Pelton(GHC) vs Saper Resigned GHC Victory T-36

[M60A3TTS]

Kiev didn't fall to the Germans in July either, but the game will support that. [;)]

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Kiev didn't fall to the Germans in July either, but the game will support that. [;)]

Hi M60 good to see your still around [;)]

[Disgruntled Veteran]

I'm kind of unsure why you seem so behind in the Center front in your games. I can usually trash the land bridge just by plowing right through it starting T2. Your T5-6 show you still behind Vitebsk and not across the River. Do you purposely not attack or have you transferred most of your divisions from Center to elsewhere?

[smokindave34]

ORIGINAL: Disgruntled Veteran

I'm kind of unsure why you seem so behind in the Center front in your games. I can usually trash the land bridge just by plowing right through it starting T2. Your T5-6 show you still behind Vitebsk and not across the River. Do you purposely not attack or have you transferred most of your divisions from Center to elsewhere?

I've played Sapper (with Sapper as Soviet) and I ran into a wall of steel on turn 2-3 at the land bridge. He effectively shuts off the landbridge until you can commit the entire 9th army to attacking it (if you choose). Very challenging.

[BJP III]

Why not shift all the AGS panzers to the North and Center (leaving maybe III PzK and the misc Hungarians and Rumanians to convert hexes and nuke the occasional speedbump)?

[Gabriel B.]

ORIGINAL: smokindave34

ORIGINAL: Disgruntled Veteran

I'm kind of unsure why you seem so behind in the Center front in your games. I can usually trash the land bridge just by plowing right through it starting T2. Your T5-6 show you still behind Vitebsk and not across the River. Do you purposely not attack or have you transferred most of your divisions from Center to elsewhere?

I've played Sapper (with Sapper as Soviet) and I ran into a wall of steel on turn 2-3 at the land bridge. He effectively shuts off the landbridge until you can commit the entire 9th army to attacking it (if you choose). Very challenging.

the infantry from 3 PzAOK and 3 AK from 9 AOK can reach Lepel by the end of turn 3 , turn 3 should be used for resting mobile units or building up.

[Gabriel B.]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Center.

There she blows the +50c CV Wall of Steel at the Land Bridge

It is easy to have that in place even by turn 4 .

The Bogusev hex stack usualy has -

8 cv tank unit from the south .
4 cv infantry unit .
3 cv mountain unit .


the defenders of ORSHA however look impresive... fog of war perhaps ?

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Gabriel B.

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Center.

There she blows the +50c CV Wall of Steel at the Land Bridge

It is easy to have that in place even by turn 4 .

The Bogusev hex stack usualy has -

8 cv tank unit from the south .
4 cv infantry unit .
3 cv mountain unit .


the defenders of ORSHA however look impresive... fog of war perhaps ?

Saper is smarter then everyone else end of story.

He can make 30 - 50 CV stacks between 20-30 of them and during the August ToE changes the numbers do not drop off at all unlike everyone esles.

How he does it only he knows as even the testers seem cluelessas to how he does it.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: Disgruntled Veteran

I'm kind of unsure why you seem so behind in the Center front in your games. I can usually trash the land bridge just by plowing right through it starting T2. Your T5-6 show you still behind Vitebsk and not across the River. Do you purposely not attack or have you transferred most of your divisions from Center to elsewhere?

Play someone with skills, Bomazz,Katza,MT,Sapper,TDV ect ect

Before 1.08 NO ONE cracked the WoS or took Leningrad NO ONE.

Your tanks would simply die and be lucky to take a few hexes.

1.08 really really slows down panzers, HQBU is about usless after turn 4. MP's are limited to 30ish even close to railheads so mega pockets are off the table.

You are going to see very low KIA for SHC now.

If your playing with 1v1=2v1 your toast vs a skilled SHC player

[Peltonx]

Turn 7 GHC Armaments: 80,000 VP: 174


Armament Pts Locked= Destroyed = 23
Heavy Industry Locked= Destroyed = 27
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Total dead: 1,070,000 Russian losses this turn: 45,000
Russian OOB: 4,416,000
A net gain of: +171,000
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,461,000 ——- Ready Rifle Squads:
GHC net OOB change: +10,000

Air War

Ratio last turn: 7 : 1

GHC loses: 96
SHC loses: 681

Total GHC loses: 630
Total SHC loses: 6198

Total GHC Planes: 3106
Total SHC Planes: 5699


Attacks won lost this turn
SHC------ 0--------1
Total
SHC------8--------9
HQBU’s

This turn; 0
Total to date: 5

AGN keeps pushing for Leningrad and the stacks remain in the high 20's to 40's.

Tester make a claim that because of ToE changes to SHC rifle squads that these stacks should weaken, but we are on turn 11 and these claims are simply old wives tales as far as Saper is conserned.

The CV values over have gone up not down.

[Peltonx]

AGC I push around the Land Bridge. Saper is now with drawing a few hexes a turn with his main forses and then screen with 3-5 CV units.

I can not leave a single unit in open terrain or they will be counter attacked and driven back, so I can not do anything foolish.

My Panzer and infantry divisions remain at 95+% ToE as the fighting is lt still.

Easy wins for both side when we can get them

[Peltonx]

AGS slowly advances. Panzer MP's remain BS even after sitting for a turn unlike 1.07. They will sit at 30-35 and even with HQBU you get no bump.
The ONLY way to increase MP's is with fuel drops to MoT divisions tanks are pulled by horses now seemingly.

VS Saper in slow tanks not 3x stacked get pushed back so I can't do stupid crap with them no pocket can stay sealed so I will simply use them to flip hexes.

Boring chess match so far.

[Balou]

Whats this chain of units along the rail to Kirovograd ? RR protection ? Supply issues ?

[morvael]

They seem to be mostly Rumanians with some Hungarians, Italians and LW mixed in.

edit: Maybe they are protecting rail line from partisans while sitting in refit mode at the same time.

[carlkay58]

Pelton, are you using the advanced CV feature? I have been trying to duplicate Sapper's CV stacks and I am having problems but then realized that I do not play with the new CV calculations and that may be the problem at my end.

[morvael]

They are playing Alt VC, not Alt CV

[Peltonx]

morvael has it right.

[Peltonx]

Turn 8 GHC Armaments: 80,000 VP: 178


Armament Pts Locked= Destroyed = 23
Heavy Industry Locked= Destroyed = 27
Manpower Pts over run during 1942 =
Russian Units Destroyed after November 1st 1941
Corp:
Divisions:
Brigades:
SU:
AP total:
Total dead: 1,160,000 Russian losses this turn: 90,000
Russian OOB: 4,585,000
A net gain of: +169,000
Russian units currently in a pocket:
GHC OOB: 3,447,000 ——- Ready Rifle Squads:
GHC net OOB change: -14,000

Air War

Ratio last turn: 6 : 1

GHC loses: 92
SHC loses: 590

Total GHC loses: 722
Total SHC loses: 6788

Total GHC Planes: 3055 -51
Total SHC Planes: 5580 -119


Attacks won lost this turn
SHC------ 10--------1
Total
SHC------26--------11
HQBU’s

This turn; 4
Total to date: 9

AGN pushes a few hexes closer to Leningrad and hopefully is keeping SHC best troops in the area.

[Peltonx]

AGC

[Peltonx]

AGS