::Felix, Ferdinand and FRUPAC:: obvert (A) v Greyjoy (J)

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Absolutely criminal of him to leave Wenchow in your hands in 1943... [:-]

I can see how one would think so. It would take a similar kind of effort that some other bases in x3 would take, and in the grand scheme, as long as it's subdued by some frequent attention, it should be no more than a pinprick if I use it. Supply shortages mean any bombing from here would be at half load and I can't get to the HI either with the yellow flag flying. So it provided a nice surprise, but nothing major.

Nick is very focused on the mountains and it's a long way to transfer the 3-4 divisions it might take to get this base. Is it more important than getting troops to the Marianas and Java and the Kuriles?

I don't see it as high on his lists, but again I'm not complaining that I've still got it. [:)]

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OT

OMG!!!

Why go away from beast mode on the half yard line in the last minute of the Super Bowl?!?!?![:(][&:][:-]

[witpqs]

Because, they know that you know that they know that you know that they will go with beast mode. And you will certainly have your best counter action slamming into them. So they outsmart you. Hah!

[SqzMyLemon]

The planets have realigned and all is right in the universe once again. Regardless of the play call, it was a game for the ages and forgotten in the furor is the fact that a rookie made the play of his career that sealed the win for his team when it was on the line.

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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon


The planets have realigned and all is right in the universe once again. Regardless of the play call, it was a game for the ages and forgotten in the furor is the fact that a rookie made the play of his career that sealed the win for his team when it was on the line.

On this we'll have to disagree. There is nothing okay about the coaching decision to not run Marshawn Lynch (or anyone else) from the 1 yard line on second down with 30 seconds left in the Superbowl.

The only thing good about this situation were Lynch's comment after the game.

Marshawn Lynch asked if he's surprised he didn't get the football. Says "No." I ask him, Why not? Says, "Because football is a team sport."

[witpqs]

If they ran and got stacked up and fumbled in the low-down semi-brawl at the 3/4 yard line, millions of people would be criticizing them for being too predictable. I don't fault the call.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

If they ran and got stacked up and fumbled in the low-down semi-brawl at the 3/4 yard line, millions of people would be criticizing them for being too predictable. I don't fault the call.

They might fault the running play, but not the call to run the ball. There is no way to fault that call. [:)]

[witpqs]

Oh, believe me, plenty of people would.

Me, I'm rather disappointed with the (lack of) wardrobe malfunction situation in the half-time show! [:D]

[JocMeister]

ORIGINAL: witpqs
Me, I'm rather disappointed with the (lack of) wardrobe malfunction situation in the half-time show! [:D]

[:D]

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: witpqs

If they ran and got stacked up and fumbled in the low-down semi-brawl at the 3/4 yard line, millions of people would be criticizing them for being too predictable. I don't fault the call.

They might fault the running play, but not the call to run the ball. There is no way to fault that call. [:)]

I'm with you. They had a timeout to burn, too. Even if you know that they know that you know that they know.... you still have to try it. Maybe not with Lynch, but a running play of some kind. You only need 1 yard... basically, you've got 2 chances at it (if not 3, if you're quick or throw it incomplete) and not running it when you've got a timeout to stop the clock if you fail is a little boneheaded.

That said, the pass still almost worked - Wilson basically threw it about 12 inches too far in front of his receiver. If the throw had been on (and nobody throws it spot on 100% of the time), that might've been a TD.

[Panther Bait]

Actually I think Wilson's throw was pretty good. Butler just had such a head of steam going that he basically slammed the receiver out of the way to get the ball.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Panther Bait

Actually I think Wilson's throw was pretty good. Butler just had such a head of steam going that he basically slammed the receiver out of the way to get the ball.

It was good enough if Butler hadn't been there to intercept, yeah. The receiver would have caught it, but with his arms fully extended in front of him. Risky spot to catch the ball.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Panther Bait

Actually I think Wilson's throw was pretty good. Butler just had such a head of steam going that he basically slammed the receiver out of the way to get the ball.

Lockette also looked like he was coasting past, not moving with speed and force to push across the line. Just gliding, which is why Butler knocked him down so hard. If that's Edelman; touchdown.

Friends and I were talking about receivers. That must have been the least accomplished group of receivers across both teams in the history of the Superbowl. Seattle screwed themselves letting Tate go. Edelman is a rising star, but the others are all journeymen who might not even play on some teams, let alone start.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Oh, believe me, plenty of people would.

Me, I'm rather disappointed with the (lack of) wardrobe malfunction situation in the half-time show! [:D]

Most of what Katy Perry wore looked like a malfunction. How about that bag/jersey during the Missy set, (which was an awesome throwback moment).

I have to say though there is something about her voice that gets me, the only one of the pop divas that I think is making actually decent music. For cheesy pop, that is.

[witpqs]

In Partial Defense of the Seahawks’ Play Calling

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[font="Times New Roman"]May 18 - 19, 1943[/font]

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[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SUBS: [/font] Peto gets crushed in the shallows, but with only 50 float damage should get to Perth. Trusty hits an E and sinks her in a big AO TF. Nice, but nicer would have been an oiler.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]INDIA: [/font]Big 4E strikes at Dimapur finally fly and hit a lot of A6M variants not the ground. Looks like these may be casualties from the Paoshan battles not yet repaired. That battle keeps on giving! Unfortunately on the 19th no strikes fly to get the dozen reported still in base.

Tried a DA at Silchar but even with a massive advantage in numbers and (supposed) quality we can't make a dent in the single Japanese division here. Really disappointing to get a 1:7 with greater casualties on our side. Forts are only at 3 here and don't get lowered either. Huh.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CENT PAC: [/font] Bombing at Mili is really starting to have some effect. No flak now and lots of infantry squads disabled. Once they start being destroyed I'll hopefully be ready for another attack.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]SW PAC: [/font] The PM invasion gets to a day away when I notice an apparent CV TF to the West in the Arafura Sea. I pull it all back into the shadows and change tack. I sent CLs into Horn Island to bombard, then bombed with 4Es in case he made a big run to get to PM so there would be no LBA support. Then I stacked 100 DBs and 120 escorts into a now level 6 Portland Roads. Subs and PTs filled the gaps around Horn Is. Lots of search went to nearby bases and everything else in the area went turlte.

The IJN stayed back but a SCTF did move into the Carpenteria, just not into range. So we could have landed easily. Now I'll have to try to sneak back in. I'll give it a day or two, and hopefully the shift in focus makes him think Horn was the real target.

[font="Microsoft Sans Serif"]CHINA: [/font] The troops at Paoshan hold well again, getting a 1:2 with about even losses.

Near Chungking our small army also does well, the AT guns seemingly having some effect with 50+ vehicles disabled.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 18, 43
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Morning Air attack on Dimapur , at 62,38

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
P-43A-1 Lancer x 4
Liberator II x 12
B-17E Fortress x 12
B-17F Fortress x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 20
P-40K Warhawk x 12

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5 Zero: 6 destroyed on ground
A6M5c Zero: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator II: 1 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 2 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 15
Runway hits 35

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Liberator II bombing from 10000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at 75,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 23940 troops, 346 guns, 1209 vehicles, Assault Value = 922

Defending force 37325 troops, 136 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1135

Japanese adjusted assault: 534

Allied adjusted defense: 1372

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
713 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 29 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 56 (2 destroyed, 54 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
961 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 69 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 15 (1 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Assaulting units:
9th Tank Regiment
4th Tank Regiment
1st Tank Division
19th Tank Regiment
3rd Tank Regiment
39th Division
23rd Tank Regiment
7th Ind.Tank Brigade
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
12th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
12th Army
1st Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
Tonei Hvy Gun Regiment
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
2nd Hvy.Artillery Regiment
11th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
5th Medium Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
99th Chinese Corps
37th Chinese Corps
1st New Chinese Corps

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Ground combat at Paoshan (65,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14824 troops, 214 guns, 550 vehicles, Assault Value = 570

Defending force 18620 troops, 104 guns, 99 vehicles, Assault Value = 360

Japanese adjusted assault: 444

Allied adjusted defense: 523

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
638 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 57 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Allied ground losses:
467 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 52 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Assaulting units:
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Tank Regiment
Guards Tank Division
23rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
13th Ind.Art.Mortar Battalion
21st Medium Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
39th Indian Division
3rd Chinese Cavalry Corps
16th Indian Bde /1
103rd RN Base Force /1
34th Chinese Corps
13th Chinese Base Force
72nd Chinese Corps
10th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
32nd Chinese Corps
62nd Chinese Corps
1st Burma Auxiliary AA Regiment
56th Chinese Corps
Fourteenth USAAF
33rd Base Group
11th Group Army
104th RAF Base Force /2

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 19, 43
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Night Air attack on Mandalay , at 59,46

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 34

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 8

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 7 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 8000 feet
Airfield Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Naval bombardment of Horn Island at 91,128 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
E13A1 Jake: 3 damaged

43 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CL Montpelier, Shell hits 2
CL Denver, Shell hits 1
CL Cleveland

Japanese ground losses:
459 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 14 (1 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Airbase hits 9
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 50
Port hits 9
Port supply hits 6

3rd Special Base Force firing at CL Montpelier
CL Montpelier firing at 3rd Special Base Force

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Morning Air attack on Horn Island , at 91,128

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 35

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 13

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B-17E Fortress bombing from 15000 feet
Airfield Attack: 8 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Dimapur (62,38)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 45937 troops, 727 guns, 829 vehicles, Assault Value = 1560

Defending force 55540 troops, 609 guns, 350 vehicles, Assault Value = 1355

Japanese ground losses:
47 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
123 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Marine Division
7th Australian Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
50th Tank Brigade
9th Australian Division
6th Medium Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
98th Field Artillery Battalion
17th Indian Light AA Regiment
183rd Field Artillery Battalion
1st West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Division
Yangtze SNLF
21st Division
55th Division
2nd RF Gun Battalion
51st Air Defense AA Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
18th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
51st Air Defense AA Battalion
11th JNAF AF Unit
44th Ind.AA Gun Co
52nd JNAF AF Unit
2nd Area Army
3rd Air Division
6th Air Defense AA Regiment
36th Field AA Battalion
31st Ind.AA Gun Co
12th Ind. AA Battalion
3rd JAAF AF Bn
1st Art.Mortar Regiment
8th JAAF Base Force
44th Field AA Battalion
94th JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Silchar (59,39)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 41306 troops, 638 guns, 559 vehicles, Assault Value = 1596

Defending force 15689 troops, 237 guns, 107 vehicles, Assault Value = 455

Allied adjusted assault: 663

Japanese adjusted defense: 4851

Allied assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
343 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 46 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 58 (9 destroyed, 49 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
638 casualties reported
Squads: 6 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Guns lost 28 (2 destroyed, 26 disabled)
Vehicles lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
268th Motorised Brigade
6th Australian Division
23rd Indian Division
70th British Division
26th Indian Division
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
56th Heavy AA Regiment
198th Field Artillery Battalion
2nd West African AA Regiment

Defending units:
48th Division
54th Field AA Battalion
35th Fld AA Gun Co
3rd Medium Field Artillery Regiment
2nd Air Defense AA Regiment
34th Ind.AA Gun Co

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[font="Trebuchet MS"]Here is the scene after the 18th when I decided to switch to focus on Horn. I had hoped he'd come light and we'd get a shot, but we both waited this turn, so we'll see how the next days play out. I'll keep trying to change up looks to get him questioning the real target. [/font]

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[font="Times New Roman"]Air Losses[/font]

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I know airframes are not the choke point for the Japanese, but it still can't be good for them to lose these kinds of numbers on a regular basis.

[ny59giants]

Horn Island - You may have cut off part of the Combat Report, but did your CLs have night time recon set for the base?? Usually that shows up near the top of that part of CR.

Normanton to Mornington Island to Groote Eylandt - I moved some APDs (4 to 6) by Horn to Normanton and then used supplies to purchase barges to move forward. Even the short endurance ones can move fuel to Mornington to allow further advances. It may just be a side show, but it allows you to progress.

[Lowpe]

I have twice those losses, Japan can easily absorb those. The problem might be with pilot losses.
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[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: obvert

[font="Times New Roman"]Air Losses[/font]

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I know airframes are not the choke point for the Japanese, but it still can't be good for them to lose these kinds of numbers on a regular basis.

You have to look at the long view. To replace an air frame cost supply. Something that is not infinite for Japan. GJ has spent a lot of resources fighting in China and India. It is hard to say how this will affect him come 1/45 but I know in my completed campaign, my opponent gave up in 8/45 because he had nothing left. I don't think enough Allied players play the game with the long term in view. Japanese players too for that matter.