Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock

[bigred]

Hi Lowpe. Really surprised the allies went after Mariannas so early. I dont think his CV air can stand up to you.

[Lowpe]

Chunking:

A while back I got a lot of advice to close all the hexsides and try at least one deliberate attack.

I was perfectly content to simply lay siege and move everything out; and I guess that is what will happen after a horrendous combat.

However, the Chinese have moved out units on four occasions shock attacking me...so I figured keep the bombing and bombarding up and give it a try.

Too late to change now...

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: bigred

Hi Lowpe. Really surprised the allies went after Mariannas so early. I dont think his CV air can stand up to you.

From your lips (or keyboard) to the Dice Gods' ears![:)]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert
If you feel like Tinian is reeling is there anything that can be flown in to shore it up at least until the naval/air battles are more decided and you can see if he is able to hold superiority in the area? I think IIRC both Tinian and Saipan held out for over a month against massive Allied armies in my game with Jocke. The CD guns can really help if he didn't land enough supply there and needs to go back in.

I have a full IJA heavy Division, several smaller units (regiments, brigades), artillery heading out...but they need to arrive after the KB, of course.

I am not flying anything in, I guess I should have been.[:-] However, he has landed with so much don't think I could fly enough in too hold...need heavy guns.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

I also question the river attacks. Why are you worried about those hex sides? You could break a division into 3 parts and have the other 2 divisions in the main on the proper side of the river.

Just having units in the adjacent hex(s) should prevent him from retreating through that side.

This is so easy from my armchair :]

Unless he moves them out, shocking across onto your units in force... I'd rather suicide some Armoured Car Companies across the river and buy them back afterwards. Then you don't need to worry about sitting units on the other side of the hex border.

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: obvert
If you feel like Tinian is reeling is there anything that can be flown in to shore it up at least until the naval/air battles are more decided and you can see if he is able to hold superiority in the area? I think IIRC both Tinian and Saipan held out for over a month against massive Allied armies in my game with Jocke. The CD guns can really help if he didn't land enough supply there and needs to go back in.

I have a full IJA heavy Division, several smaller units (regiments, brigades), artillery heading out...but they need to arrive after the KB, of course.

I am not flying anything in, I guess I should have been.[:-] However, he has landed with so much don't think I could fly enough in too hold...need heavy guns.

You'd be surprised what forts and terrain can do. One bad DA and he might be waiting 1-2 weeks for the next.

[CaptBeefheart]

No advice, just .

Cheers,
CC

[Lowpe]

Nov 4, 1943

4 Judies attack at night and miss...

Guam bombarded at night...

Bad weather prevents all the planes from flying in the Marianas, but some helens and escorts make a high altitude bomb run on Rota.

Afternoon, everyone gets shot down. 4 disjointed attacks, all of them get thru to make runs on the CVEs but no hits. Only George sweeps and they are disjointed and run into P47s.

So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

[Lowpe]

Good roll at Chungking. Not.[:D]

[Lowpe]

But Chungking is fully closed off, and I did drop the forts one level.

[Lowpe]

Some days are just better than others...

[ny59giants]

So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

A 'little' more details on what happened on Tinian please. [X(] I was thinking you had a decent chance of holding on in Marianas until I read this. Some night bombing on Rota is in order to see if you can find and sink any AEs and/or AKEs that are there. If he can reload his warships there, he can bombard Guam and Saipan's AFs to keep them closed.

[Encircled]

Ouch!

Not much more to say really, except you need the KB asap!

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

So Allies have 50 fighters in the north, and 100 at Rota and have Tinian now.

230 planes lost to 13 for the Allies. About 100 were planes destroyed on the ground at Tinian.

A 'little' more details on what happened on Tinian please. [X(] I was thinking you had a decent chance of holding on in Marianas until I read this. Some night bombing on Rota is in order to see if you can find and sink any AEs and/or AKEs that are there. If he can reload his warships there, he can bombard Guam and Saipan's AFs to keep them closed.

All I had were forts and an infantry division basically. He had two marine division, a regiment, 2 tank battalions, and 17 other units.

[JocMeister]

Ouch, that sucks. I though you could hold for a couple of days at least?? Erik held for 2-3 weeks and he had about the same thing you have. But I had way more then your opponent does.

All you can do now is try and make him pay for the Marianas. If you can defeat him in a CV battle and isolate the Marianas you might be able to buy a couple of months.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Ouch, that sucks. I though you could hold for a couple of days at least?? Erik held for 2-3 weeks and he had about the same thing you have. But I had way more then your opponent does.

All you can do now is try and make him pay for the Marianas. If you can defeat him in a CV battle and isolate the Marianas you might be able to buy a couple of months.

Tinian held for three attacks I guess...I didn't have a single good roll.

Bonins are only 1/3 defended with about 12K defenders in each base. Yap, Ulithi have engineers. All my best troops in the area are forward at Kusaie, Ponape, Truk, Rabaul, Port Moresby line which is totally bypassed as is the entire SRA.

All of my November reinforcements will need to go to shoring up Daito, Bonins, Naha, Luzon, Davao.

Pretty bleak, but good play on the Allies and poor play on my part. He timed his aerial movements and shore bombardments perfectly. Me, not too well.

I still have the KB, and he is very aggressive and looking for a fight though.

[Lokasenna]

Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice [;)].

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice [;)].

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice [;)].

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

If you are concerned about him flying in fighters to shoot you down, then I would keep bombing the airfield a little bit.

However, in my experience bombing the troops is far better at hastening the fall of the city. It will disable squads and disrupt the units (however slightly).

Chungking gets 420 supply per day, I think. It might be 400 or 600. Somewhere in that range. The trouble is, you can't bomb that supply out, I think. It makes it into units before you can possibly hit the airfield. I haven't tested this to be sure, but in my limited experience observing the effects of airfield bombings, there is always at least X supply at a base that's just been bombed, where X is the amount that it gets organically.

If you can get forts down to 3, you will really start noticing a ton of disablements from aerial bombing. Once I had forts down to 2, my 400ish IJAAF bombers (daily) were causing >1000 casualties. Very helpful.

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

Not bad at Chungking. I'll take 30K casualties to drop the forts to 5. Rest up, check your units with low morale and cycle them out, and bomb the snot out of his guys. Only 3882 AV of his there will crumple quickly, especially if you can manage to bring in another 1500 AV. If not, you're looking at a semi-long slog. Maybe 6-8 months with current troops, and that's if you bomb him.

Happy to go into much more detail if you need advice [;)].

If I bring in more, the 1500AV how long do you think they can hold. I am thinking I should go for this, as it is about the only positive thing I have going for me right now...

Should I keep bombing the airfield to burn supply, or is supply never making it to the runways being eaten instead by the troops. I have been bombing the airfield 75 percent and the troops 25 percent, but not with a lot. That could change.

Ah, I forgot on how long it would take.

It depends on how much damage your units take during the attacks and how long you wait in between attacks. Waiting longer means less damage to your units. I can't really give you an estimate until you do a real deliberate attack. Where are your tank divisions? They would really help here.

The ratio of his devices destroyed to disabled is not good in that attack. That is probably a function of your poor odds on the attack. It will be the beginning of the end when it is roughly half and half for him. I kept records of my attacks against Bullwinkle, but the size of the troops on each side was a little over 3x what you have here.