Pelton(GHC) vs smokindave34 Turn 211 Game Complete DRAW

[Peltonx]

Turn 100 Turns left: 111 Mud turns: 26 Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles

GHC Armaments: 214,000 Manpower in Pool: 66,000 VP:258
SHC OOB: 7,455,000 +75,000
GHC OOB: 4,307,000 +11,000

AGN is Oka north, my best infantry divisions, best SUs, good generals in the front line.
Then a 2nd row of infantry regiments set on reserve. AGN also and 2x stacked infantry Oka to just north of Moscow, plus a 3rd row of OKH's best panzers set on reserve where Stavka
has the highest CVs. This area is NOT moving for a while.


AGC sets up for RR. This area is 110 to 140 hexes from Moscow so I be more then happy to give ground.

AGS pulls back behind the river or puts a few miles between it and SHC, this area is where I expect a major attack to happen.

[Peltonx]

AGA pulls back in most cases, this area is so far from Berlin I stopped counting.

[chaos45]

ya I think smokin can just about concede this one....your still past stalingrad in mid 1943 and you have a massive German OOB....not to mention you will never lose the axis allied at this point so will have some hungarians and romanians as security troops cannon fodder to help soak losses.

Soviets dont even have a 2:1 edge and due to the length of the frontline have very little ability to concentrate anywhere before probably 1944.....

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: chaos45

ya I think smokin can just about concede this one....your still past stalingrad in mid 1943 and you have a massive German OOB....not to mention you will never lose the axis allied at this point so will have some hungarians and romanians as security troops cannon fodder to help soak losses.

Soviets dont even have a 2:1 edge and due to the length of the frontline have very little ability to concentrate anywhere before probably 1944.....

Not sure if hes having truck shortages or what, but we are at 105 which means we had 3 clear turns.

In many cases he drives me from a hex and cant move in because of a lack of MP's, I see very few tank/cav or mech divisions.

But we are about to start summer of 43 so we see.

He has some huge Corps North of Oka around Moscow and has attacked 11 times for 0 wins, where he is winning is 130+ hexes from Berlin with 96 turns left with 24 being mud.

Its possible he might get a draw, but Berlin seems out of the question.

[Peltonx]

Turn 105 Turns left: 106 with 24 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles
Hex to turn ratio: +14

GHC Armaments: 258,000 Manpower in Pool: 28,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,600,000 +145,000
GHC OOB: 4,307,000 -26,000

---------Win---------Held---------Ratio

SHC-----37------------43----------46%
Total:---37------------43----------46%
Tempo: 27 attacks per turn.

Oka North has held against all 11 attacks. The next 16 clear turns will tell allot.

[Peltonx]

The Volga Front has lost several hexes but the lines are hold.

[Peltonx]

Just hoping to hold the eastern Volga for a few turns.

[lowtech]

At this point will there be anything like a possible historical Soviet Offensive, Bagration etc? I don't mean as catastrophic for the Axis as Pelton has Out-Generaled the Greatest Leader of all Time (tm) [:D] but it seems like the Soviets have little chance of even breaking the Axis line in any meaningful way.

I assume Soviets have complete dominance of the air.

[M60A3TTS]

His supply situation has to be brutal in the far south. There is no working railhead for at least 200 miles. If those are armor or mech units on the flank, he must be consuming trucks as fast as they come in. If mud shows up, he could lose thousands more trucks.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

His supply situation has to be brutal in the far south. There is no working railhead for at least 200 miles. If those are armor or mech units on the flank, he must be consuming trucks as fast as they come in. If mud shows up, he could lose thousands more trucks.

We been PMing and he says trucks are not bad atm.

no real issues ap/hvy supplies or oil.

but tempo is slow 23 attacks per turn and hes not moving many units as 3/4 of front is static.

We are 5-9 turns ahead of my posts.

lowtech I am 100% sure Dave will break my lines at some pt this summer as they are 120-130 hexes long I have not counted, but once I retreat to the 90 hexes frontage ( Rostov to Leningrad ) I am hoping to stop him there and fight tooth and nail.

Jan 44 will also be hard for me as river freeze.

[sven6345789]

Another stroke of genius of the

GRÖPAZ

Grösster Pelton aller Zeiten!

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: sven6345789

Another stroke of genius of the

GRÖPAZ

Grösster Pelton aller Zeiten!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZNl_oIA3Hs

[Peltonx]

Turn 110 Turns left: 101 with 24 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles
Hex to turn ratio: +19

GHC Armaments: 271,000 Manpower in Pool: 62,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,665,000 +65,000
GHC OOB: 4,232,000 -76,000

---------Win---------Held---------Ratio

SHC-----66------------43----------60%
Total:---99------------86----------53%
Tempo last 5 turns: 23 attacks per turn.

AGN not much of a change, Stavka has managed to take 3 hexes in 5 turns.

[Peltonx]

In the center Stavka has managed to push about 30-40 miles, Penza the yellow not fully garrisoned city is 1250 miles from Berlin. The Eastern Flank runs along the Volga and Stavka has managed to cross, but the bridgehead is 1 hex. Stalingrad is 1330 miles from Berlin.

[Peltonx]

Along the Volga east of Stalingrad, Stavka seems to have most of its tank/cav forces which are along ways from a railhead. This area is a long ways from Berlin. Stavka has managed to tale 6 hexes south of the river. Romanians and Huns hold the lines along the eastern most side of the front as Stavka is a long ways from railheads.

[Peltonx]

Turn 113 Turns left: 98 with 24 being mud. Shortest Distance to Berlin: 980 miles
Hex to turn ratio: +24

GHC Armaments: 231,000 Manpower in Pool: 72,000 VP:257
SHC OOB: 7,708,000 +00,000
GHC OOB: 4,183,000 -00,000
----------------------Win---------Held---------Ratio
SHC this turn-----14------------10------------58%
Total:-------------144------------113----------56%

Manpower pool is slowly growing.
AGN holds vs 2 attacks. No picture the area is basically static.
I have started shorting the lanes north of the Oka and transerfing divisions south.
In Jan 44 I will have to defend this northern flank with 2x stacks and panzer reserves while the eastern most divisions
slowly retreat west during blizzard. As the front shortens I will lose CV, but beable to 2x stack more and more keeping
basicly the same CV for as long as possible.

AGC holds 4 times vs 15 attacks and counter attacks 2 winning both.
I am tring to hold the northern flank while getting driven back at the eastern most point on the map X 145/Y 65,
Berlin is at X10/Y57.

[Peltonx]

Volga Front holds 4 times vs 7 attacks, this area is all the way along Volga to center.
I counter attack 4 times along the Volga where most of his mobile units are. I also move 3 more Panzer divisions to this area and 10 more fresh SUs. This area is closest to a rail head so I want to hold it as long as possible. Those counter attacks should set him back 2 turns.

[M60A3TTS]

How does it feel playing without the benefit of multiple fort belts?

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

How does it feel playing without the benefit of multiple fort belts?

no different really, just do fort belts Oka north and reserve reaction set-up on the rest of the front.

A different rule set requires a different strategy, I know where I want to be at the end of 1941 and where I want/need to be at the end of 1942, same for 43,44 and 45.

its turn 117. I am guessing dave is low on trucks, because if I withdraw 2 hexes he cant attack.

Only 4 turns of summer left and lines are solid where I want them to be and were I have 145 hexes to Berlin I can with draw
1 or 2 hexes at eastern most point and hold the flanks as I withdraw.

Once I get back to Oka to Rostov front will only be 90ish hexes instead of 160 so units will have a much tighter set-up.

Penza the yellow not fully garrisoned city is 1250 miles from Berlin.

[smokindave34]

Pelton gave me the green light to post in this AAR so I'll add a few comments and data that may help to fine tune the game (if needed).

I have no shot at reaching Berlin by the historical date but Pelton and I have decided to play on since there have been no other late war AAR's post 1.08. This is a 260VP automatic victory game and Pelton was one urban center away from victory at the end of the summer '42 campaign. I managed to barely hold on but I think that if he had concentrated his panzer ball for one more push he probably could have ended the game. I thought I handled the '41 offensive as well as I could have hoped against a player of Pelton's skill (although I forgot to rail out industry one turn which was a major rookie mistake) but Pelton's '42 offensive really put me in a bad spot. Pelton didn't achieve any huge pockets but he was masterful and pocketing a small number of units each turn and over time it really thinned out my defenses. By the end I was literally close to the end of the map and hanging on by a thread. The only thing that saved me was building loads of rifle corps when the AP cost lowered to 10 in January '43.

If I had to do it over again I don't think I'd agree to no +1 and mild blizzard, certainly not against a player of Pelton's skill. I really didn't accomplish much at all during the blizzard.

Pelton captured a lot of industry during '41 and I'm still suffering for that now. Here are my current production stats: (These numbers are from September '43)