Turnaround? Lowpe (J) vs Tiemanj (A) Stock

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Obvert, do you still have any data from your game with Joc? If yes, could you look up the bomber losses you inflicted on him B29s, B24s etc.

If not, no big deal, but at several points you really forced him to stop bombing for periods and I am curious how many planes you destroyed to get that result.

Cheers,

I have a few saves, but not too many. What period are you interested in seeing?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Thats a pretty big omission on my part!

I do know all my bomber pools was completely dry though. Even the 2Es. Had to stop bombing for something like 3-4 months just to recover and get squadrons up to full strength.

That is one of the reasons I am really interested...such a great game. Rollercoaster![&o]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Obvert, do you still have any data from your game with Joc? If yes, could you look up the bomber losses you inflicted on him B29s, B24s etc.

If not, no big deal, but at several points you really forced him to stop bombing for periods and I am curious how many planes you destroyed to get that result.

Cheers,

I have a few saves, but not too many. What period are you interested in seeing?

Really anywhere..after B29's started showing -- or heavy bomber losses at the end of the game. Many thanks for doing this!

[Lowpe]

Dec 26, 1943

Moonlight 0%. No night bombing. I have a destroyer squadron that could run into Port Blair or Cap Nicobar and tangle with his PT boats, and at Port Blair a minesweeping squadron is present probably with LCTs. Dare I risk it with 0 moon?

Japanese motorboats are really starting to flow out of the shipyards. Pretty hard to figure good uses for them....but with moonlight at 0%, I think I might form a squadron at Saipan and see if I can catch something at Tinian/Guam.

Japan continues to punish the obsolete Hurricane....well, obsolete against George.

[topeverest]

While I haven't started a scenario in some time, as I recall, there are a smattering of B29-1 in March / April 44. They are not terribly menacing. By May, they start coming in methodically. the 29-25 and then the 29-B have greater ranges and payloads and make them terrors.

Most players use the 20K rule for 4E, so in those cases they will not be immediately impactful nor be able to destroy massive amounts of the economy in one attack. But it will hurt.

Look below at the progression highlighted in Red
--- 10 500 pound bombs up to 20 hexes in B24
--- 20 500 pound bombs up to 35 hexes b29-1
--- 36 500 pound bombs up to 40 hexes b29-b

[Lowpe]

A damaged 3500 ton oiler gets finished off by American subs...[:(]

I have managed to pull 80K oil from Babeldoab, only 20K left. This was oil from Bolo, at risk since the Allies are in the Marianas.

No attack in Chungking, fatigue too high and I want to avoid a fight where forts don't drop. I am moving all fatigued units out, so it will be a week before the next attack. Taking Lok's advice here. Heavy bombing and bombarding still occurring, seems to be knocking down Chinese AV by about 50 a day.

Thailand:

Cut the Allied supply line on the Chiang Mai/Tuang Gyi road several days ago. Allied response is fast and furious with troops moving against them from all over.

Somehow the Allies got a unit in the jungle one hex north of Raheng?[&:] I have no idea where it came from...my troops are getting supplies and reinforcements there and can probably fight them off, but it means switching the movement mode to combat.

The defenders north of Uttaradit are starting to bother me...they are in a slow hex and I wouldn't want to see them cut off and bypassed. Mostly are swiftly moving infantry with the exception of one artillery unit and two AA. Hmm.

Allies split there bombing forces and hit Ayuthia sp? north of Bangkok and also Battambang. I had railed a Helen Sentai into Battambang, detection showed up so I moved them out. Allies are really good at bombing like this, but normally they never bomb where there is no detection levels. This keeps my air force jumping around quite a lot, and also gives me the chance for an ambush. Today I had 350 fighters over another base close to Battambang. One day I will catch him.

Ship building: I have been playing with accelerating some builds. I still need tankers, as I have 500K oil at Singers, 250K at the Miri complex, 450K at Manila, Palembang/Sumatra is fairly well drained. So tankers are accelerated.

I have accelerated the first group of LSTs. They look really neat. I did not accelerate the APDs, but I have thought about.

All E's and DD and a CL are accelerated. Some CVs are as well. Remaining CVEs are stopped. I turned off most subs for now but will start them again every couple of days as the ships steam out for trials.

[Lowpe]

No moon, means the MTB are heading out of Saipan. Two groups...and I have started getting the 29 knot race boats too with 1000 endurance. Woohoo. Have to figure out a special use for them.

Sweeping Chiang Mai again. Normally, I never, ever do this. That is sweep a base a second time. But, I will today![:D]

1944 around the corner!

[Lowpe]

Dec 27, 1943

No night bombing. The appearance of the Irving S and I guess my use of Dinahs on night time CAP have really stopped his bombing. A tactical mistake on his part, I think, he should be using night bombing on any target outside of Escort range be it airport, port, or industry.

During the dark night the MTBs find a target: we launched four torpedoes and all the MTB got away, the worst was damaged only 16% system.

[Lowpe]

Chungking bombed and bombarded, a raw AV drop in the defenders of Chungking by 200 from yesterday. That is nice.[:)] I will lose a sentai of Helens at the end of the year (withdraw, and another 5 days into the New Year).

Allies bomb heavily the defenders on the Bangkok to Moulmein road. They are using lousy dive bombers, which is my idea (in fact he got it from me I think), because it causes all the defenders to shoot something usually. The Allies followup land attack is at 1-9 and we actually destroy 30+ combat squads. Probably from the large Chinese Corp that is there (what a great sponge...it started around 800AV I think, and is now in the 600s several fights later).

In the jungle north of Raheng, shocker![X(] A full Yank Division plus a British Armored Brigade attack...gotta love the jungle, my hodge podge of defenders manage to nail a 1-1 and punish the Yanks more than we suffer. I might have to call off the movement out of that hex and reinforce! Once again the 33rd ID, which had been down to 2AV when the retreat begin, managed to rally back up to 50 for this latest fight. The troops here are getting supply and reinforcements. No matter what I am getting my two Tank Regiments out, they don't have tanks anymore and fighting in the jungle is no place for them. They need two weeks drinking Slushes in Singers.

Looks like he wants to enter Raheng thru the jungle...and not force a river crossing north of Uttardit.

Hmm...

Advance on Mergui seems stopped for now.

1st Tank Division, 4th ID, and 14th ID are all on the road north of Bangkok. A mixed brigade, amphibious brigade, tank regiment and some RTA division are on the way too plus your normal artillery. It is the artillery that really makes a defensive position...and I have some 30cm and 24cm big boys squaring off against the Allies here. Worth every penny to buy out from Manchuko.





The Vinh line looks like it will be really important in this game, and I am rushing engineers to prepare the ground. There is already some reserve regiments assembling at Vinh. Sure, it can be amphibiously bypassed, but not till after Singers falls or Java or most likely the PI. This will be an important line for 1944. For a while I hope at least.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: topeverest

While I haven't started a scenario in some time, as I recall, there are a smattering of B29-1 in March / April 44. They are not terribly menacing. By May, they start coming in methodically. the 29-25 and then the 29-B have greater ranges and payloads and make them terrors.

Most players use the 20K rule for 4E, so in those cases they will not be immediately impactful nor be able to destroy massive amounts of the economy in one attack. But it will hurt.

Look below at the progression highlighted in Red
--- 10 500 pound bombs up to 20 hexes in B24
--- 20 500 pound bombs up to 35 hexes b29-1
--- 36 500 pound bombs up to 40 hexes b29-b

No house rule on altitude I think. I believe we have one on naval attacks. Right now, the Allies don't seem inclined to attack my industry which is nice, and we have a serious boon in no strategic bombing in China...but I am unclear if that simply pertains to me and it is fair game for the Allies. Afraid to ask, since currently no strategic bombing is going on, and I like it that way. It will be what it will be.

Supply stands at 5.6millions, with 6 millions of fuel and oil combined. I want to hit 6 million supply, but growth has stalled with the hideously expensive Chungking operation and Thailand defence. Well, stalled isn't the right word, slowed, is better. Only about 95K of supply growth in the last 30 days. However, I did expand the Jack factory by a whopping 20 points, and added some engines too...all costly. This month we tighten our belts.[:)]

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: topeverest

While I haven't started a scenario in some time, as I recall, there are a smattering of B29-1 in March / April 44. They are not terribly menacing. By May, they start coming in methodically. the 29-25 and then the 29-B have greater ranges and payloads and make them terrors.

Most players use the 20K rule for 4E, so in those cases they will not be immediately impactful nor be able to destroy massive amounts of the economy in one attack. But it will hurt.

Look below at the progression highlighted in Red
--- 10 500 pound bombs up to 20 hexes in B24
--- 20 500 pound bombs up to 35 hexes b29-1
--- 36 500 pound bombs up to 40 hexes b29-b

I'm confused by most of what you've said here. ALL B-29s are menacing!

Also, what is this with 'the 20K rule.' Never heard of that. Why would it exist when most B-29 bombing happened from 6-8k? A lot of earlier 4E bombing took place way below 20k as well.

Anyways. The B-29 is a powerhouse, and whatever is in range will be hurting if the Allied player is smart about his targets. There just aren't enough NF and decent AA to go around.

[Lowpe]

This day we are sweeping with George versus his LRCAP which should be Hellcats. Need to start killing them, but my goodness he gets a ton of them through out the game.

Japan lost only 2 planes yesterday, despite the heavy bombing on Chungking; Allies lost 10.

I have pretty much sidelined by 10 knot sub chasers for now...I use them in short range escorts around the HI where I am ferrying troops. But no patrolling with them. E's are going into my rather largish tanker convoys. I have three over 100,000 capacity, and thanks to AVs, and Es, and one DD or CL boss ship haven't lost anything yet.

[Rio Bravo]

ORIGINAL: obvert

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe



Chungking - forts level 2. 750 fresh AV moving in, will get me darn close to 5K, while Chinese AV will be under 1,000.

Will attack in 2 again in 2 days.

Doublecheck your division leaders... I didn't settle for anything less than 61 Land AND 61 Inspiration, as both affect effective AV. You want to be getting at least 1:1 odds, or more, for a good chance to continue to drop the forts. Once forts are at 1, the city will be yours in just 2-3 more properly-timed attacks. With them at 2, the end is definitely in sight, but you want to be careful that you don't squander an attack. Especially since you are at the end of 1943 already. If it costs you a week... it might make all the difference in terms of roadblocking the Allies somewhere else.

There are so many good generals in the IJA it's crazy. I just choose high everything! [:D]

Ummm, this was not pleasant news!

*chuckling*

And hello Lowpe and Obvert.

[Lowpe]

Dec 28, 1943

No night bombing.

Japan continues her incredible streak of inflicting more plane losses on the Allies for another day with a well timed sweep over the defenders of the Moulmein/Bangkok road.

Georges run into and then trash superior planes in an excellent dogfight. Bolts, Cats, Spits, and Hurricanes. After the Sweep, the Allies sweep 4 times and then decide to bomb the troops there. Thank goodness it is x3 terrain. I need to be careful not to expose IJA troopers in the open, they will be dead meat very quickly!

[Lowpe]

The Allies continue attacking with deliberate attacks on the Moulmein/Bangkok road and the jungles north of Raheng.

Allies bombard on the Raheng/Moulmein road but the Japanese Hvy Art destroys 6 Allied tubes and 4 vehicles for no Japanese loss.

[Lowpe]

A near run thing!

[topeverest]

can you post a world map?

[Lowpe]

The world, end of December.

[Lowpe]

This turn I am resting my Georges, but hitting Cap Nicobar's port which has LCTs and PT boats disbanded.

More moving of forces and resupply and raw material shipping. I have gotten Singers to the low 400K in oil, and in another 2 weeks it should be under 100K. Gotta love large tanker fleet runs.

Naha is building up nicely, Daito gets another regiment, Iwo some Heavy Artillery (finally).

The Tabby unit is onboard, and training for now, until production starts in a few days.

Nick D the night fighter will start in January. Already have nice pools of the Sa Irving, but the Frances NF should be along before June. Same with the Peggy NF.

1944 will be a tough year, as if 1943 wasn't.[:)]

[topeverest]

How are you doing building banks of resources oil fuel in the HI's?

have you drawn down you economy or stopped any naval builds yet?