Float like a butterfly, sting like a bee, Docup(A)-Koniu(J)
Moderators: wdolson, MOD_War-in-the-Pacific-Admirals-Edition
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
10 December 1944
Burma
Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one.
Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese)
Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng.
KB
Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed.
Yamato.
All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be.
188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:]
Burma
Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one.
Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese)
Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng.
KB
Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed.
Yamato.
All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be.
188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:]
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
10 December 1944
Burma
Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one.
Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese)
Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng.
KB
Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed.
Yamato.
All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be.
188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:]
This is odd, but I've seen it a lot too. Maybe some way of saying that the repair yard simply can't do any more than high priority with this job.
With 5 forts you may still hold one more time at Raheng. The Chinese don't do well against forts, and after they drop them to 4 during the attack you'll still have that and the x2 terrain. Either way you'll most likely inflict a lot of losses on the Allies too.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
10 December 1944
Burma
Allies para-drop in Udon Thani. They capture base in day one.
Japan have 1250AV in Rahaeng (2x terrain 5 fort) but allies have 5000AV[X(](1200 is Chinese)
Only what can save me is that they dont have open supply path so maybe if i hold one two initial attacks i will be able to retreat. I will probably lose two ID. They will not retreat on time before i lose Rahaeng.
KB
Fleet in new base. Refueled and rearmed.
Yamato.
All sys and engine damage repaired. 36 flood damage still need to be.
188 days (100 size dry dock, high priority). Strangely when priority is normal or critical repair time is 270 days[&:]
This is odd, but I've seen it a lot too. Maybe some way of saying that the repair yard simply can't do any more than high priority with this job.
With 5 forts you may still hold one more time at Raheng. The Chinese don't do well against forts, and after they drop them to 4 during the attack you'll still have that and the x2 terrain. Either way you'll most likely inflict a lot of losses on the Allies too.
I hope You are right about Rahaeng
Other thing worth mentioning:
K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai.
Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets.
(I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai.
Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets.
(I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential
Great thinking!
What kind of defence did you have at Udon? 1/3rd of a RTA division?
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
No troops. Base was empty as global Thailand evacuation plan is on move. Keeping troops there at this point of war is not best idea. Open terrain and 4E raid is not healthy for Japanese troops. Those troops that where there are now resting in Vietnam.ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: koniu
K-83 production is moving fast, in less than week i plan to upgrade 200th Sentai.
Combat baptism is planed on Christmas Eave. I already chose potential targets.
(I chose places i know have CAP but have ~100 planes only. Probably old generation models. Also target must be behind Ki-84r range i want to force Docup to keep CAP in more places to make frontal bases less CAPed) Depending on loses i also hoping to use Ki-83 as long range escort. In limited way but it will alow me to use medium bombers at full potential
Great thinking!
What kind of defence did you have at Udon? 1/3rd of a RTA division?
Capturing Udon Thani now actually dont change much. I am in middle of evacuation toward Vietnam already
RTA is no more. They surrender 6 month ago. I have only Japanese troops now in region.
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
RTA is no more. They surrender 6 month ago. I have only Japanese troops now in region.
Duh, Sometimes it is hard to remember how late you are in the game!
So very well played.[&o]
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
10-11 December 1944
Thailand
DA in Rahaeng. Japanese troops hold. First day was 4:1 but lucky allied troop get probably tired and disorganized and even i suffer bigger loses i hold with 1:2 AV ratio. This make me optimistic. If i hold for another day, two more IDs will enter hex from West. That dont change battle result and they will be probably crashed but at lest there is chance to avoid being cut off.
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 90717 troops, 1243 guns, 958 vehicles, Assault Value = 5124
Defending force 40662 troops, 520 guns, 763 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 3357
Japanese adjusted defense: 833
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
4465 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 274 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 50 disabled
Guns lost 155 (5 destroyed, 150 disabled)
Vehicles lost 66 (8 destroyed, 58 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2127 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 214 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Vehicles lost 115 (25 destroyed, 90 disabled)
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Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 94230 troops, 1371 guns, 956 vehicles, Assault Value = 4873
Defending force 37410 troops, 519 guns, 756 vehicles, Assault Value = 859
Allied adjusted assault: 721
Japanese adjusted defense: 1573
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
3784 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 371 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled
Guns lost 128 (26 destroyed, 102 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (7 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1360 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 108 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Thailand
DA in Rahaeng. Japanese troops hold. First day was 4:1 but lucky allied troop get probably tired and disorganized and even i suffer bigger loses i hold with 1:2 AV ratio. This make me optimistic. If i hold for another day, two more IDs will enter hex from West. That dont change battle result and they will be probably crashed but at lest there is chance to avoid being cut off.
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 90717 troops, 1243 guns, 958 vehicles, Assault Value = 5124
Defending force 40662 troops, 520 guns, 763 vehicles, Assault Value = 1198
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4
Allied adjusted assault: 3357
Japanese adjusted defense: 833
Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 4)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
4465 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 274 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 50 disabled
Guns lost 155 (5 destroyed, 150 disabled)
Vehicles lost 66 (8 destroyed, 58 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2127 casualties reported
Squads: 12 destroyed, 214 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 59 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Vehicles lost 115 (25 destroyed, 90 disabled)
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Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 94230 troops, 1371 guns, 956 vehicles, Assault Value = 4873
Defending force 37410 troops, 519 guns, 756 vehicles, Assault Value = 859
Allied adjusted assault: 721
Japanese adjusted defense: 1573
Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
3784 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 371 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 31 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled
Guns lost 128 (26 destroyed, 102 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (7 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1360 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 108 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 23 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 35 disabled
Guns lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)
Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low.
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another dayORIGINAL: obvert
Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low.
Very interesting.
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Thanks for posting the fight at Raheng. Very interesting, and prescient for my game.[:)]
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: koniu
They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another dayORIGINAL: obvert
Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low.
Very interesting.
Yes. i'm sure that's it too. So you'll be doing a bit of close in LR CAP over that hex to I'll bet! [:)]
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: obvert
ORIGINAL: koniu
They could be also low on supplies now. They attack two times in row, and all that huge army have no road connection with friendly base so supplies must travel trough jungle. So i hope i will have another dayORIGINAL: obvert
Not losing a fort on the second day was huge. There is a chance to hold once more, but the Allies did not take much damage unfortunately. They must be tired though if their adjustment was so low.
Very interesting.
Yes. i'm sure that's it too. So you'll be doing a bit of close in LR CAP over that hex to I'll bet! [:)]
Yest there was LCAP. I lost 55 fighters for 15 allied fighters and 20 bombers.
But good news is that base hold another day. Tomorrow two IDs (one fresh ans second at 65% shape will enter base from hex west of Rahaeng) and from there they will be forced to retreat base to SE. As suspected allies are short on supplies.
I will abandon one small eng unit in west hex this will probably buy me one more day
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 112770 troops, 1627 guns, 1081 vehicles, Assault Value = 4771
Defending force 34136 troops, 503 guns, 750 vehicles, Assault Value = 522
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3
Allied adjusted assault: 897
Japanese adjusted defense: 267
Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)
Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), supply(-)
Attacker: supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
5306 casualties reported
Squads: 90 destroyed, 278 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 216 disabled
Engineers: 30 destroyed, 47 disabled
Guns lost 173 (93 destroyed, 80 disabled)
Vehicles lost 55 (10 destroyed, 45 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
563 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 77 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 24 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Vehicles lost 32 (4 destroyed, 28 disabled)
After battle all those 4 ID in Rahaeng will be (i hope) evacuated to Manila when they rest for some time. They should be ready to fight in few weeks.
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
13 December 1944
Rahaeng
Another bloody day. Two IDs and some arty units enter base from West.
They hold but suffer major loses.
Allies also shock attack trough river and capture Uttaradit (East of Rahaeng)
Everything with wheels or legs is moving toward base SE of Rahaeng. I hope i have enough time.
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 113708 troops, 1627 guns, 1112 vehicles, Assault Value = 4707
Defending force 55679 troops, 824 guns, 1000 vehicles, Assault Value = 817
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Allied adjusted assault: 627
Japanese adjusted defense: 2619
Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
4277 casualties reported
Squads: 150 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 118 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 101 (27 destroyed, 74 disabled)
Vehicles lost 33 (8 destroyed, 25 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2734 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 250 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 96 disabled
Guns lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (4 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Ambon and Namlea
Both bases DA today. Both hold.
It is over 2 months and allies cant get trough defense lines.
Rahaeng
Another bloody day. Two IDs and some arty units enter base from West.
They hold but suffer major loses.
Allies also shock attack trough river and capture Uttaradit (East of Rahaeng)
Everything with wheels or legs is moving toward base SE of Rahaeng. I hope i have enough time.
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 113708 troops, 1627 guns, 1112 vehicles, Assault Value = 4707
Defending force 55679 troops, 824 guns, 1000 vehicles, Assault Value = 817
Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2
Allied adjusted assault: 627
Japanese adjusted defense: 2619
Allied assault odds: 1 to 4 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: supply(-)
Japanese ground losses:
4277 casualties reported
Squads: 150 destroyed, 173 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 118 disabled
Engineers: 13 destroyed, 23 disabled
Guns lost 101 (27 destroyed, 74 disabled)
Vehicles lost 33 (8 destroyed, 25 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
2734 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 250 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 96 disabled
Guns lost 33 (2 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 31 (4 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Ambon and Namlea
Both bases DA today. Both hold.
It is over 2 months and allies cant get trough defense lines.
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Amazing you're holding this long. I thought you were getting out a few days ago? What are you waiting for? [:D]
"Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
I moving. But this is combat mode do 6 miles daily.ORIGINAL: obvert
Amazing you're holding this long. I thought you were getting out a few days ago? What are you waiting for? [:D]
Orginal crashed IDs still need to move 14 miles. Those that enter base today 46.
At lest he will not cut of me. Units will be reduce to 0AV but after 2-3 months in Manila they will back to shape.
Now i know that i should start evac week earlier
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
14 December 1944
Rahaeng
Troops still marching. many should retreat from base in 48h
Allies DA again. This time they suffer more damage.
I start believing i can retreat from that Pocket
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 69671 troops, 974 guns, 432 vehicles, Assault Value = 4435
Defending force 52414 troops, 796 guns, 993 vehicles, Assault Value = 636
Allied adjusted assault: 353
Japanese adjusted defense: 1111
Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1348 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 47 (19 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1571 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 153 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Bloody battle allies lost so far 8000 men in week, japan 19000
Ambon
Allied BB SAG intercept small APD SAG in base hex. It was attempt to unload some supplies in base. Two APD lost.
Allies DA in Ambon and Namlea, bases hold but forts go down. I belie it is a meter of days when both bases will fall
Rahaeng
Troops still marching. many should retreat from base in 48h
Allies DA again. This time they suffer more damage.
I start believing i can retreat from that Pocket
Ground combat at Rahaeng (58,56)
Allied Deliberate attack
Attacking force 69671 troops, 974 guns, 432 vehicles, Assault Value = 4435
Defending force 52414 troops, 796 guns, 993 vehicles, Assault Value = 636
Allied adjusted assault: 353
Japanese adjusted defense: 1111
Allied assault odds: 1 to 3 (fort level 2)
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1348 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 76 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 47 (19 destroyed, 28 disabled)
Vehicles lost 16 (4 destroyed, 12 disabled)
Allied ground losses:
1571 casualties reported
Squads: 20 destroyed, 153 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Guns lost 12 (1 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Bloody battle allies lost so far 8000 men in week, japan 19000
Ambon
Allied BB SAG intercept small APD SAG in base hex. It was attempt to unload some supplies in base. Two APD lost.
Allies DA in Ambon and Namlea, bases hold but forts go down. I belie it is a meter of days when both bases will fall
"Only the Dead Have Seen the End of War"
RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Will you rail out or just keep walking once you get out of the contested hex?
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RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
Keep delaying him without wrecking yourself. You are doing fantastic! [:)]

RE: Docup (A) vs Koniu (J)
ORIGINAL: obvert
Will you rail out or just keep walking once you get out of the contested hex?
Plan is to rail them out. But I need to keep AF open. I keep heavy cap in base and have decent reserve. 300+ planes on CAP and 450 in reserve for rotation.
First wave should retreat easily problem can be with second wave of retreating units but i have plan for that to.
Walking is no doable. Open hex and no CAP, he will destroy me in days.
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