Not positive, but I think disbanded in a big port is better than being in a TF. The assumption is that when in a TF part of the crew is running the ships engines and other systems so they are not available for fire fighting/damage control. You may have had two turns of bad rolls. A couple of turns of good rolls might kill those fires in the nick of time.
Put in a new commander with high Naval skill if you can afford it.
See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Just watched the next replay. Will update shortly. BB Maryland's damage disbanded at PH has increased, and the rate of increase has increased. I have other ships, obviously, in shipyard repair and in pier repair. I wonder if these ships somehow use up the points that could be putting out the fires on Maryland. I don't want to pull all my ships out of pier and shipyard mode. It would take 3 days to do this anyhow. Would be an interesting experiment to do on the side, though.
I am seriously considering putting the battleship into a task force with 4 destroyers and leave it docked (not disbanded), and see if this helps or hurts. It will sink as it is.
It just may be that the ship is too far gone to save, anywhere. It started with SYS 43, FLD 94, and FIRE 25. 3 days later, it is SYS 56, FLD 94, and FIRE 46.
I am seriously considering putting the battleship into a task force with 4 destroyers and leave it docked (not disbanded), and see if this helps or hurts. It will sink as it is.
It just may be that the ship is too far gone to save, anywhere. It started with SYS 43, FLD 94, and FIRE 25. 3 days later, it is SYS 56, FLD 94, and FIRE 46.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
I am removing all ships from Pier and Shipyard Repair. This probably won't help (not to mention that it may matter that it takes 3 days to change ship modes), but it's worth a try. I will leave BB Maryland in port. I found this old thread:
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where Don Bowen states:
"The ship will then fight fires using the normal in-port fire fighting process. This is based on port size (less damage!), naval support, crew experience, systems damage (which includes fire fighting equipment), and "luck"."
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where Don Bowen states:
"The ship will then fight fires using the normal in-port fire fighting process. This is based on port size (less damage!), naval support, crew experience, systems damage (which includes fire fighting equipment), and "luck"."
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
On Malaysia, lots of unrestricted ground units heading for Singapore. I will evacuate as much as my opponent allows. Lots of shipping heading to Singapore from the south.
Good to see another Allied AAR start up!
On problem with evac forces - the quicker Malaya falls, the quicker the IJA can redeploy elsewhere. Where are you bringing the convoys of troops initially slated for Singers?
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Everything British and Indian coming out of Singapore will go to the Indian theater. Malaya will fall quicker, but I may have some surprises for him with these units in the future. My opponent has started cautiously, so I'm hoping that continues for awhile.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
10 Dec 41
Two long range ships, an AK and a TK, were fleeing Manila to the east when spotted by a probable CVE coming south from Japan. This turn, they are intercepted by BB Ise and BB Nagato, with 2 DD's, and are sunk.
Japanese subs have another good day, sinking another unescorted AP south of Singapore, hitting a big AP just about to enter SF, and sinking a loaded AP near Palembang. There are fewer unescorted ships now, as the convoys form and pick up escorts. But there still are some. The AP hit once near SF survives and makes port.
At Hong Kong, instead of just fleeing with the AK's that start there, I loaded them up with fuel and moved them to the Chinese base west of Hong Kong. While loading and unloading, some were hit, but some fuel was unloaded. This turn, a couple of Japanese DD's made an appearance and finished off what was left. I figured that most wouldn't survive anyway. Less fuel left at Hong Kong, and anything that makes it to my industry in China is a bonus.
Japanese landings occur at Cagayan and Davao. I suspect the usual Legaspi landing units went to Cagayan. Float planes attempt to attack the landing ships, and are fought off with Jakes and Petes. Interesting air battle!
PT's fleeing Hong Kong almost make it to Subic Bay, but are intercepted by a CL and a few DD's. A couple of PT's are lost, and the rest run out of fuel one hex from Subic.
Guam holds! He used a tiny SNLF company, gets a 1-1, drops the fort to 0, but the base holds. Having a defense AV of 0, it can't hold for long. A small US AK is a few days out from Wake, and if it makes it there, it will attempt an evacuation. I'm sure it won't make it, but it's a fun attempt.
I've already discussed BB Maryland at PH. All I can do is hope. Since the FLOT damage has held at 94 for 4 days, but the SYS and FIRE has increased, I wonder if the port repair is prioritizing the FLOT damage with it so dangerously high, but running out of "points" on the fire. Just a wild guess. With all other ships being unassigned from Pier and Shipyard, maybe something good will happen next turn. Just an experiment at this point. Nothing to lose with the ship on it's way down as is.
Japanese recon gets a good look at the many transports at Singapore. I doubt that my evacuations will continue unimpeded for long. Loading up 6 more units this turn.
Jap surface group moves into Brunei, where the 4 Hong Kong destroyers were last turn. I had left. 2 other task forces to the north, probably another surface group and an invasion group.
Got the intel for a part of 33 Division loaded on an AP heading to Port Arthur. Thought this was a really strange piece of intel. Don't know what to make of it. May be a misdirection.
Finally, KB and oilers continue due west, on course for a possible intervention at Wake. US subs continue to try to track them.
Two long range ships, an AK and a TK, were fleeing Manila to the east when spotted by a probable CVE coming south from Japan. This turn, they are intercepted by BB Ise and BB Nagato, with 2 DD's, and are sunk.
Japanese subs have another good day, sinking another unescorted AP south of Singapore, hitting a big AP just about to enter SF, and sinking a loaded AP near Palembang. There are fewer unescorted ships now, as the convoys form and pick up escorts. But there still are some. The AP hit once near SF survives and makes port.
At Hong Kong, instead of just fleeing with the AK's that start there, I loaded them up with fuel and moved them to the Chinese base west of Hong Kong. While loading and unloading, some were hit, but some fuel was unloaded. This turn, a couple of Japanese DD's made an appearance and finished off what was left. I figured that most wouldn't survive anyway. Less fuel left at Hong Kong, and anything that makes it to my industry in China is a bonus.
Japanese landings occur at Cagayan and Davao. I suspect the usual Legaspi landing units went to Cagayan. Float planes attempt to attack the landing ships, and are fought off with Jakes and Petes. Interesting air battle!
PT's fleeing Hong Kong almost make it to Subic Bay, but are intercepted by a CL and a few DD's. A couple of PT's are lost, and the rest run out of fuel one hex from Subic.
Guam holds! He used a tiny SNLF company, gets a 1-1, drops the fort to 0, but the base holds. Having a defense AV of 0, it can't hold for long. A small US AK is a few days out from Wake, and if it makes it there, it will attempt an evacuation. I'm sure it won't make it, but it's a fun attempt.
I've already discussed BB Maryland at PH. All I can do is hope. Since the FLOT damage has held at 94 for 4 days, but the SYS and FIRE has increased, I wonder if the port repair is prioritizing the FLOT damage with it so dangerously high, but running out of "points" on the fire. Just a wild guess. With all other ships being unassigned from Pier and Shipyard, maybe something good will happen next turn. Just an experiment at this point. Nothing to lose with the ship on it's way down as is.
Japanese recon gets a good look at the many transports at Singapore. I doubt that my evacuations will continue unimpeded for long. Loading up 6 more units this turn.
Jap surface group moves into Brunei, where the 4 Hong Kong destroyers were last turn. I had left. 2 other task forces to the north, probably another surface group and an invasion group.
Got the intel for a part of 33 Division loaded on an AP heading to Port Arthur. Thought this was a really strange piece of intel. Don't know what to make of it. May be a misdirection.
Finally, KB and oilers continue due west, on course for a possible intervention at Wake. US subs continue to try to track them.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Are you planning on evacuating aircraft with that AK going to Wake? You cannot load troops unless you have at least one AP/xAP/APD/AMC.
For my money, a real AK (as opposed to xAK) is worth more than anything it might save. I think most AKs can upgrade to AKAs in 1943 and any assault transport is gold.
Re: the 33rd Division to PA - the TF is likely going there to load supply because there was not enough at the base where 33rd Division was loaded. I do this all the time with TFs carrying the multitude of troops from Aden - I send them to Abadan to load supply if there is lots there.
For my money, a real AK (as opposed to xAK) is worth more than anything it might save. I think most AKs can upgrade to AKAs in 1943 and any assault transport is gold.
Re: the 33rd Division to PA - the TF is likely going there to load supply because there was not enough at the base where 33rd Division was loaded. I do this all the time with TFs carrying the multitude of troops from Aden - I send them to Abadan to load supply if there is lots there.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Thanks BBfanboy for the info on the 33rd division. I wasn't aware of that.
I meant to say that the xAKL is going to Guam, not Wake. At Guam, the Japs made a very small invasion that didn't take the island, yet. The small xAKL has a 100 troop capacity, so it's a fun attempt.
Hoping for a turn today.
I meant to say that the xAKL is going to Guam, not Wake. At Guam, the Japs made a very small invasion that didn't take the island, yet. The small xAKL has a 100 troop capacity, so it's a fun attempt.
Hoping for a turn today.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
I have not played DBB so I was not aware there are some xAK types that can carry troops. I always thought that was unrealistic in stock to require an xAP/AP type with any troop TF.ORIGINAL: apbarog
Thanks BBfanboy for the info on the 33rd division. I wasn't aware of that.
I meant to say that the xAKL is going to Guam, not Wake. At Guam, the Japs made a very small invasion that didn't take the island, yet. The small xAKL has a 100 troop capacity, so it's a fun attempt.
Hoping for a turn today.
No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
11 Dec 41
First, in the continuing saga of trying to save BB Maryland at Pearl Harbor, it's more bad news. All damage continues to increase. Now SYS 53, FLOT 95, ENG 11, and FIRE 49. All of the other ships still need 2 days to come out of pier and shipyard repair. It remains unknown whether that can make any difference.
It was a very good day for the Japanese. Last turn, multiple combat fleets were spotted on the north coast of Borneo. It looked like an invasion was imminent. I diverted a number of task forces that were heading that way to escape the Phillipines, diverting them south along the east coast of Borneo. No invasion showed at Borneo, and his fleets charged down the east side of Borneo chasing the herd. Also, CV Kaga joined in, moving west from Mindanao area. Many Allied ships were lost, including 4 AM's, 2 AO, PG, ACM, AV Langley, AS Canopus, AS Otis, and an AVD. Balikpapan is now threatened, causing an exodus of shipping from there. The US fleet leaves and heads to the west side of Borneo, hoping that an exposed landing occurs on the north coast. Can't engage around Balikpapan with CV Kaga in the area.
With my somewhat successful attempt at hauling fuel from Hong Kong to another Chinese base, I pushed my luck, sending some small cargo ships from the Phillipines full of fuel. They were going to go around the west side of Hainan island, hoping to avoid air search around Hong Kong. But he had air search up on Hainan, and Bettys from Indochina finished off the entire task force.
Hong Kong is shock attacked, getting 1 to 1 odds and reducing the forts to 2. Casualties Jap-1386, Allied-476.
Cagayan is shock attacked, getting 1 to 1 odds and reducing the fort to 0. Casualties Jap-475, Allied-235. I have a unit on the way from the east, but it'll take about a week to get there.
Guam falls, and the small xAKL I had on the way there is hunted down by a surface group.
Undefended Manokwari on the New Guinea coast falls.
Davao is shock attacked, getting a 1 to 1 odds and reducing the fort to 0. Casualties Jap 130, Allied-108.
All in all I'm seeing small units everywhere, making me wonder where the divisions are headed.
KB moved 9 hexes west, nearing Wake. I have subs chasing.
At Singapore, another group of 7 units loads on transports for evacuation.
First, in the continuing saga of trying to save BB Maryland at Pearl Harbor, it's more bad news. All damage continues to increase. Now SYS 53, FLOT 95, ENG 11, and FIRE 49. All of the other ships still need 2 days to come out of pier and shipyard repair. It remains unknown whether that can make any difference.
It was a very good day for the Japanese. Last turn, multiple combat fleets were spotted on the north coast of Borneo. It looked like an invasion was imminent. I diverted a number of task forces that were heading that way to escape the Phillipines, diverting them south along the east coast of Borneo. No invasion showed at Borneo, and his fleets charged down the east side of Borneo chasing the herd. Also, CV Kaga joined in, moving west from Mindanao area. Many Allied ships were lost, including 4 AM's, 2 AO, PG, ACM, AV Langley, AS Canopus, AS Otis, and an AVD. Balikpapan is now threatened, causing an exodus of shipping from there. The US fleet leaves and heads to the west side of Borneo, hoping that an exposed landing occurs on the north coast. Can't engage around Balikpapan with CV Kaga in the area.
With my somewhat successful attempt at hauling fuel from Hong Kong to another Chinese base, I pushed my luck, sending some small cargo ships from the Phillipines full of fuel. They were going to go around the west side of Hainan island, hoping to avoid air search around Hong Kong. But he had air search up on Hainan, and Bettys from Indochina finished off the entire task force.
Hong Kong is shock attacked, getting 1 to 1 odds and reducing the forts to 2. Casualties Jap-1386, Allied-476.
Cagayan is shock attacked, getting 1 to 1 odds and reducing the fort to 0. Casualties Jap-475, Allied-235. I have a unit on the way from the east, but it'll take about a week to get there.
Guam falls, and the small xAKL I had on the way there is hunted down by a surface group.
Undefended Manokwari on the New Guinea coast falls.
Davao is shock attacked, getting a 1 to 1 odds and reducing the fort to 0. Casualties Jap 130, Allied-108.
All in all I'm seeing small units everywhere, making me wonder where the divisions are headed.
KB moved 9 hexes west, nearing Wake. I have subs chasing.
At Singapore, another group of 7 units loads on transports for evacuation.
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12 Dec 41
BB Maryland continues to burn in PH port. SYS 59, FLT 95, ENG 18, FIRE 60. Going to take it out of port and put a few DD's with it. It will probably sink. Want to see if this is any better than what is happening in port. Maybe it would have a chance if Pearl Harbor port was bigger than a 7. It does have over 500 naval support, but it just isn't getting better.
SS Trout takes a shot at CV Soryu near Wake, but misses. Was nice to see though.
In the Phillipines, invasion at Naga. 16 recon, 20 inf, 9 inf, and 16 eng regiments land. I'd already sent several Phillipine units here based on intel on the upcoming landing. I need one more turn to have the last out of Strat mode though. I may slow him down here. Or I may just get rolled over faster. Cagayan falls. Worst is that I would have received an infantry regiment as reinforcements here, on this turn, if it had held. Davao is attacked, again 1 to 1, but the Allies take more casualties. It will fall shortly. The same P40E's that strafe/bombed at Vigan earlier do the same at Davao, getting a probable sinking of an xAKL with 4 bomb hits. These guys have good strafing skills, and the 500lb bomb is nice. In strafing mode, they seem to have good accuracy bombing, despite having next to no naval bombing or low naval bombing skills.
Between Borneo and Mindanao, the great turkey shoot of fleeing ships almost ends. Most Jap surface fleets head north, near the NE corner of Borneo, either RTB or going back to the north coast. One group raids Tarakan, sinking just 4 HDML's. Everything else had been sunk by Kaga the turn before. Kaga is not seen this turn. 2 AKL's sunk by a CA group.
2 Indian units are cut off at Alor Star. He's actively doing recon on Malaysian bases now, no doubt looking for an opportunistic para drop soon. Most bases are covered. A couple have units moving to them, but not there yet. And the great evacuation at Singapore continues.
In China, Kweiteh is attacked by a small armored unit, with the Allies taking all of the casualties. It will fall next turn.
Hollandia and Wewak fall.
BB Maryland continues to burn in PH port. SYS 59, FLT 95, ENG 18, FIRE 60. Going to take it out of port and put a few DD's with it. It will probably sink. Want to see if this is any better than what is happening in port. Maybe it would have a chance if Pearl Harbor port was bigger than a 7. It does have over 500 naval support, but it just isn't getting better.
SS Trout takes a shot at CV Soryu near Wake, but misses. Was nice to see though.
In the Phillipines, invasion at Naga. 16 recon, 20 inf, 9 inf, and 16 eng regiments land. I'd already sent several Phillipine units here based on intel on the upcoming landing. I need one more turn to have the last out of Strat mode though. I may slow him down here. Or I may just get rolled over faster. Cagayan falls. Worst is that I would have received an infantry regiment as reinforcements here, on this turn, if it had held. Davao is attacked, again 1 to 1, but the Allies take more casualties. It will fall shortly. The same P40E's that strafe/bombed at Vigan earlier do the same at Davao, getting a probable sinking of an xAKL with 4 bomb hits. These guys have good strafing skills, and the 500lb bomb is nice. In strafing mode, they seem to have good accuracy bombing, despite having next to no naval bombing or low naval bombing skills.
Between Borneo and Mindanao, the great turkey shoot of fleeing ships almost ends. Most Jap surface fleets head north, near the NE corner of Borneo, either RTB or going back to the north coast. One group raids Tarakan, sinking just 4 HDML's. Everything else had been sunk by Kaga the turn before. Kaga is not seen this turn. 2 AKL's sunk by a CA group.
2 Indian units are cut off at Alor Star. He's actively doing recon on Malaysian bases now, no doubt looking for an opportunistic para drop soon. Most bases are covered. A couple have units moving to them, but not there yet. And the great evacuation at Singapore continues.
In China, Kweiteh is attacked by a small armored unit, with the Allies taking all of the casualties. It will fall next turn.
Hollandia and Wewak fall.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
I couldn't get myself to put BB Maryland into a task force to test fighting the fire outside of the port. There's no way it would survive the 95 FLOT damage in a task force. So I'll let it ride in the port for another turn. Next turn, every other ship will be out of pier and shipyard repair, so I'll put them all in task forces and have the port completely empty, except for Maryland. Then I'll see if it gets the fire under control.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Hi apbarog, welcome to the Allied side!
I think you'll enjoy this game - DBB-B #28 is great, also the extended map & stacking limits. And you'll dig the beta, it adds good functionality to game screens.
Here's some things you might want to know:
- 2-3 useful NavSupport BaseForces in the Philippines need to evac to Darwin & Perth. In general, get your BaseForces out!
- Some several base hexes in North Oz can be bought to ABDA Command for 50-80 PP each, then KNIL airgroups can fly to them. Some several Dutch BFs are distributed amongst various islands, these guys are fragments of larger units. They can be bought out of Restricted status & evac'ed to Oz, then re-combined into respectably-sized BFs. The Dutch Navy has some several decent Aux/Support ships, including light ARD's, but they're all deadly slow & need to head South right away. You have v. limited PPs to spend, but you may find it worthwhile to spend them on rescuing Dutch BFs & airgroups, to create a DEW-line from North Oz bases.
- Review your Pearl Harbor Industry, it's likely that the shipyard took some damage on 07Dec, turn its Repair ON if needed. wrt BB Maryland, I agree w/ BBfanboy - the only thing you can do is replace her captain w/ the highest NavSkill captain you can get (high Nav gives good damage control). Leave her disbanded in port, but land her floatplanes (use the port's 'Show ships under repair' button to get to a ship's embarked airgroup, the 'Manage ships under repair' button doesn't give you access to an embarked airgroup). Your latest post indicates that she's likely not to survive, perhaps it's time to consider use of the Scuttlebutton, which will decrease (by 10%?) the amnt of VP her loss will give to your opponent.
- DBB-B#28 gives you a lot of merchies based in the DEI, no doubt lots of them are fleeing to Oz or India or Cape Town. Review all these TFs, make sure they're set to 'Do Not Refuel' when they arrive. It's going to take months to build your off-map ports to their max size & ship in the needed fuel. Meanwhile, don't let arriving refugees glom the limited fuel stocks, especially at Cape Town. Start organizing CS Convoys from USA EC and CanalZone Christobal to carry fuel to Cape Town, even if you have to use xAKs at half-load. Don't let Cape Town run dry of fuel! And also too, don't forget to refuel these merchies as they load to carry supply to on-map bases. It's really maddening to send off a TranTF from CT to Oz, then find them burning their engines out in mid-ocean when they've run out of fuel!
- in the at-start forces of DBB-B #28, there's about 20 xAPs & 6 xAKs that can convert to APA/AKA in early '42. It's fair important that you identify these ships, and only give them low-risk missions. Get them disbanded to a shipyard port in good time to start their conversions. They'll be the nucleus of an eventual hugeous fleet of Amph-capable ships, & you won't want to lose them early.
wrt your house-rules, what's the deal w/ "PPs paid to change theatres" ? What's the exact definition? I assume we're referring to units defined as (R) or [R], and that they must be bought out, using PPs, to an unrestricted command. I also assume that this involves some 'self-policing' & req's some strict definitions. Say I've got an Indian InfDiv that's attached to a restricted command. The game won't let me load this unit onto a TF, but I can Move or Strat-Move it to any accessible land-location. Does the HR req that this LCU must be 'bought out' before it crosses a national border? & what if that border is 'friendly' (India units moving to Burma, or Manchukuo units moving into China? I gotta admit, I don't understand this HR.
another thing is your HR wrt Night-Bombing, which I gather is still under negotiation. I got a decent idea from an AAR, that Night-bombing orders were tied to the expected moonlight. Say, if moonlight was 25%, then only a maximum of 25 night-bombers could be tasked against each target. As time goes by, increased night-bomber action could be allowed, & Allied B-29 night raids could be allowed 'unrestricted' (perhaps after their historical 1st-use).
Have a great game, I'm looking forward to reading this AAR.
I think you'll enjoy this game - DBB-B #28 is great, also the extended map & stacking limits. And you'll dig the beta, it adds good functionality to game screens.
Here's some things you might want to know:
- 2-3 useful NavSupport BaseForces in the Philippines need to evac to Darwin & Perth. In general, get your BaseForces out!
- Some several base hexes in North Oz can be bought to ABDA Command for 50-80 PP each, then KNIL airgroups can fly to them. Some several Dutch BFs are distributed amongst various islands, these guys are fragments of larger units. They can be bought out of Restricted status & evac'ed to Oz, then re-combined into respectably-sized BFs. The Dutch Navy has some several decent Aux/Support ships, including light ARD's, but they're all deadly slow & need to head South right away. You have v. limited PPs to spend, but you may find it worthwhile to spend them on rescuing Dutch BFs & airgroups, to create a DEW-line from North Oz bases.
- Review your Pearl Harbor Industry, it's likely that the shipyard took some damage on 07Dec, turn its Repair ON if needed. wrt BB Maryland, I agree w/ BBfanboy - the only thing you can do is replace her captain w/ the highest NavSkill captain you can get (high Nav gives good damage control). Leave her disbanded in port, but land her floatplanes (use the port's 'Show ships under repair' button to get to a ship's embarked airgroup, the 'Manage ships under repair' button doesn't give you access to an embarked airgroup). Your latest post indicates that she's likely not to survive, perhaps it's time to consider use of the Scuttlebutton, which will decrease (by 10%?) the amnt of VP her loss will give to your opponent.
- DBB-B#28 gives you a lot of merchies based in the DEI, no doubt lots of them are fleeing to Oz or India or Cape Town. Review all these TFs, make sure they're set to 'Do Not Refuel' when they arrive. It's going to take months to build your off-map ports to their max size & ship in the needed fuel. Meanwhile, don't let arriving refugees glom the limited fuel stocks, especially at Cape Town. Start organizing CS Convoys from USA EC and CanalZone Christobal to carry fuel to Cape Town, even if you have to use xAKs at half-load. Don't let Cape Town run dry of fuel! And also too, don't forget to refuel these merchies as they load to carry supply to on-map bases. It's really maddening to send off a TranTF from CT to Oz, then find them burning their engines out in mid-ocean when they've run out of fuel!
- in the at-start forces of DBB-B #28, there's about 20 xAPs & 6 xAKs that can convert to APA/AKA in early '42. It's fair important that you identify these ships, and only give them low-risk missions. Get them disbanded to a shipyard port in good time to start their conversions. They'll be the nucleus of an eventual hugeous fleet of Amph-capable ships, & you won't want to lose them early.
wrt your house-rules, what's the deal w/ "PPs paid to change theatres" ? What's the exact definition? I assume we're referring to units defined as (R) or [R], and that they must be bought out, using PPs, to an unrestricted command. I also assume that this involves some 'self-policing' & req's some strict definitions. Say I've got an Indian InfDiv that's attached to a restricted command. The game won't let me load this unit onto a TF, but I can Move or Strat-Move it to any accessible land-location. Does the HR req that this LCU must be 'bought out' before it crosses a national border? & what if that border is 'friendly' (India units moving to Burma, or Manchukuo units moving into China? I gotta admit, I don't understand this HR.
another thing is your HR wrt Night-Bombing, which I gather is still under negotiation. I got a decent idea from an AAR, that Night-bombing orders were tied to the expected moonlight. Say, if moonlight was 25%, then only a maximum of 25 night-bombers could be tasked against each target. As time goes by, increased night-bomber action could be allowed, & Allied B-29 night raids could be allowed 'unrestricted' (perhaps after their historical 1st-use).
Have a great game, I'm looking forward to reading this AAR.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Thanks for the great advice jmalter!
I'm doing some of the things you recommend. I'm pulling out the base force in Cebu by floatplane, and another on Mindanao. As I expect to give up North Oz, I'm not sure about spending the points for those bases. At least, not this early. Haven't finished the first week of the war yet. I've spent points on P40's and B17's in the Phillipines so far.
Good advice on the Dutch ships. I'll get the ARD's moving ASAP.
I will check Pearl Harbor shipyard damage. I did take off Maryland's float planes right away, figuring that it would give away that I lost a ship.
My Dutch merchants are helping evacuate Singapore, and hauling every drop of fuel from everywhere that I can. I am careful with refueling options, good point.
Our house rule on political points is that points have to be paid to cross a border. At least that is how I play it. I should check with my opponent. I do allow him to use Thai units in Burma, to a point, to help with garrisons.
Thanks for the input. I'm a long time (daily) reader of the forum just now learning to put a few sentences together.
I'm doing some of the things you recommend. I'm pulling out the base force in Cebu by floatplane, and another on Mindanao. As I expect to give up North Oz, I'm not sure about spending the points for those bases. At least, not this early. Haven't finished the first week of the war yet. I've spent points on P40's and B17's in the Phillipines so far.
Good advice on the Dutch ships. I'll get the ARD's moving ASAP.
I will check Pearl Harbor shipyard damage. I did take off Maryland's float planes right away, figuring that it would give away that I lost a ship.
My Dutch merchants are helping evacuate Singapore, and hauling every drop of fuel from everywhere that I can. I am careful with refueling options, good point.
Our house rule on political points is that points have to be paid to cross a border. At least that is how I play it. I should check with my opponent. I do allow him to use Thai units in Burma, to a point, to help with garrisons.
Thanks for the input. I'm a long time (daily) reader of the forum just now learning to put a few sentences together.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
12 Dec 41
BB Maryland continues to burn. SYS 63 FLT 95 ENG 22 FIRE 69. Pulled every other damaged ship out and is now in a task force. The next turn will prove that it doesn't help.
Wake in invaded. Minor damage on shipping done by the USMC guns. Nearly the whole base force had been airlifted to Midway. KB is not spotted for the first time. Wake took a 1 to 1 attack and lowered the forts to 0. Casualties are high for the Japanese, with 746, and just 146 for the US. But it will fall.
More troops landed at Naga.
Miri is invaded, with a surface group hovering to the north. British bombers from Kuching attack shipping but still no hits. Have to watch that one. It is in full speed range of Singapore and Palembang. Dutch task force was a few hexes to the west, unspotted. It will retire to Singapore for fuel and to be spotted. US task force was heading north along the west coast of Borneo. It will also retire to Singapore for the same reasons. Evacuation continues at Singapore but is winding down. Just a few units left that will be leaving. CV Kaga and most of his surface groups in the area are at or near Cam Rahn Bay for refueling and rearming.
Hong Kong gets a deliberate attack, 2 to 1 odds, fort lowered to 1. About even casualties. Just a few days left to go here.
Small armored unit takes Kweiteh in China.
Davao is attacked again, again a 1 to 1, with more Allied casualties. Same story here. Damaged xAKL flees the port, with a chance to escape now that most of the Japanese combat fleets are north of Borneo.
Japanese sub picks off an unescorted xAK at Pago attempting to deliver some supply.
BB Maryland continues to burn. SYS 63 FLT 95 ENG 22 FIRE 69. Pulled every other damaged ship out and is now in a task force. The next turn will prove that it doesn't help.
Wake in invaded. Minor damage on shipping done by the USMC guns. Nearly the whole base force had been airlifted to Midway. KB is not spotted for the first time. Wake took a 1 to 1 attack and lowered the forts to 0. Casualties are high for the Japanese, with 746, and just 146 for the US. But it will fall.
More troops landed at Naga.
Miri is invaded, with a surface group hovering to the north. British bombers from Kuching attack shipping but still no hits. Have to watch that one. It is in full speed range of Singapore and Palembang. Dutch task force was a few hexes to the west, unspotted. It will retire to Singapore for fuel and to be spotted. US task force was heading north along the west coast of Borneo. It will also retire to Singapore for the same reasons. Evacuation continues at Singapore but is winding down. Just a few units left that will be leaving. CV Kaga and most of his surface groups in the area are at or near Cam Rahn Bay for refueling and rearming.
Hong Kong gets a deliberate attack, 2 to 1 odds, fort lowered to 1. About even casualties. Just a few days left to go here.
Small armored unit takes Kweiteh in China.
Davao is attacked again, again a 1 to 1, with more Allied casualties. Same story here. Damaged xAKL flees the port, with a chance to escape now that most of the Japanese combat fleets are north of Borneo.
Japanese sub picks off an unescorted xAK at Pago attempting to deliver some supply.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
13 Dec 41
Maryland sinks... A Glen sub gets a look at the vast armada of burning ships in task forces at Pearl Harbor, and must wonder, what in the world is going on here? The ships will go back into repair. I continued to hope that there was some way to save the ship, but the combination of PH port size 7 and 500 and some naval support just couldn't control the 95 FLOT as well as the ever increasing fires. I particularly enjoy the game-within-the-game of saving damaged ships.
Subs spotted and attacked near San Francisco and at Pago Pago. No hits.
USMC guns at Wake gets a few nice hits on transport shipping. Then Wake falls.
Allied torpedo boats go into action near Naga, and are lost.
Brunei is invaded.
And worst of all, the speed bump that Naga was supposed to be, wasn't. It looked good on paper, but the poor prep, morale, and experience negates the fairly even numbers and the Phillipine units suffer a 4 to 1 defeat. Casualties are Japanese 720, 5090 Allied, with most of the squads destroyed. Now it's just a chase all the way back to Manila. The defense becomes more conventional from here out.
Davao holds with another 1 to 1 attack, but casualties are heavier for the Allies.
Miri falls.
And he gets a good look at both the Dutch and US surface combat task forces at Singapore.
Maryland sinks... A Glen sub gets a look at the vast armada of burning ships in task forces at Pearl Harbor, and must wonder, what in the world is going on here? The ships will go back into repair. I continued to hope that there was some way to save the ship, but the combination of PH port size 7 and 500 and some naval support just couldn't control the 95 FLOT as well as the ever increasing fires. I particularly enjoy the game-within-the-game of saving damaged ships.
Subs spotted and attacked near San Francisco and at Pago Pago. No hits.
USMC guns at Wake gets a few nice hits on transport shipping. Then Wake falls.
Allied torpedo boats go into action near Naga, and are lost.
Brunei is invaded.
And worst of all, the speed bump that Naga was supposed to be, wasn't. It looked good on paper, but the poor prep, morale, and experience negates the fairly even numbers and the Phillipine units suffer a 4 to 1 defeat. Casualties are Japanese 720, 5090 Allied, with most of the squads destroyed. Now it's just a chase all the way back to Manila. The defense becomes more conventional from here out.
Davao holds with another 1 to 1 attack, but casualties are heavier for the Allies.
Miri falls.
And he gets a good look at both the Dutch and US surface combat task forces at Singapore.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
Now that I've plotted my next turn, the defeat at Naga is seen to be even worse than I thought. My Phillipine units retreated to Legaspi instead of toward Manila. It won't matter much in the long run, but they are now cut off and out of supply.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
14 Dec 41
I-18 continues to hang around at Pago Pago. I have 4 DMS there on ASW, and I get a couple of minor depth charge hits. I have minelayers there, but don't want to drop mines until I have an ACM there to tend the mines. And I'm discovering there are very few of them. I've found a few YP's that can convert to ACM's, and have started on that.
Hong Kong is bombed heavily again, but only a bombardment attack this turn.
Japanese attack at 89,40 near Taiyuan, China, get an 8-1 and a big victory. Allies retreat into the mountains and hope to hold that hex.
Davao and Brunei falls.
My opponent has been very thorough on escorting his invasions with a combat task force. He is using his battleships for this, as well as crusiers and destroyers. This has left little opportunity for the US, Brit, and Dutch surface fleets to pounce on an invasion task force. I've moved around here and there, looking for an opportunity, but finding everything covered. The only present chance is in northern Malaysia, at the original invasion bases, where transport task forces appear to be uncovered. A full speed dash from Singapore could sink some ships, but he has many Bettys covering the area from Thailand, so I've decided that it just isn't worth the risk. I will keep looking though.
I-18 continues to hang around at Pago Pago. I have 4 DMS there on ASW, and I get a couple of minor depth charge hits. I have minelayers there, but don't want to drop mines until I have an ACM there to tend the mines. And I'm discovering there are very few of them. I've found a few YP's that can convert to ACM's, and have started on that.
Hong Kong is bombed heavily again, but only a bombardment attack this turn.
Japanese attack at 89,40 near Taiyuan, China, get an 8-1 and a big victory. Allies retreat into the mountains and hope to hold that hex.
Davao and Brunei falls.
My opponent has been very thorough on escorting his invasions with a combat task force. He is using his battleships for this, as well as crusiers and destroyers. This has left little opportunity for the US, Brit, and Dutch surface fleets to pounce on an invasion task force. I've moved around here and there, looking for an opportunity, but finding everything covered. The only present chance is in northern Malaysia, at the original invasion bases, where transport task forces appear to be uncovered. A full speed dash from Singapore could sink some ships, but he has many Bettys covering the area from Thailand, so I've decided that it just isn't worth the risk. I will keep looking though.
RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
I think you are mistaken about ACMs tending mines. ACM stands for Auxiliary Cruiser-Minelayer (like a CM, but generally slower), so if you check you will see that it carries mines.
AMs, and AMc are the ones that tend mines.
AMs, and AMc are the ones that tend mines.
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RE: See you in Tokyo Bay - Apbarog(A) vs Walker(J) DBB-B Scen28
From my experience as a Japanese player in the stock game, ACMs are the mine tenders, tending 150 each for the Japanese. It may be that things have changed in DBB.