Between the Storms

[Rysyonok]

Just confirming... Bts 2.2 from 2/16/15 is the most recent version, right?

[ny59giants]

Right....click on link to RA/BTS on John's posting.

[John 3rd]

Will provide details when done.

Rys: DON'T start a new game until the update is complete! You won't be able to take full advantage of some changes if you have already started a campaign. As I said my hope is to be complete by Sunday. Will release the BTS Update as well as the new variant that day.

[John 3rd]

TENTATIVE THINKING:

CAPITAL SHIPS
Kure NSY #1
BB Owari Laid Down--1/36---Launched 1/38--Completed 1/40 Lead Ship in Class: 48 Months
BC Kawachi Laid Down--2/38---Launched 8/39--Completed 2/41 Lead Ship in Class: 34 Months
Slip Open 10/39

Mitsubishi, Nagasaki 1:
BB Hitachi Laid Down--1/38---Launched 1/40--Completed 2/41 2nd Ship in Class: 37 Months
BC Iwaki Laid Down--2/40---Launched 6/41--Completed 7/42 2nd Ship in Class: 29 Months
Slip Open 7/41

Owari Class
3x3 16.1"
42,000 T
30 Knots

Kawachi Class
3x2 14"
31,500 T
33 Knots

John (JWE/Symon) placed the building of the BBs 33-40 months. I placed the Owari beyond that and made Hitachi fall right in the middle. I figure the BCs are slightly faster to build and have them at 34 and 29 months. Allow for wartime rush in finishing Iwaki.

How about that?

[Rysyonok]

With no yamatos, would any older bb's be making a comeback? I would have loved to see RJW units get another lease on life.

[John 3rd]

RJW?

[Rysyonok]

Sorry... Russo-Japanese war, 1904-1905

[John 3rd]

They are in the game. They are listed as gun boats but pack a pretty solid punch. Make for good convoy escorts since most travel at 15-18 Knots.

[1EyedJacks]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

TENTATIVE THINKING:

CAPITAL SHIPS
Kure NSY #1
BB Owari Laid Down--1/36---Launched 1/38--Completed 1/40 Lead Ship in Class: 48 Months
BC Kawachi Laid Down--2/38---Launched 8/39--Completed 2/41 Lead Ship in Class: 34 Months
Slip Open 10/39

Mitsubishi, Nagasaki 1:
BB Hitachi Laid Down--1/38---Launched 1/40--Completed 2/41 2nd Ship in Class: 37 Months
BC Iwaki Laid Down--2/40---Launched 6/41--Completed 7/42 2nd Ship in Class: 29 Months
Slip Open 7/41

Owari Class
3x3 16.1"
42,000 T
30 Knots

Kawachi Class
3x2 14"
31,500 T
33 Knots

John (JWE/Symon) placed the building of the BBs 33-40 months. I placed the Owari beyond that and made Hitachi fall right in the middle. I figure the BCs are slightly faster to build and have them at 34 and 29 months. Allow for wartime rush in finishing Iwaki.

How about that?

Regarding upgrades: Do you have BB/BC/CA driving for more AAA as the war progresses? It looks like with Yamato's influence the drive becomes more carrier-centric. My WAG is that either he or his advisers would be pushing for a stronger air defense when they start thinking about the lack of armored decks on those carriers...

[John 3rd]

This is correct.

The new BBs and BCs have a strong AA later as time passes. ALL Japanese Cls on up shift to the 3.9" DP AA gun in 1942/1943. While a solid advance and useful this change brings a longer stay in the yard for those new guns to go in. Trade-Offs!

The accelerated development of the Zero Airframe being split into a land-based and carrier-based interceptor also covers your concern as well.

There will also be four new CAs designed to be CV Escorts. The Akitsuki-Class AA DD is expanded with more coming in earlier. While being the same the original class(IRL), they pack some serious AA punch when serving in larger numbers around those precious CVs...

[John 3rd]

I had Posted this over the other thread some days ago but this would be the Past History and Building Cue:

Circle Three
RL (7 Ships CL+)
2 Yamato BB
2 Shokaku CV
Nisshin as CS
2 CL (Training Cruiser)

ALTNAV (7 Ships CL+)
2 3x3 16.1" BB
2 Shokaku CV
Nisshin as CVL
2 CA (Niitaka-Class)

Circle Four
RL (10 Ships CL+)
2 Yamato BB
1 Taiho CV
7 CL (Agano--Oyodo--1 Training)

ALTNAV (15 Ships CL+) Two additional cruiser-sized slipways are added in Port Arthur in 1940. Six of eight Tokoro-Class CLs are built there.
2 B-65 BC
2 Shokaku-Kai
1 CVL (Aso-Class)
2 CA
8 CL (Tokoro)

Additional War Time Building
4 Shokaku Kai
3 CVL (Aso-Class)
2 CA

[John 3rd]

The Owari-Class BBs are, obviously, new. The B-65 are not. They are already in RA and BTS.

As to the two cruiser classes, we have:

Niitaka-Class
4x3 8"
Strong TT Battery
15,000 T

Tokoro-Class
3x3 6"
Strong TT Battery
9,700 T

Niitaka would be a new class but the Tokoro are also in the other Mods.

[DOCUP]

John, What changes are you doing to just the BTS? I am getting pretty deep into a mod with BTS as the base. If you can or want you can PM or email me the changes.

[John 3rd]

Conventional BTS is just getting a little tweaking from stuff listed earlier. There won't be much change at all.

Scen 52 RA Lite and Scen 57 BTS Lite will have the big changes.

Michael and I gabbed today and we're doing a bit of tweaking on the Japanese Fleet layout as well as implementing the wessel changes.

[Rysyonok]

Quick question... CV Kasagi and Katsuragi appear to be missing two devices. Is this going to impact them?

I'd rather know now if those two will crash the game or if they will simply be a tad crippled, before they cost a ton of naval points

[John 3rd]

Am headed for bed but will look into it tomorrow morning. Since we're working on a small update this will be a convenient time to fix whatever the issue is.

[ny59giants]

Since 1EyedJack was mentioning China in an email, I took a closer look.

Needs correction: Location 2651 is "Chinese Bn" (Warlord Rgt) and the OOB of the four brigades in northern part of country. It is blank (so if destroyed cannot be rebuilt). The devices/weapons should be...
1301 x81
251 x6
252 x72

[John 3rd]

OK. Scen 057--Between the Storms Lite is completed when it comes to ships, new classes, and general changes.

Am now shifting over to items for correction covered in the last page of this thread for BOTH BTS and BTSL.

[John 3rd]

While I was fiddle-farting around with ship dates, I decided that the second pair of Shokaku should come in exactly as that. Shokaku and not Sho-Kai. There would be no wartime experience showing differing needs until the CVs are 50% complete. Don't know if that is enough time to reflect the experience gained for the conflict. The third and fourth pair come as Sho-Kai.

Want to thank Juan for sending me new art for the Owari-Class BBs.

[John 3rd]

Bug List for this afternoon:

1. Fix Chinese unit 2651 as per Michael.
2. Check into Kasagi--Katsuragi devices issue.
3. Give French SS a seaplane.
4. Check Wasp DB Issue
5. Add Shipyard 5 to Clemson AVD requirements.

Anything else?