At dawn we slept...in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
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- Cap Mandrake
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
I toyed with the idea of sending the A-24's to Brisbane. Too bad. They might well have hit something.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Java-jima: Huge force at Batavia with more landing directly last night. They got shot up pretty good and we sunk a WJD DD with a mine.
Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 31433 troops, 253 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 1345
Defending force 9848 troops, 132 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 115
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
113th Infantry Regiment
II/124th Infantry Battalion
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
18th Division
16th Division
65th Brigade
148th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF /1
56th Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
1st Cav Sqdn
I Landstorm Cdo
I Marechausse Cdo
X KNIL Battalion
2nd Cav Sqdn
XI KNIL Battalion
IV Landstorm Cdo
HQ I KNIL Division
2e-VLG-V Sup Afd
Andir ML Base Force
2e-VLG-III Sup Afd
XII KNIL Battalion
3e-VLG-V Sup Afd
3e-VLG-III Sup Afd
Batavia Defenses
A-III-Ld AA Battalion
Batavia KM Base Force
1e-VLG-III Sup Afd
ML-KNIL
A-I-Ld AA Battalion
VkA-1 Sup Afd
Ground combat at Batavia (49,98)
Japanese Bombardment attack
Attacking force 31433 troops, 253 guns, 27 vehicles, Assault Value = 1345
Defending force 9848 troops, 132 guns, 9 vehicles, Assault Value = 115
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
Yokosuka 2nd SNLF
2nd Sasebo SNLF Coy
113th Infantry Regiment
II/124th Infantry Battalion
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment
56th Engineer Regiment
18th Division
16th Division
65th Brigade
148th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 3rd SNLF /1
56th Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
1st Cav Sqdn
I Landstorm Cdo
I Marechausse Cdo
X KNIL Battalion
2nd Cav Sqdn
XI KNIL Battalion
IV Landstorm Cdo
HQ I KNIL Division
2e-VLG-V Sup Afd
Andir ML Base Force
2e-VLG-III Sup Afd
XII KNIL Battalion
3e-VLG-V Sup Afd
3e-VLG-III Sup Afd
Batavia Defenses
A-III-Ld AA Battalion
Batavia KM Base Force
1e-VLG-III Sup Afd
ML-KNIL
A-I-Ld AA Battalion
VkA-1 Sup Afd

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Big disturbance in the force in China. 38K casualties? [X(]
There won't be any Chinamen left!
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 66876 troops, 569 guns, 394 vehicles, Assault Value = 2147
Defending force 46423 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 655
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 1914
Allied adjusted defense: 134
Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
2256 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 217 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
38996 casualties reported
Squads: 2208 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3574 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 84 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 205 (205 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 21
Assaulting units:
138th Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment
21st Division
16th Ind.Mixed Brigade
110th Division
5th Armored Car Co
26th Engineer Regiment
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Tank Regiment
41st Division
20th Recon Regiment
26th Recon Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
12th Army
11th Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
93rd Chinese Corps
15th Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
3rd Construction Regiment
5th New Chinese Corps
8th New Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
7th Construction Regiment
39th Group Army
15th Group Army
24th Group Army
4th Chinese Base Force
14th Group Army
36th Group Army
1st War Area
Jingcha War Area
10th Chinese Base Force
There won't be any Chinamen left!
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
Japanese Shock attack
Attacking force 66876 troops, 569 guns, 394 vehicles, Assault Value = 2147
Defending force 46423 troops, 230 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 655
Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0
Japanese adjusted assault: 1914
Allied adjusted defense: 134
Japanese assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)
Japanese forces CAPTURE Chengchow !!!
Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: shock(+)
Japanese ground losses:
2256 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 217 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (2 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
38996 casualties reported
Squads: 2208 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 3574 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 84 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 205 (205 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 21
Assaulting units:
138th Infantry Regiment
12th Tank Regiment
15th Tank Regiment
11th Tank Regiment
9th Ind.Mixed Brigade
23rd Tank Regiment
21st Division
16th Ind.Mixed Brigade
110th Division
5th Armored Car Co
26th Engineer Regiment
8th Ind.Mixed Brigade
10th Tank Regiment
41st Division
20th Recon Regiment
26th Recon Regiment
6th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
4th Mortar Battalion
12th Army
11th Field Artillery Regiment
Defending units:
93rd Chinese Corps
15th Chinese Corps
40th Chinese Corps
3rd Construction Regiment
5th New Chinese Corps
8th New Chinese Corps
9th Chinese Corps
80th Chinese Corps
98th Chinese Corps
27th Chinese Corps
2nd Chinese Cavalry Corps
7th Construction Regiment
39th Group Army
15th Group Army
24th Group Army
4th Chinese Base Force
14th Group Army
36th Group Army
1st War Area
Jingcha War Area
10th Chinese Base Force

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
We lost one previously damaged CA, previously damaged Achilles and a damaged USN DD.
Quite a few WJD carriers planes lost. Likely a new landing coming near Brisbane. We are just getting hammered.
Quite a few WJD carriers planes lost. Likely a new landing coming near Brisbane. We are just getting hammered.

RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Likely a new landing coming near Brisbane. We are just getting hammered.
[:(] [:(] It there any way to stop them?
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Just began following this AAR. Good stuff.

"The only way I got to keep them Tigers busy is to let them shoot holes in me!"
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Yes - don't resist in face of impossible odds - melt away and trade space for time. By fall of 1942, come back with the big hammer.ORIGINAL: jwolf
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Likely a new landing coming near Brisbane. We are just getting hammered.
[:(] [:(] It there any way to stop them?

No matter how bad a situation is, you can always make it worse. - Chris Hadfield : An Astronaut's Guide To Life On Earth
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Yes - don't resist in face of impossible odds - melt away and trade space for time. By fall of 1942, come back with the big hammer.ORIGINAL: jwolf
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Likely a new landing coming near Brisbane. We are just getting hammered.
[:(] [:(] It there any way to stop them?![]()
This was pretty much a run away turn. The chief problem was damaged ships not being able to run fast enough. New Caledonia looking vulnerable and so is New Zealand. As for OZ, our best hope is they gather too much momentum and trip the emergency reinforcements. [:)]

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The defense of Rabaul was, in retrospect, "irrational exuberance" [:)]

RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Any moves to bring the British 18th Div back from Darwin? They'd be useful north of Brisbane about now. Stay away from defending Rockhampton, the jap CA/BB's will nuke you in a clear hex. Bundaberg can also be easily bypassed by road.
Have you been stockpiling squads to upgrade the Aussie divisions yet? Fighters or bombers on the way from CONUS?
What about the Aussies that come in from Aden- to India, Australia or elsewhere?
Have you been stockpiling squads to upgrade the Aussie divisions yet? Fighters or bombers on the way from CONUS?
What about the Aussies that come in from Aden- to India, Australia or elsewhere?
RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
Let's recruit this pig: http://gadling.com/2013/09/10/australia ... eals-beer/
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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Big disturbance in the force in China. 38K casualties? [X(]
There won't be any Chinamen left!
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
If you keep defending open terrain just off of major IJA rail arteries, you'll be right. You really should pull out of *any* open Chinese terrain in the South and Southeast of China immediately.
ETA: Should have. [:'(]

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ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
The defense of Rabaul was, in retrospect, "irrational exuberance" [:)]
Are the Australian defensive asset classes likely to experience trend line asset inflation or is the defense of Brisbane an asset class bubble?

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Any moves to bring the British 18th Div back from Darwin? They'd be useful north of Brisbane about now. Stay away from defending Rockhampton, the jap CA/BB's will nuke you in a clear hex. Bundaberg can also be easily bypassed by road.
Have you been stockpiling squads to upgrade the Aussie divisions yet? Fighters or bombers on the way from CONUS?
What about the Aussies that come in from Aden- to India, Australia or elsewhere?
Also, what about reinforcements to / from Perth? These can be transcontinentally (is that a word? Well, it is now) railed east to support the defenses there.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
Big disturbance in the force in China. 38K casualties? [X(]
There won't be any Chinamen left!
Ground combat at Chengchow (88,44)
If you keep defending open terrain just off of major IJA rail arteries, you'll be right. You really should pull out of *any* open Chinese terrain in the South and Southeast of China immediately.
ETA: Should have. [:'(]
This is true. Hold Changsha and fall back to the woods.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake
The defense of Rabaul was, in retrospect, "irrational exuberance" [:)]
Are the Australian defensive asset classes likely to experience trend line asset inflation or is the defense of Brisbane an asset class bubble?
Personally, in light of the recent Yellow Peril trend line, I would favor some serious Quantitative Easing...as fast as possible back toward Brisbane.

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RE: At dawn we slept.....in the cab on the way back from Olongapo
US help for Oz:
1) USN...well...not so much
2) 2 x 2/3rd strength P-39 squadrons. All the P-40 squadrons evacuated from the PI. USMC dive bomber squadrons (one still SBD-1, one just converted to SBD-3)
All the B-17's evacuated from the PI and all the unrestricted B-17 squadrons except the Hawaiian flagged squadrons. 3 x B-26 squdrons. 2 x Wildcat squadrons.
1 1/2 squadrons of A-24's
3) One regiment of infantry coming from New Zealand.
I tend to agree about Br 18 Div. At this point the Shinto-boys have nearly 2 division equivalents of infantry ashore in Oz. They can do some serious damage where they are and less damage at Darwin. This appears not to be a feint. [:D]
1) USN...well...not so much
2) 2 x 2/3rd strength P-39 squadrons. All the P-40 squadrons evacuated from the PI. USMC dive bomber squadrons (one still SBD-1, one just converted to SBD-3)
All the B-17's evacuated from the PI and all the unrestricted B-17 squadrons except the Hawaiian flagged squadrons. 3 x B-26 squdrons. 2 x Wildcat squadrons.
1 1/2 squadrons of A-24's
3) One regiment of infantry coming from New Zealand.
I tend to agree about Br 18 Div. At this point the Shinto-boys have nearly 2 division equivalents of infantry ashore in Oz. They can do some serious damage where they are and less damage at Darwin. This appears not to be a feint. [:D]

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ORIGINAL: Itdepends
Have you been stockpiling squads to upgrade the Aussie divisions yet?
[X(] Hmmmm. Pretend I didn't read the manual
What about the Aussies that come in from Aden- to India, Australia or elsewhere?
Still 33 days from arrival.
It seems we may have been stockpiling Australian squads without even trying? I wonder if we can sell those Papuan squads?

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- Cap Mandrake
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**********Office of the PM, Canberra************
Mr. Curtin: <enters from a greeting room> Absolutely lovely group of young ladies from Cairns. Very fit! Ahhhhh.
Where were we? Ah, yes. War materiel. Well, perhaps we can trade those bloody sound detectors for some 25 Lb guns? At this point I think we should tell Mr. Churchill to stuff his North African campaign and send us our boys.
Mr. Curtin: <enters from a greeting room> Absolutely lovely group of young ladies from Cairns. Very fit! Ahhhhh.
Where were we? Ah, yes. War materiel. Well, perhaps we can trade those bloody sound detectors for some 25 Lb guns? At this point I think we should tell Mr. Churchill to stuff his North African campaign and send us our boys.






