogger]

The northern end of the Southern AO. I have had some success here but as can be seen Larry is shipping in units to act as blocking units while he extends the next MLR. Time and distance is against me here. I have to be careful that I do not end up with a long defensive line. Larry’s defence in the Centre AO will either win or lose the game for him. At present my money is on him winning.

[fogger]

As can be seen from the attached picture I am too thin on the ground in the southern end of Southern AO.