Groundhog Day! - No NJP

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Meanwhile, Back at the ranch...

Got a very interesting spotting of a fighter bomber over Sitka with a good ping on a small TF nearby. That almost couldnt have come from anything other than a carrier. If so, he is pretty deep in my coverage without me seeing him.

I bet the aircraft was actually just a Glen. Lots of FOW on aircraft IDs early on, especially on ships with inexperienced crews.

The base reported it being a fighter bomber. You could of course be right. The coincidence part is that tomorrow is March 1, 1942 and that means no more winter penalties for attacking up in that area.

If he is going to come for this place, now would be the time.

You have not discussed radio chatter .. an invasion force should produce increased radio chatter if not decoded messages.
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I have made great progress. However, due to the misunderstanding of objectives, taking time training your troops, navy and air forces is pretty irrelevant given an enemy who is intent at ending the game in January of 1943. I guess that means that I have been out maneuvered in regards to the whole war. LOL!!!

Too true.[:D] But it can work both ways...the Japan that prepares for an endgame in 45 can be destroyed in 43.

Unlike Joc's game, you haven't thrown away your BBs and have had no CV clash, Mr. Kane was always one step ahead of Joc crushing ships right and left. You have done a good job of preserving your ships so I rate your chance to avoid AV higher although I fully expect a clash in late 42 might be decisive at either staving off AV or not.

That is true too. However, show me a game where the Japanese went apeshit in 1942 yet didnt manage to get an AV win but then somehow managed to survive until 1946. I would like to see that AAR.

Probably the PzB contest could have lasted longer .. it went into defeat only that PzB quit with the supplies
out of whack ..but you are quite correct that many of AAR starts with the IJ going apeshit then resignation ..

However, NJP has proven he will give it a go until the end .. which will be different than PzB ..he might be able to extend the game.
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managed to survive until 1946. I would like to see that AAR.

Not than many games make it to 1946 no matter what Japan does![:)]

Obvevt vs Jocke maybe...he went kind of crazy in 42 with Oz and then a truce in China to keep the game going. If it wasn't a scenario one game it would have made 46 I bet.



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I bet the aircraft was actually just a Glen. Lots of FOW on aircraft IDs early on, especially on ships with inexperienced crews.

The base reported it being a fighter bomber. You could of course be right. The coincidence part is that tomorrow is March 1, 1942 and that means no more winter penalties for attacking up in that area.

If he is going to come for this place, now would be the time.

You have not discussed radio chatter .. an invasion force should produce increased radio chatter if not decoded messages.

Havent even checked it. I have no intention of going against him right now so intel is irrelevant.
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Havent even checked it. I have no intention of going against him right now so intel is irrelevant.

Well it would complete the picture for you ....Radio Traffic and an airplane sighting together make a unique picture of deployment of forces

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Kind of hard to believe you aren't even checking it...even if only to send some functioning Dutch subs to try and catch some troop convoys.
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I'm glad to see that my fears that he would exploit the opportunity to run up massive VPs from strategic bombing were unfounded.

If he is going all in for Australia, at least that is something you have a fighting chance to contend with.

Will be interesting to see the emergency reinforcements come into play and how you will deliver them to the fight in their homeland.

I doubt he has sufficient naval strength or fuel to spare to completely isolate the south coast ports, but well timed sweeps there could catch incoming troops so it will definitely be dicey.

Looking forward to watching.
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I dont.. It is like a car wreck happening :P

The touted replacements are in pretty bad shape. Their training and morale is in the 30-50's. I am not going to rush them anywhere.

Right now NJP is slowly moving south towards Sydney. I do not know what to do.

My guess is that he wants me to come out of the cities and fight him on some other ground and then he can counter attack either from the west or by amphibious attack. That makes me want to stay and let him besiege me.

However, there are serious disadvantages to that strategy as well as he can do what I did in china and pin large groups of armies with much smaller ones and just move on to other pickings for a while as the defenders starve.

It is barely MARCH of 1942, just too early in the game to have anything that can compete against the Japanese.

Keeping combat ships in port on patrol is working most excellently. Their night time numbers are going up quickly. Not many 30's left now. It doesnt seem to help on the upper daylight side anywhere near as much. However, considering the bulk of combat is at night the extra experience should help a lot.

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Early March.

I put a torp into a battleship. The game wasnt even kind enough to lie to me and tell me it sank...

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March 13, 1942

The Japanese invade Tasmania in mid Mach of 1942.

I am not going to lie, I am totally demoralized. I have yet to get any planes and/or ships to be competitive enough to fight back. NJP is just smashing all of the pieces off of the table and leaving me nowhere to even set up for a counter attack.

Australia will be completely cut off within a week...

I did the math and if he simply takes Chungking, Manila and Singapore he is within 700 VP of 4-1. If he isolates Australia I cannot see a way back for the Allies.



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China

His directed attack at the center of China has been much more effective and my attempt at blocking his supply seems to have had no effect.



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March 15, 1942...

Japan invades Diamond harbor. They also smash all of the residual shipping at Tasmania.

Every time I get the game turn I am ready to play but after the replay I am just disgusted and usually just end the turn immediately and send it back...

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March 17, 1942

Given the worsening situation and total destruction of several supply convoys combined with the fact that Australia is not approachable without attack by Japanese LBA, Truman has declared a fortress Pearl Harbor policy and ordered all allied shipping in the pacific to withdraw and assist in the supply and defense of the island and the eastern coast of the united states.
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Truman?? what happened to FDR??? heart attack after reading the Pacific war news?? [;)]
But then, the vice-president in 1942 was Henry Wallace; Truman was just another little known senator. [:D]


I am very interested on how this will end... your opponent is uber aggresive
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Truman?? what happened to FDR??? heart attack after reading the Pacific war news?? [;)]
But then, the vice-president in 1942 was Henry Wallace; Truman was just another little known senator. [:D]


I am very interested on how this will end... your opponent is uber aggresive

LOL!!! Blame my laziness... I googled who was president ... I am going to leave the mistake for kicks and grins :]
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Stop whining, for goodness sake! You are the Allies. The Arsenal of Democracy! You have Sir Robin'ed like no one else.[:)]

Plan your counter attack now! You have till Jan 43 to avoid autovictory, you can have a focused, devastating attack by being bold and following Mahanic tactics. Or, you can nibble around the Empire.

You need to play some Ironman Nasty Nasty and get your but well and truly kicked. I think you are doing well.[:)] Go get em, Tiger!
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You know those Australian emergency reinforcements can do wonders on India
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You know those Australian emergency reinforcements can do wonders on India


It is a possiblity. Just realized I could move troops to Capetown from Mombasa without ships. I knew it then forgot it.

Those troops have pretty poor training and morale at this point.

Remember, it is only mid March. I am trying to reserve troops so I can upgrade them. My plan isnt working very well to this point however.

Alternatively I could move them to Australia for a counter attack.

I am not even thinking about what is going to happen later this year. In June I will begin preparations for counterattacks by starting to prep troops. They will be ready by September. It may not be in time though.

Revealing my operational plan now shouldnt hurt anything. My intentions from the beginning of the game was to reduce the number of vectors I would be using to attack japan and attack along the northern and into the pacific along the western vector. To this end I would capture the Kavieng/Rabaul area and move northwest along New Guinea using the land for LBA cover while I moved. Once I got to the top I would continue northwest until Puerto-Principe was captured. This cuts off most of the oil in the DEI.

On the other vector I am looking at Pegu as an invasion point. I may send an invasion in without air cover or with minimal air cover as part of a 2 pronged attack one on each side of the map.

My hopes were for a much more naval game in the Pacific in late 1942 and most of 1943.

None of this has been eliminated, it is all still possible. However, usually the smart Japanese player does not waste resources on VP's he is going to lose to the Allies in late 42 and early 43 as NJP is doing. He is either going to win big in 43 or lose big.



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Just for the record.

I have a feeling that all of NJP's troops have not been allocated and a hammer is yet to fall. I havent done any scientific or mathematic checking, it is just that my spider sense is tingling.
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He is either going to win big in 43 or lose big.

This sum it up!

if you avoid auto victory in 43, then any strategy you develop for later will work
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