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24 October 1942

Well the big raid hit Cocanada. Unfortunately, CF had two squadrons worth of Tojos providing CAP. The Wellingtons took the biggest hit. Apparently the USAAF fighters at Hyderabad saw escort duty as beneath their status. I've set up 5 squadrons to sweep next turn.

On the good side, I took care of the sub pest near Karachi, which sunk my AMC.
Submarine attack near Karachi at 39,8

Japanese Ships
SS I-165, hits 17, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Nepal
KV Auricula
AKV Malancha
xAP Tawali
xAP Felix Roussel
xAP Jehangir
xAP Arundel Castle
xAK Clan Macindoe
DD Hotspur
DD Nizam
CA Hawkins

SS I-165 is sighted by escort
DD Hotspur attacking submerged sub ....
DD Nizam attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-165 forced to surface!
DD Nizam firing on surfaced sub ....
CA Hawkins firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Hotspur firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nizam firing on surfaced sub ....
CA Hawkins firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Hotspur firing on surfaced sub ....
CA Hawkins firing on surfaced sub ....
CA Hawkins firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Hotspur firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Nizam firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

I got two hard depth charge hits, and one of the following soft hits forced him to surface, which sealed the deal.

The transports are unloading now. I had to break them up to allow some to dock. I forgot to this turn, but when they're out, I'll provide an India OOB, along with IJA strongpoints.

I lost sight of the cruiser force near Baker Island.
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25 October 1942

Rust is showing on my invasion tactics. To start off, intel sucked. Three days of PBY recon over Baker Is indicated nobody there. I had decent support fire from the accompanying battleships, but what was there was too much for the three USMC para battalions.
Ground combat at Baker Island (149,136)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 2133 troops, 34 guns, 28 vehicles, Assault Value = 64

Defending force 2059 troops, 19 guns, 2 vehicles, Assault Value = 57

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 44

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), supply(-)

Japanese ground losses:
138 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 5 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1003 casualties reported
Squads: 38 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Parachute Battalion
2nd USMC Parachute Battalion
3rd USMC Parachute Battalion
30th Field Artillery Regiment

Defending units:
Maizuru 1st SNLF
44th Field Const Co

Combat engineers would probably help, too.

Zekes showed up at Katherine when my B-17s showed up. No losses by me, but damage inflicted was minimal.
Morning Air attack on Katherine , at 76,128

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17F Fortress x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
B-17F Fortress: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Airfield Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb
10 x B-17F Fortress bombing from 10000 feet *
Ground Attack: 4 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Chitose Ku S-1 with A6M3a Zero (11 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Also attacking 1st/A Division ...
Also attacking Katherine ...
Also attacking 8th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking Katherine ...
Also attacking 1st/A Division ...

Here's what I have in India: This isn't counting all the various battalions I have scattered around for garrison duty, nor the several artillery units. Those range from the Indian mountain guns up to some of the good heavy stuff.

11th Indian Div - Karachi - 50% strength
USA 40th Inf Div - Enroute from Karachi to Warangal
112th Cav Rgt - Enroute from Karachi to Warangal
22nd USMC Rgt - Enroute from Karachi to Warangal

14th Indian Div - Jodphur - 1/3 strength
19th Indian Div - Jodphur - 1/7 strength
2nd Hyder Lancers Rgt - Jodphur - Humber armored cars

16th Light Cav Rgt - Jubbulpore - Mix of armored cars

USA 27th Inf Div - Warangal
3rd USMC Div - Warangal
7th Indian Div - Warangal
268th Motorized Bgd - Warangal


20th Indian Div - Cocanada
255th Arm Bgd - Cocanada - Improvised AFVs and about 1/6 Valentines
16th UK Div - Cocanada - 90% strength
23rd Indian Div - Cocanada - 50% strength
2nd UK Division - Cocanada - 85% strength
26th Indian Bgd - Cocanada - 20% strength

77th LRP Bgd - Madras
11th LRP Bgd - Madras
25th Indian Div - Madras - 66% strength
267th UK Arm Bgd - Madras - 50% - Stuarts/Vickers
73rd Mot Bgd - Madras - 90% strength

41st USA Inf Div - Enroute form Cape Town to Karachi - 3 weeks
129th USA Inf Rgt - Enroute form Cape Town to Karachi - 3 weeks

I forgot to get a good read of enemy strength, but going from memory: Benares, Raipur and Cocanada all have around 20,000 troops each.

The troops heading for Warangal are just going there for now, until I get every one organized. I don't really want to take the coastal route, due to his battleship visits. I'm favoring a move south from Delhi right now.
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How were you using the USMC Para units? Doesn't seem like it was an airdrop. Either way to retake Baker you're going to need a more deliberate invasion with full prep and larger LCUs that are better equipped for this sort of fighting. Using para units in this role is kind of a waste given their unique ability to invade with air transports or SSTs. I'm thinking along the lines of a Marine regiment with a tank battalion for support. That plus some heavier BB bombardment should probably do the job; your last bombardment wasn't doing enough given the fact that the defenders didn't have the disruption(-) indicator.

Also, were the PBYs flying the actual recon mission or were they flying naval search with Baker in the arc? I think you need to actually fly the recon mission. Either way, its much better for you to have a failed attack here at Baker than a larger one in the Marshalls like you were planning earlier.
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The paras went in on the beach, along with their artillery. I used them like conventional troops. Prep was only around 30%, but beach losses weren't real high.

The PBYs were on real recon missions. I don't think they carry cameras, and this probably made the difference.
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Low preparation is a killer for those invasions. Make absolutely certain that they don't attack again tomorrow. Bombard and such to help their defense in case they are counterattacked tomorrow.
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There aren't enough combat squads left to attack. I've already started re-embarking them.

I've had the impression from posts lately that against a weakly held location, an off the cuff invasion can usually work.

The previous day, his cruisers were spotted at Tabiteuea. I don't think they want any part of my force. I have one BB with the invasion TF and put the other two plus DDs in another escorting the bunch. They were together at first. My reasoning was that if a SCTF showed up, the separate TF would attack where if they were together they would be inclined to withdraw.
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Main lesson for the day:&nbsp; 3 battalions <> 1 real regiment, despite the USA triangle formations.&nbsp; Extra goodies tend to be assigned to regimental command to beef things up.
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Armor supporting this is pretty much mandatory.
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I had a few problems against me with this one.
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First was the lack of decent recon.&nbsp; I was led to assume I wouldn't be facing anything more than an isolated base force.&nbsp; Cats are not good recon aircraft, apparently, which goes against my prior beliefs.&nbsp; As mentioned, three consecutive days of dedicated recon had showed an empty island.&nbsp; I only noticed somebody there when the aborted earlier landing was a hex away, exposing them.&nbsp; The side effect of recon is that the other side gets alerted, unless this is a daily thing spread out over months.&nbsp; CF mentioned that he expected something this turn.
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Another well known lesson is to prep, prep, prep.
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The lack of extra muscle was due to two things:&nbsp;
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&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 1) I was letting the stacking value over-influence how much to bring.&nbsp; I shouldn't worry about it.&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; 2)My "real" regiments have been prepping for targets in the Gilberts proper, so the paras were uncommitted leftovers.
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Another CVE arrived yesterday.&nbsp; I have 5 or 6 in-theatre now.&nbsp; As a combined mob, they could turn out to be pretty formidable help.
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At this point, I'm reluctant to run any operation until the Pennsylvanias are out of the yard, which is almost two months.&nbsp; The 5"/38 upgrade is too good to go without and they will make fine flak escorts.&nbsp; The Lexingtons will be out of drydock next turn with their full Bofors upgrade.&nbsp; The temptation to chase his cruisers is great, but I'll resist.&nbsp; I'll probably put them on a patrol just east of Canton Island to guard against any friskiness on his part.&nbsp; I'm not worried about that base, even though air there is weak.&nbsp; I have one VMF, one VMSB and a USMC TBF squadron enroute from Christmas Is.&nbsp; It's also heavily mined with two CMs having just visited from Pearl and two ACMs anchored there to keep them up.&nbsp; The defense battalion there also helps.
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Speaking of mines, I've had sub mining missions visiting Cocanada and Madras, as well as keeping a standing sub patrol in those areas.&nbsp; I'm pretty sure he's keeping at least 4 slow battleships at Ceylon.&nbsp; I'm getting a good amount of USN subs based at Bombay, though the RN ones are more useful.
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There are regiments and there are regiments.

Three battalions do indeed equal a regiment if what you are referring to is an "independent" regiment.

The "regiments" in game that represent one third of a division are actually enhanced regiments because they each have one third of the divisional artillery allocated to them.

The "independent" regiments lack this "organic" artillery.
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Hi Hans,
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I tend to agree.&nbsp; Wouldn't an independent regiment have a number of weapons companies attached at the top level?&nbsp; I would think they would have, at a minimum mortars or light arty.&nbsp; On top of that, lots of MGs would also be present.&nbsp; I didn't think all artillery was sourced from the division level.
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Hi Hans,

I tend to agree.  Wouldn't an independent regiment have a number of weapons companies attached at the top level?  I would think they would have, at a minimum mortars or light arty.  On top of that, lots of MGs would also be present.  I didn't think all artillery was sourced from the division level.
Depends on the army. In the US army weapons companies with HMGs and 81mm mortars were organic to an infantry battalion. Other armies had similar TOEs. But the USA infantry regiments also had a cannon company with some 105mm and 75mm pieces. I don't think this is captured in the separate infantry regiments you see in the game. Either way, the partition of USA IDs into regiments in the game implies a partition of the divisional artillery units (unless the artillery itself is split off which seems to be the case only for Japan). Basically what I'm saying is that the TOE doesn't necessarily match real life because of the ways you can partition some of those divisional resources. So just worry about the in game TOE and not what happened IRL.
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The independent US regiments in game don't get any artillery larger than 81mm mortars.
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27 October 1942

Consulting Intel Baboon over Baker Island might have saved me some trouble. That SNLF was sighted back in July. Never occurred to me at the time.

The para-marines are loaded up and about to depart. CF has moved 3 subs into the hex. I've dealt with two of them.
Sub attack near Baker Island at 149,136

Japanese Ships
SS I-170

Allied Ships
BB Oklahoma, Torpedo hits 1
BB Maryland
DD Aaron Ward
DD Duncan

SS I-170 launches 4 torpedoes at BB Oklahoma
DD Duncan fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Duncan attacking submerged sub ....
DD Duncan fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Duncan fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Baker Island at 149,136

Japanese Ships
SS I-170, hits 16, and is sunk

Allied Ships
CLAA Juneau
CLAA Atlanta
AP Heywood
AP Hunter Liggett
AP Leonard Wood
AK Procyon
AK Alchiba
AK Alhena
AK Betelgeuse
DD Blue
DD Farenholt

SS I-170 launches 4 torpedoes at CLAA Juneau
DD Blue fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt attacking submerged sub ....
SS I-170 forced to surface!
CLAA Juneau firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Blue firing on surfaced sub ....
CLAA Juneau firing on surfaced sub ....
DD Blue firing on surfaced sub ....
Sub slips beneath the waves

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ASW attack near Baker Island at 149,136

Japanese Ships
SS I-172, hits 2

Allied Ships
DD Farenholt
CLAA Atlanta
AP Heywood
AP Hunter Liggett
AP Leonard Wood
AK Procyon
AK Alchiba
AK Alhena
AK Betelgeuse
DD Blue

SS I-172 launches 2 torpedoes at DD Farenholt
I-172 bottoming out ....
DD Blue fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt attacking submerged sub ....
DD Farenholt loses contact with SS I-172
DD Farenholt loses contact with SS I-172
DD Farenholt cannot reach attack position over SS I-172
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Farenholt fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

I-172 has one "real" hit, so she'll be leaving. Good riddance to I-170. Okie's at about 35 flt, and is withdrawing with two DDs on her own. Probably be all right.

The elusive IJN cruiser force is back to the northwest moving east. I'm not sure if he's fancying a go at the rest or not. Unbeknownst to him, a big SCTF with Washington and South Dakota and friends are a day away from Baker, dog-legging NW to see if they can catch this group. The next day or two may be interesting.

This was my parting gift. I wonder if this had made a difference if I had done it first...
Night Naval bombardment of Baker Island at 149,136

Allied Ships
BB Idaho
BB Maryland

Japanese ground losses:
225 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 20 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

BB Idaho firing at Maizuru 1st SNLF
OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for BB Maryland
BB Maryland firing at Maizuru 1st SNLF

One more for good measure.
Afternoon Air attack on 44th Field Const Co , at 149,136 (Baker Island)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 4000' *
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb
13 x SBD-3 Dauntless releasing from 3000' *
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 lb GP Bomb

The TBF squadron from Christmas Is is now at Canton. All bombers are set to naval attack. Bombs on the Avengers, due to no HQ. I'm slightly over the air support limit, so I'm moving an AVP from Christmas to cover this.

Out east, I've moved the Lightnings to Bangalore and they'll sweep Trincomalee. I also have two full B-25 squadrons there too. If he's skimping on CAP, I'll do a port strike there next turn. With Bombay fully air supported, planes are getting fixed rather quickly now.
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The elusive IJN cruiser force is back to the northwest moving east. I'm not sure if he's fancying a go at the rest or not. Unbeknownst to him, a big SCTF with Washington and South Dakota and friends are a day away from Baker, dog-legging NW to see if they can catch this group. The next day or two may be interesting.
Any idea where Japanese CVs might be? I'd be careful about letting your SCTF drift too far into no-mans land. If he intends to go after the survivors let him come to you and engage his SCTF on your terms. Because to me it seems that if he is going to aggressively sortie his cruisers, there is a decent chance that his CVs are joining from another direction. CF doesn't seem one to risk fleet assets on a hunch.
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The TBF squadron from Christmas Is is now at Baker. All bombers are set to naval attack. Bombs on the Avengers, due to no HQ. I'm slightly over the air support limit, so I'm moving an AVP from Christmas to cover this.
I think you made a typo; do you mean Canton Island? Luckily Canton is only 8 hexes from Baker. See if you can get a Vindicator squadron there instead as its normal range with drop tanks is 8 hexes; that way you can drop 1000 lb bombs on Baker instead of 500 lb bombs which is all the SBD-3 can give.
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Yes...Canton. Fixed it.

I don't know if I have to worry about KB. Would he firewall his carriers trying to catch ships he knows are withdrawing, inflicting probably yard-worthy engine damage? I doubt it.

I'll let this stew awhile.
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I don't know if I have to worry about KB. Would he firewall his carriers trying to catch ships he knows are withdrawing, inflicting probably yard-worthy engine damage? I doubt it.
It's a long ways back to Pearl Harbor from Baker and if you take the direct route you are moving through open ocean without sufficient patrol plane coverage. Let us not forget that you were already ambushed once moving back from this area to PH near Johnston atoll and lost some CVs. It certainly sounds plausible to me that CF may send out a couple of CVs to catch you withdrawing to PH after this battle in a similar manner. I agree its unlikely but the way I see it the downside of being wrong is a much greater magnitude than the upside of being right. But I said before, CF isn't one to take risks with his fleet so if he's coming to fight a battle I wouldn't go out and meet him.
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28 October 1942

Sangeli, I officially apologize for doubting you...

KB did show. And what a show it was.
Day Time Surface Combat, near Howland Island at 149,134, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 2
CV Hiryu, Shell hits 2
CV Soryu, Shell hits 1
CV Shokaku
CV Zuikaku, Shell hits 1
CV Akagi
CVL Ryujo, Shell hits 1
BB Kongo, Shell hits 3
BB Haruna, Shell hits 7, heavy fires
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 2
DD Samidare, Shell hits 1
DD Yugure, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
DD Ariake, Shell hits 2, heavy fires

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 7, on fire
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 12, on fire
CA Indianapolis, Shell hits 1
CA Northampton, Shell hits 1
CA Chester, Shell hits 1
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
DD Fanning, Shell hits 9, and is sunk
DD Mahan, Shell hits 1
DD Preston
DD Drayton, Shell hits 1
DD Lamson

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 26,000 yards

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Day Time Surface Combat, near Howland Island at 147,133, Range 26,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CV Kaga, Shell hits 6, on fire
CV Hiryu, Shell hits 4
CV Soryu, Shell hits 1
CV Shokaku, Shell hits 3
CV Zuikaku
CV Akagi
CVL Ryujo, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Kongo, Shell hits 1, on fire
BB Haruna, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Chikuma, Shell hits 31, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Samidare, Shell hits 27, and is sunk
DD Ariake, Shell hits 19, and is sunk

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Shell hits 9, heavy fires
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 11, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Indianapolis, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Northampton, Shell hits 2, on fire
CA Chester, Shell hits 1, on fire
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Mahan
DD Preston
DD Drayton, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Lamson, Shell hits 1, on fire

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 26,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 26,000 yards

The fights worked their way down to 6,000 and 8,000 yards, respectively.

It looks like all his DDs are dead. Chikuma took a lot of penetrating hits. I don't see her making it back, either. Haruna ate some penetrating 16" shells and had a good fire going. At a minimum, she'll be in the yard a long time. Kongo got off fairly lightly. None of my battleships landed hits on the carriers, cruisers and destroyers doing most of the work. Even Hiryu was shrugging off 8" shells to the hull. Kaga's probably in the worst shape with fires going.

South Dakota and a cruiser succumbed to their wounds after the battle.

I thought I was going to get away. No CV strikes in the morning, but later in the afternoon, it started.
Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Howland Island at 148,132

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 50
A6M5 Zero x 54
B5N1 Kate x 17
B5N2 Kate x 117
D3A1 Val x 134

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 9 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Washington, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 6, and is sunk
CA Chicago, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CA Northampton, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CA Chester, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Mahan, Bomb hits 1
DD Lamson
CA Indianapolis, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
DD Drayton, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
25 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
17 x B5N1 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
19 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Chicago
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Washington
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CA Chester
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring an Allied CA

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Howland Island at 148,132

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 17

Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 5 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
SOC-1 Seagull: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CA Northampton, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DD Lamson
DD Preston

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 45cm Type 91 Torp

In the end, only Indianapolis and three destroyers came out of it alive. The upside is that my other invasion forces are probably clear now. Lexington, Saratoga, Hornet and three CVEs are heading that way to help cover things. I should have got them out yesterday, but forgot. I don't think they would have made it in time anyway.

Was it worth saving the invasion group. I don't really know at this point. I guess better to lose two BBs than three, plus the troops and valuable transports. I'm very disappointed in the gunnery on my ships. My battlewagons engaged the CVs several times to no avail. They should have been dead to rights. At this point, it's most likely KB is headed to Singapore or Japan. Some of his carriers did take some island hits, though I don't know how that translates, damage-wise.

Elsewhere, quiet in India, due to weather.
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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder

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ORIGINAL: Mundy
Sangeli, I officially apologize for doubting you...
I know I am sometimes a pessimist and prefer being conservative when it comes to early Allied play but its events like this that vindicate my preference to err on the side of caution.
ORIGINAL: Mundy
In the end, only Indianapolis and three destroyers came out of it alive. The upside is that my other invasion forces are probably clear now. Lexington, Saratoga, Hornet and three CVEs are heading that way to help cover things. I should have got them out yesterday, but forgot. I don't think they would have made it in time anyway.

Was it worth saving the invasion group. I don't really know at this point. I guess better to lose two BBs than three, plus the troops and valuable transports. I'm very disappointed in the gunnery on my ships. My battlewagons engaged the CVs several times to no avail. They should have been dead to rights. At this point, it's most likely KB is headed to Singapore or Japan. Some of his carriers did take some island hits, though I don't know how that translates, damage-wise.
Well actually the battle turned out better than expected due to the day time surface encounter with the KB proper. Even though most of your fleet was destroyed, you did inflict some damage on important ships and the Haruna and Chikuma probably will sink with heavy fires and heavy damage. Not to mention the Japanese CVs have some damage that needs repair though most can probably be taken care of at Truk. So actually I think this puts you further away from auto-victory. You shouldn't be so unhappy with your gunnery; they did better than I would have expected given the circumstances.

But why would you go and sortie your 3 remaining CVs against a much stronger Japanese fleet? And since when are transports "valuable" as the Allies? Using a CV fleet to cover the retreat tiny invasion force that already lost many guys on the beaches is like offering to sacrifice a queen to save a pawn. Its not like you have a bunch of LCUs on there; even to start it was just a regiment. You're far better off splitting up transports and scattering them in the open Pacific than putting your remaining CVs at risk. Because if you keep treating CVs like they are disposable I can guarantee you that CF will dispose of them.
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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder

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If I have to bet, CF will go defensive having achieved already very good results.

He will likely withdraw using his undamaged/ lightly damaged ships to escort/ protect those in trouble (Akagi, Haruna, Ryujo). I wouldn't get too close with anything other than submarines, as I doubt any of his carriers is out of action
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I was handed a gift, and my guys couldn't cash it in. KB's bodies should have been splattered across the sidewalk. I would do it again in a heartbeat, given the chance. This was probably my only shot of the war of doing this.

I was hoping the numerous deck hits on the CVs would impair flight ops. No such luck. They were shedding 8" hits as well as the belt. It's probably a good bet he's dealing with engine damage as well from running at flank speed -- some of it possibly major.

These transports are my good militarized transports, without the "x" in front of them, so yeah, they are quite valuable to me. I'll need them when I kick off the real offensives next year.

I was mostly being ready with my carriers. They were packing 5 fighter squadrons, so I could have matched him at that end. It's moot anyway. He's leaving. Maybe someone will leave a generator running in the hanger...

I have one sub at Truk, so I'll re-align it to hopefully catch them. At this stage of the war, it would take a miracle to accomplish anything. Maybe I can finish off Haruna.

I've noticed another fleet sub managed to run itself out of fuel near the Philippines. I thought the AI was smart about such things. We'll see if she gets back. Hopefully, they can rig a sail. I've bagged a couple xAKs in the last week, and usually have a couple encounters a day. I've only seen tanker traffic along the south coast of Borneo and between China and Formosa. I'm guessing he's hugging the Chinese coast on that end. I may have to align the long range Dutch subs that way.
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RE: Too much Iron in my Diet - Mundy vs Cannonfodder

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I say good show! Your opponent - right this very minute - is out buying new undershorts because those ones are just not getting clean. [:D]
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