converting tanks

wieschi · Post by **wieschi** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 1:03 pm

at the beginning of a possum game, i changed a lot of tank-divisions to the t-26 tank. (Their were thousands of them in the pool)
Now (October 1941) i can`t change these divisions back to other better tanks, like the t-34.
the forces in a korps are from left to right: tanks, artillery, squads and tanks. i can`t change the tanks on the right side. These are my t-26`s.

why and when can i change the tanks? My t-26 pool is nearly empty.

Tom1939 · Post by **Tom1939** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 4:18 pm

Hi!

You cannot change them back. They will be upgraded automaticly if you have enough better tanks. I don't now which is the type they upgrade to though.

wieschi · Post by **wieschi** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:21 pm

uuuuuuaaaaaaahhhhhhhh !!!!!

Oh no, this is not true, please.
The half of my tankist`s are driving this little toys.

In my mind, I see a tank battle between my T-26 and Panthers.
What a lovely dream for the soviets.

This rule only belongs to the two different types of T-26`s ???

But on the other hand, it must be hard for my counterpart, when these little sweet T-26`s are rolling through Berlin.

okay, I´m still learning.

Tom1939 · Post by **Tom1939** » Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:52 pm

Hi!

There are some other types as well which couldn't be changed back. I think bt-5 is one of them. The best way to spot that is with clicking at the corps. Normaly you will see the following graphic from left to right: tanks, different guns, recon vehicles and then infantry squads. But with possum sometimes you will see some tanks right to the infantry squads. Now these are the tanks which can not be changed (I think this is true to the germans and soviets as well). But I think after a time they will be automaticly upgraded if you have enough tanks produced. But some of them might see Berlin:)

And if t26's meet the panthers they will be slaughtered. That way the low strength t26 units will be upgraded to better tanks much faster. Good news, isn' it?

Oh, yes be carefull with shermans in the late game as I think they cannot be changed back as well. Much more annoying as you "produce" those craps. Who wants to see shermans with t34/85's or jsII's around? Only the germans I say...

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:08 am

Originally posted by Tom1939
Oh, yes be carefull with shermans in the late game as I think they cannot be changed back as well. Much more annoying as you "produce" those craps. Who wants to see shermans with t34/85's or jsII's around? Only the germans I say...

Not the German infantry.... That's the problem with those pesky Shermans, they're all over the place.

Tom1939 · Post by **Tom1939** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 11:40 am

Originally posted by Ed Cogburn
Not the German infantry.... That's the problem with those pesky Shermans, they're all over the place.

But as the soviet tanks cannot cry for air support (few hundred typhoons to help) when a few tigers begin to massacre them, there will be fewer and fewer of them very fast on the eastern front:)

Joke aside shermans were good against infantry, moved well and were reliable. But they were doomed when they met the "zoo" (tigers, panthers). I think it is well simulated with their data in wir.

Maybe you Ed can answer me one question. It should have a good reason. Why were the sherman firefly's not produced in much greater number. Too few from those powerfull guns? Too hard to change the production? As I know with the excellent turret speed and high punching power this firefly's were much much more efficient against the german heavies then the "ordinary" shermans.

Ed Cogburn · Post by **Ed Cogburn** » Wed Apr 30, 2003 12:18 pm

Originally posted by Tom1939
Maybe you Ed can answer me one question. It should have a good reason. Why were the sherman firefly's not produced in much greater number. Too few from those powerfull guns? Too hard to change the production? As I know with the excellent turret speed and high punching power this firefly's were much much more efficient against the german heavies then the "ordinary" shermans.

The main reason was that neither the American or British high command had an understanding of tank warfare the way the Germans did from fighting on the Eastern Front. The Western Allies persisted in seeing the tank as an infantry assault weapon and not as a tank killer. So the Brits had their own cruiser tanks and the Yanks had their 76mm tank destroyers as their "solution" to the "tank problem", and refitting Shermans for the 17pdr never had a high priority. There were only about 2,000 built.

I would have liked to have been a fly on the wall and seen the reaction when the tankers high command first started getting the reports that they were losing 8 Shermans to kill just one Panther.