
Pelton(GHC) vs smokindave34 Turn 211 Game Complete DRAW
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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Turn 66 GHC Armaments: 150,000 Manpower in Pool: 195,000 VP:253


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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Turn 67 GHC Armaments: 152,000 Manpower in Pool: 194,000 VP:256
SHC OOB: 7.0 million and 1 Corp, 11 divisions and 2 brigades are in several small pockets.
Stalingrad falls

SHC OOB: 7.0 million and 1 Corp, 11 divisions and 2 brigades are in several small pockets.
Stalingrad falls

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Basicly out flanking SHC strong defenses along the river.


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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
The last turn of summer sees another pocket formed and another VP cut off.
The front will shorten for GHC during mud.
The last few VP I can grab near Moscow or out here or at Buka.

The front will shorten for GHC during mud.
The last few VP I can grab near Moscow or out here or at Buka.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Turn 74 GHC Armaments: 150,000 Manpower in Pool: 194,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,250,000
GHC OOB: 3,900,000
Not much has changed over the last 5 turns other then SHC OOB has moved up about 200,000 men.
German armaments and manpower has been static.
AGA has moved several hexes closer to the last few VP's and have a possible large pocket in the making.
On turn 78 the rivers and swamps should be frozen and should open up some different areas to attack into.

SHC OOB: 7,250,000
GHC OOB: 3,900,000
Not much has changed over the last 5 turns other then SHC OOB has moved up about 200,000 men.
German armaments and manpower has been static.
AGA has moved several hexes closer to the last few VP's and have a possible large pocket in the making.
On turn 78 the rivers and swamps should be frozen and should open up some different areas to attack into.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Turn 78 GHC Armaments: 212,000 Manpower in Pool: 285,000 VP:256
SHC OOB: 7,330,000
GHC OOB: 3,967,000
One Corp and 11 divisions cut off and 1 VP.
Dave is also making a push south of his rail line towards Stalingrad.

SHC OOB: 7,330,000
GHC OOB: 3,967,000
One Corp and 11 divisions cut off and 1 VP.
Dave is also making a push south of his rail line towards Stalingrad.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
Turn 79 GHC Armaments: 218,000 Manpower in Pool: 288,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -160,000
GHC OOB: 3,974,000 +10,000

SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -160,000
GHC OOB: 3,974,000 +10,000

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
that's a tight race.
Chkalov is an interesting town.
Chkalov is an interesting town.
RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 25
ORIGINAL: Wuffer
that's a tight race.
Chkalov is an interesting town.
Game is dragging both sides are beat up and OOB's are growing so so slowly.
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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 80 VP: 258
Turn 80 GHC Armaments: 212,000 Manpower in Pool: 273,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -15,000
GHC OOB: 3,992,000 +18,000
Turn 70
SHC OOB: 7,250,000
GHC OOB: 3,900,000
I think the most interesting thing is over the last 10 turns GHC OOB is up 92k and SHC down -80k and armaments and
manpower pool is up for Germany.
No pockets just strait up combat. I also see across the front SHC CV slowing going down even in units not in combat.
I am guessing the losses of industry have crippled SHC industry.

SHC OOB: 7,170,000 -15,000
GHC OOB: 3,992,000 +18,000
Turn 70
SHC OOB: 7,250,000
GHC OOB: 3,900,000
I think the most interesting thing is over the last 10 turns GHC OOB is up 92k and SHC down -80k and armaments and
manpower pool is up for Germany.
No pockets just strait up combat. I also see across the front SHC CV slowing going down even in units not in combat.
I am guessing the losses of industry have crippled SHC industry.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 80 VP: 258
Turn 88 GHC Armaments: 210,000 Manpower in Pool: 177,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,247,000 +74,000
GHC OOB: 4,226,000 +232,000
My manpower pool remains high and same for armaments + I have 4.2 million men crazy stuff. My OOB is growing faster then his, I believe because I control so many of his manpower centers.
Last turn I went over to the defensive, I simply can't push to any citys and hes got more ants then I do.
So I started to reorganize and will try and hold the lines for as long as possible, before trading space for time.
North of the Oka no action at all, I have several lines of forts and my best infantry with most of the new units strengthening the lines.
I am attacking any hexes I think I can win to try and keep his OOB as low as possible and grind some morale

SHC OOB: 7,247,000 +74,000
GHC OOB: 4,226,000 +232,000
My manpower pool remains high and same for armaments + I have 4.2 million men crazy stuff. My OOB is growing faster then his, I believe because I control so many of his manpower centers.
Last turn I went over to the defensive, I simply can't push to any citys and hes got more ants then I do.
So I started to reorganize and will try and hold the lines for as long as possible, before trading space for time.
North of the Oka no action at all, I have several lines of forts and my best infantry with most of the new units strengthening the lines.
I am attacking any hexes I think I can win to try and keep his OOB as low as possible and grind some morale

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 88 VP: 258
In the south some fighting out by the romanians


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Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258
Turn 90 Turns left: 112 with 30 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles
GHC Armaments: 168,000 Manpower in Pool: 128,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,290,000 +22,000
GHC OOB: 4,226,000 -10,000
Oka North: I started changing over to reserve reaction set-up. All new units, new FZ's and 2 Panzer Corp from south
have been moved to AGN's area of operations. The best commanders and SU's are now in this area.
I am expecting some offensive operation, so I should have more then enough to counter it during the summer months. Manpower and armaments have started dropping off.

GHC Armaments: 168,000 Manpower in Pool: 128,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,290,000 +22,000
GHC OOB: 4,226,000 -10,000
Oka North: I started changing over to reserve reaction set-up. All new units, new FZ's and 2 Panzer Corp from south
have been moved to AGN's area of operations. The best commanders and SU's are now in this area.
I am expecting some offensive operation, so I should have more then enough to counter it during the summer months. Manpower and armaments have started dropping off.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258
Oka South: I been able to hold the line other then northeast and east of Stalingrad. Not sure that the distance to Berlin is but its a allot longer then 980 miles 
Never been this far east so I am not sure how I will play the summer of 43 in this area.
I will try and simply hold the line as long as possible, could possibly give a few hexes a turn and cause truck issues. Mybe Russia already is having truck issues?
I will not be able to tell until summer, if it appears Russia is having issues then I will be able to be allot more flexable with my panzer units as it will be very hard for him to pocket units.
I have not seen many tank Corp or divisions for that matter other then near the Romanians so I be looking for them come spring.
I expect a wild summer in the south.

Never been this far east so I am not sure how I will play the summer of 43 in this area.
I will try and simply hold the line as long as possible, could possibly give a few hexes a turn and cause truck issues. Mybe Russia already is having truck issues?
I will not be able to tell until summer, if it appears Russia is having issues then I will be able to be allot more flexable with my panzer units as it will be very hard for him to pocket units.
I have not seen many tank Corp or divisions for that matter other then near the Romanians so I be looking for them come spring.
I expect a wild summer in the south.

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RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258
The soviets are damn far from Berlin, expecially on south.
The main 43 summer offensive region must be around Moscow. I have no cloe how strong are your center forces, but the only chance to capture Berlin is to attack west. The russian must pull your front line, to enjoy the numerical superiority.
However, you won this game, because is helpless without the caucasian manpower, and oild fields.
The main 43 summer offensive region must be around Moscow. I have no cloe how strong are your center forces, but the only chance to capture Berlin is to attack west. The russian must pull your front line, to enjoy the numerical superiority.
However, you won this game, because is helpless without the caucasian manpower, and oild fields.
RE: Pelton vs smokindave34 Turn 90 VP: 258
ORIGINAL: Callistrid
The soviets are damn far from Berlin, expecially on south.
The main 43 summer offensive region must be around Moscow.
I have no cloe how strong are your center forces, but the only chance to capture Berlin is to attack west.
The russian must pull your front line, to enjoy the numerical superiority.
However, you won this game, because is helpless without the caucasian manpower, and oild fields.
I am pulling more and more troops to Oka north.
I know the manpower issues as I have done the same in other games, but
do the oil fields really have a negative effect.
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Turn 95
Turn 95 Turns left: 107 with 28 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles
GHC Armaments: 120,000 Manpower in Pool: 58,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,380,000 +97,000
GHC OOB: 4,296,000 +70,000
AGN: no change other then a small pocket.

GHC Armaments: 120,000 Manpower in Pool: 58,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,380,000 +97,000
GHC OOB: 4,296,000 +70,000
AGN: no change other then a small pocket.

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RE: Turn 95
AGS lost a city.


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RE: Turn 95
If Dave puts most of his mobile forces in the area east of Stalingrad for the summer, I'm not sure that helps much. Sooner or later you are sitting on the west bank of the Volga and as we all know major river crossings are hard to pull off except when frozen in winter. Even if he then flanks you to the south you can just fall back to the Don. As Callistrid points out, better for the Soviets to try something farther west. If not Moscow, maybe drive south southwest in the Saransk-Penza area.
RE: Turn 95
ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS
If Dave puts most of his mobile forces in the area east of Stalingrad for the summer, I'm not sure that helps much. Sooner or later you are sitting on the west bank of the Volga and as we all know major river crossings are hard to pull off except when frozen in winter. Even if he then flanks you to the south you can just fall back to the Don. As Callistrid points out, better for the Soviets to try something farther west. If not Moscow, maybe drive south southwest in the Saransk-Penza area.
Its 43 and driving in terrain that can be easly defended simply is not going to happen until Dec 43 at best. From recon all his mobile divisions are east of Stalingrad 15+ hexes from railheads, the longest pt from Berlin
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