Greyjoy(J) vs. Obvert(A) - The air war in China- DBB, SLs, PDU OFF

[Yaab]

We will stop them at Umboi Island, the graveyard of the US Navy. The Dardanelles of the Solomons!

[GreyJoy]

May 1-5, 1943

So, the allies in India have reached the plains of Dacca, pretty close to my Dimampur line. I need to hold here untill i get to Paoshan, while the enemy has started to sweep with P-38s my advanced air bases, getting a solid 2-1 in his favour. I know this positionof mine ins't strong, but hopefully i won't be forced to hold on here for too long. I have a plan for Paoshang pocket, now defended by 40,000 allies (chinese and british) sitting in a perimeter of 2 hexes and defended by an heavy CAP of 90 fighters.
Over Chungking is taking place a war of attrition, with the japanese taking twice the losses of the enemies. Don't know if i will ever be able to reduce his CAP...

This, for example, is what happened on the 3rd of May...


Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 26 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 40

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 48
F6F-3 Hellcat x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x A6M5 Zero sweeping at 25000 feet

CAP engaged:
VF-6 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 7 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 5 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 5 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 4 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 26,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 37

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 41
F6F-3 Hellcat x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet


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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 37

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 28
F6F-3 Hellcat x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet


And this on the 4th...

Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 28,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 25

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 44
F6F-3 Hellcat x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
VF-6 with F6F-3 Hellcat (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 4 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
343rd FG/11th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
23rd FG/76th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 25000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes



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Morning Air attack on Chungking , at 76,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 39 NM, estimated altitude 29,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 38

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 33
F6F-3 Hellcat x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet
3 x Ki-44-IIc Tojo sweeping at 25000 feet




In the Marshalls, here's what Mili is now suffering...


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Night Naval bombardment of Mili at 136,121 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

285 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Salt Lake City, Shell hits 8
CA Pensacola, Shell hits 2
CA Northampton, Shell hits 10
CL Nashville
DD Saufley
DD Radford
DD DeHaven
DD Chevalier
DD Abbot
DD Fletcher

Japanese ground losses:
530 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Guns lost 35 (3 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6
Port hits 10
Port supply hits 1

SOC-1 Seagull acting as spotter for CA Salt Lake City
CA Salt Lake City firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at CA Salt Lake City
CA Pensacola firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at CA Pensacola
CA Northampton firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at CA Northampton
CL Nashville firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at CL Nashville
DD Saufley firing at Mili
DD Radford firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Radford
DD DeHaven firing at Mili
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Chevalier
DD Chevalier firing at Mili Naval Fortress
DD Abbot firing at Sasebo 6th SNLF
DD Fletcher firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Fletcher


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Night Naval bombardment of Mili at 136,121 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

74 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Quincy
CA San Francisco
DD Henley, Shell hits 1
DD Ralph Talbot
DD Mugford
DD Helm, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Bagley
DD Stanly

Japanese ground losses:
128 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 12 (7 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Runway hits 3
Port hits 5

CA Quincy firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at CA Quincy
CA San Francisco firing at Mili Naval Fortress
DD Henley firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Henley
DD Ralph Talbot firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Ralph Talbot
DD Mugford firing at Mili
DD Helm firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Helm
DD Bagley firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Bagley
DD Stanly firing at Mili Naval Fortress
Mili Naval Fortress firing at DD Stanly



Almost on daily basis....

[ny59giants]

Chungking - Can you add in some LRCAP to supplement your sweeps?? From your examples you are also losing the numbers game each time. As Allies I try to get more planes over base for each air phase.

Mili - If you have some fuel there, can you use your I-boats to drop off some mini-subs?? Just a TT hit or two on a CA would help slow him down.

[GreyJoy]

Micheal, i've tried to LRCAP and i tried to have more groups, but i only have 4 groups of Tojos available. The rest is crap. I've tried to use all four of them at the same time and didn't work. I tried to alternate them and didn't work.
Today i tried to add KI-43 IIIa and A6M5c in the mix...and the results were even worse (43 to 5 in his favour[X(])...
He added anther hellcats group in the mix, coming from the CVs...they simply spanked my butt out of the blue.

The good news come from Paoshan. The chinese army is pushed back into the city which is now overstacked. I'll shock attack tomorrow with a good guards division and then i'll switch in the tank divisions... should work.

For Chungking the plan needs to be changed.

The allies land at Buka, behind our fortresses at Bouganville... that's a problem, obviously

B17s started to visit Horn Island...

Allied fighters are massing at Geralton....

Enemies everywhere around me....

God be good with us

[MrKane]

I am sure you already know this but just in case. Nicola, to get number advantage over sky during your sweep you need set fast a/c (cruise speed) to LRCAP at max alt. Sweep fighters should be the ones with lower cruise speed(in your case A6M5), you want LRCAP be already in hex when sweepers will arrive. From my experience sometimes it is good to set sweep 5k lower than LRCAP. Defenders are always are trying to get over incoming raid, this should provide "dive" opportunity for yours LRCAP flaying higher.

PS:
I had a lot of problems and I lost many P-47 to N1K1-J in my game vs Spidery, until I have started using this tactic. My P-47 most of case are doing as high cover for sweeping F6F now. Well it works for me, maybe it will work for you either.

[GreyJoy]

Thanks Tom!
I will try that tactic i didn't know!

Had to stop at Chungking now. A couple of days of rest and recon says he has brought there already 130 fighters! Gosh!

At the same time, the allies are attacking the Marshalls... a surprise paradrop attack at Majuro... repulsed!

We shock at Paoshan, crossing the river... he must be realy overstacking there now...forts don't go down, but losses on my side are minimal...

Buka invasion is repulsed...for the moment...



May 07, 43

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Night Naval bombardment of Majuro at 136,119

Allied Ships
DD Philip
DD LaVallette

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

DD Philip firing at Majuro Base Force
DD LaVallette firing at Majuro


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Night Naval bombardment of Majuro at 136,119

Allied Ships
DD Carmick
DD Laffey
DD Aaron Ward

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Port hits 6

DD Carmick firing at Majuro Base Force
DD Laffey firing at Majuro Base Force
DD Aaron Ward firing at Majuro


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Morning Air attack on 47th Naval Guard Unit, at 136,119 (Majuro)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Allied aircraft
Mitchell II x 15
B-25D1 Mitchell x 3
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
150 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Mitchell II bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on 47th Naval Guard Unit, at 136,119 (Majuro)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-25D1 Mitchell x 11
F4F-4 Wildcat x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
65 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-25D1 Mitchell bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 14196 troops, 145 guns, 126 vehicles, Assault Value = 464

Defending force 27054 troops, 128 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 702

Japanese adjusted assault: 230

Allied adjusted defense: 943

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
395 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1384 casualties reported
Squads: 41 destroyed, 74 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)
Units destroyed 2

Assaulting units:
22nd Tank Regiment
6th Guards Division
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
15th Army
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion
9th RF Gun Battalion

Defending units:
200th Chinese Division
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
39th Indian Division
2nd Reserve Division
55th Prov Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
93rd Chinese Division
49th Chinese Corps
56th Chinese Corps
Lusu War Area
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
103rd RN Base Force
5th New Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Base Force
Fourteenth USAAF
104th RAF Base Force
11th Group Army
33rd Base Group
62nd Chinese Corps
34th Chinese Corps
49th Chinese Division
32nd Chinese Corps
72nd Chinese Corps
5th Group Army
16th Chinese Base Force


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Ground combat at Buka (109,128)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1444 troops, 3 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Defending force 203 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 9

Japanese adjusted assault: 21

Allied adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 21 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
223 casualties reported
Squads: 11 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
3rd Raiding Regiment
61st Nav Gd /2
18th Garrison Unit /8

Defending units:
2/8th Ind Coy




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Ground combat at Majuro (136,119)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 480 troops, 8 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36

Defending force 2421 troops, 21 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 63

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 38

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
269 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
503rd Parachute Rgt /1

Defending units:
47th Naval Guard Unit
Majuro Base Force


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Allied Unit(s) Wiped Out at Majuro by attrition!!!!!!

[GreyJoy]

Sorry for the lack of updates...a bad flu struk in right when i was overwhelmed with work...oh well

May 8-11, 1943

Things don't look good.

Over Chungking we had to stop any flight. Too many losses. Nowhere near close to achieve the air superiority.
We pushed the chinese army back into Paoshan, forcing them to overstack. I thought this would cause the enemy's resitance to collapse...wrong. For some reason he's able to keep his supplies and even flying a massive CAP over the city...tried to sweep... no joy. 3-1 in his favour.
Shock attack... no joy.
Deliberate attack... a 1-83 odds in his favour[X(]

At the very same time, he landed at Mili.
Massive BB bombardments.
Massive Air bombings.
The Marines landed. Our CD guns were detroyed.
Not a single sub shot...2 subs lost.
Betties escorted by Zeros flew. None but 3 got back. 67 planes lost. No hits.
The Marines shock attacked and achieved immediately a 1-1, downing the forts to 2...
The next day Tanaka with his cruiser division attacked. Found empty waves.
3 DDs remained in the middle of the ocean when the air phase begun. All sunk by SDBs from Tarawa.

The allies sent 30 B17s over Horn Island, with F4F4s on LRCAP. I moved 40 A6M5s there on CAP, hoping to ambush them. no joy. The Wildcats performed very well and shot down 15 of my fighters. Only 2 B17s downed.


The grip on this war is slipping from my hands. Don't seem to be able to do anything that hurts him.

Allies tanks are approaching our Dimampur defensive line....and Paoshan is still holding strong... DAMN!

[witpqs]

Sorry to hear that. You must still be recovering? Rest, liquids, AE, and so on!

[Lokasenna]

Man, when I'm sick, all I do is play computer games. Never feel like doing anything else.

[Lowpe]

Oh, boy![:-]

You are in great shape compared to many, many Japanese games. Sharpen your bayonet!

[ny59giants]

Following a friend's advice, I took 2000mg of vitamin C three times per day. It knocked out the cold very quickly. Since I have high blood pressure I could not take any of the over the counter (OTC) medications as most raise my blood pressure.

Back to the war....I don't know what you are going to do when the P-47s arrive in July.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Back to the war....I don't know what you are going to do when the P-47s arrive in July.

Way to cheer him up.[:D]

At least they aren't that long legged yet....but he will do what every other Japanese players does. Avoid them or die.[X(]

[GreyJoy]

I couldn't stay at home resting, so i had to go to the office and to the Court...but i'm getting already better, taking some vitamis and paracetamol (sp!?).
It wasn't the temperature...it was the vomit who really killed me the other day!


Back to the war...

Yes, P47s will be a nightmare, i know. At least in june i'll be getting the KI-84a that will be available for four sentais...not that bad...even if obviously i will have to counter the P-47 with numbers...and in PDU OFF i won't have superior numbers of good planes.
His Hellcats are already outclassing my KI-44 IIc, which is the best plane i have right now. The only frame which is superior is the N1K1, but i only have one tiny sentai that can be equipped with this beauty...Even the KI-84a will be present at max with 150 planes on the map...not enough to really change the balance of the air war... The Navy can't compete: the A6M8 or the A6M5c cannot stand against the Hellcat nor the P-40Ks as i have discovered at Chungking.

Willbe tough

Gotta simply hold on i guess and buy time...

[MrKane]

Well, you should remember that with P-47 he will meet exactly the same problem like you in case of N1K1.
Half a/c will arrive in low experience FG on east cost. Production will allow him to upgrade only 1 - 2 FG until end of year.

[veji1]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I couldn't stay at home resting, so i had to go to the office and to the Court...but i'm getting already better, taking some vitamis and paracetamol (sp!?).
It wasn't the temperature...it was the vomit who really killed me the other day!


Back to the war...

Yes, P47s will be a nightmare, i know. At least in june i'll be getting the KI-84a that will be available for four sentais...not that bad...even if obviously i will have to counter the P-47 with numbers...and in PDU OFF i won't have superior numbers of good planes.
His Hellcats are already outclassing my KI-44 IIc, which is the best plane i have right now. The only frame which is superior is the N1K1, but i only have one tiny sentai that can be equipped with this beauty...Even the KI-84a will be present at max with 150 planes on the map...not enough to really change the balance of the air war... The Navy can't compete: the A6M8 or the A6M5c cannot stand against the Hellcat nor the P-40Ks as i have discovered at Chungking.

Willbe tough

Gotta simply hold on i guess and buy time...

And hold on while finding a way not to waste your best pilots. Right now the n°1 priority is finishing that bit of China. All the rest is secondary.

[JohnDillworth]

So if he is using carrier based Hellcat squadrons in China it probably means he has no plans for a carrier battle in the near future. Is there anything you can do with the KB that would cause trouble because it doesn't seem he is serious about opposing it right now

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Following a friend's advice, I took 2000mg of vitamin C three times per day. It knocked out the cold very quickly. Since I have high blood pressure I could not take any of the over the counter (OTC) medications as most raise my blood pressure.

Back to the war....I don't know what you are going to do when the P-47s arrive in July.

I think you also pissed out several grams of vitamin C per day also [:D]. http://www.mayoclinic.org/healthy-livin ... q-20058030

PS - kidney stones hurt like a .....

ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

So if he is using carrier based Hellcat squadrons in China it probably means he has no plans for a carrier battle in the near future. Is there anything you can do with the KB that would cause trouble because it doesn't seem he is serious about opposing it right now

I forget if Obvert's lost any CVs thus far, but it's also entirely possible that he's staffing his CVs with other units. At this point, several VF units have arrived that aren't attached to carriers or are on CVEs, and can be resized on the fleet CVs. It takes a bit of micro management, but it can be done to the Allied player's advantage (not having to wait for 1944 to get 40-plane fighter units, for example).

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: MrKane

Well, you should remember that with P-47 he will meet exactly the same problem like you in case of N1K1.
Half a/c will arrive in low experience FG on east cost. Production will allow him to upgrade only 1 - 2 FG until end of year.

He can easily swap out pilots, though.

IIRC those first 3 units of the P-47D2 arrive with 55 Exp/55 Air skill pilots. Which is average but not great... by the time they reach the front lines, they could be up to 60 Exp/70 Air with ease. I think they also have 50s Defense skill, so not too much work to get that to 60+ either.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: MrKane

Well, you should remember that with P-47 he will meet exactly the same problem like you in case of N1K1.
Half a/c will arrive in low experience FG on east cost. Production will allow him to upgrade only 1 - 2 FG until end of year.

He can easily swap out pilots, though.

IIRC those first 3 units of the P-47D2 arrive with 55 Exp/55 Air skill pilots. Which is average but not great... by the time they reach the front lines, they could be up to 60 Exp/70 Air with ease. I think they also have 50s Defense skill, so not too much work to get that to 60+ either.

Ha,ha, after two sweeps they will be 70+! Jugs pilots don't die, unless they are like in the 20's in air to air skill and experience.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: MrKane

Well, you should remember that with P-47 he will meet exactly the same problem like you in case of N1K1.
Half a/c will arrive in low experience FG on east cost. Production will allow him to upgrade only 1 - 2 FG until end of year.

He can easily swap out pilots, though.

IIRC those first 3 units of the P-47D2 arrive with 55 Exp/55 Air skill pilots. Which is average but not great... by the time they reach the front lines, they could be up to 60 Exp/70 Air with ease. I think they also have 50s Defense skill, so not too much work to get that to 60+ either.

Ha,ha, after two sweeps they will be 70+! Jugs pilots don't die, unless they are like in the 20's in air to air skill and experience.

I bet they would if they were set down low... but maybe not.