German Howitzers?

ursus · Post by **ursus** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:09 am

I am not complaining or questioning the game, but was wondering why the germans do not have 75mm, 105mm, 150mm howitzers in the game? Historaclly did they not have them or what? I noticed the Czechs have them and they were occcupied by the germans, is this where the germans get thier How. in the game?

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 4:51 am

I just finished a solitaire scenario Nov '44; the Germans had towed 75mm and 150 mm howitzers. But remember, the on map stuff can't be used for indirect fire.

Tommy

Zorfwaddle · Post by **Zorfwaddle** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 5:07 am

Originally posted by Tommy:
I just finished a solitaire scenario Nov '44; the Germans had towed 75mm and 150 mm howitzers. But remember, the on map stuff can't be used for indirect fire.

Tommy

Thats funny, because I can do it, and Ive had a number of scenarios where the OPFOR had onboard artillery and mortars which where bombarding my positions indirectly.

I dont get the scenario Im in now tho. US Army long campaign at Kasserine (the third scenario). The Germans are advancing against my delay and I have yet to come under any indirect fire at all. Its very odd. The previous scenario (#2) vs Italy at F****** (the name escapes me) had a f***ton of offboard and onboard artillery they were employing. <<shrug>> I dont get it...

CaptainBrian · Post by **CaptainBrian** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 6:08 am

Onboard guns whose class is Infantry Gun are not capable of indirect fire, but guns whose class is howitzer are capable of conducting indirect fire.

Flashfyre · Post by **Flashfyre** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 6:57 am

There is an OOB error for the Germans. All howitzer-class onboard units have availability dates of December, 1949.

In order to use them, you have to change the date in the Editor and then buy them. Don't forget to change the date back when you're done.

This should be fixed in v. 5.0

AmmoSgt · Post by **AmmoSgt** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 9:15 am

In this one area I persoanally recomend to some of the new folks i play they consider buying light hows and the like ( I play americans ..most all my oponnets play german)
from the country that the battle is taking place in ..I warn them that ( for example in the 43 league) that the morale /experience ect is lower ..but that makes for cheap arty .. If folks buy german FO's the response times are about right ..
This is just me ..If you are playing as Germans against a Human opponent I recomend you check with your oponent during pregame negotaitions ..but by all that right and fair i personaly hold the opinion it should be good to go ...Historically the Germans "discovered" the virtues of 120mm mortars from the Russians and made a point of capturing them ..then later copied them when they made them themselves .. I am sure most the czech stuff was used by the germans.
Onboard or offboard most arty can fire indirect ..the exception being as CaptBrian pointed out

Christian Blex · Post by **Christian Blex** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 1:11 pm

originally written by Flashfyre: There is an OOB error for the Germans. All howitzer-class onboard units have availability dates of December, 1949.

Not only for germany. Nearly all medium and heavy onboard howitzers have the 1949 starting date. Had the same discussed, some days before. Still can't see the reason for the 1949 starting date, as you can buy heavy self-propelled on board artillery. Why should the US player be able to buy 105mm howitzers and the Italian one not ? Hope this is changed in v5.0

Tommy · Post by **Tommy** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 7:23 pm

Originally posted by CaptainBrian:
Onboard guns whose class is Infantry Gun are not capable of indirect fire, but guns whose class is howitzer are capable of conducting indirect fire.

CB - you got it! In the "The Last Stand of the 78th" I checked the 2 guns; both were the Infantry Gun variants.
SIG 33 150 mm not the 150 mm FH and the 75 mm LelG18 not the 75mm FH.

Tommy

Chris Evitts · Post by **Chris Evitts** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 8:42 pm

Large artillery guns were generally not used as short range direct support weapons under the control of individual Battalion commanders. They were kept together and used as long range fire support for the Division. Hence, there use as on map weapons is unrealistic in most battles. However, exceptions occurred, so the 1949 availability is used to keep them out of most random battles, but allow their use in scenarios if appropriate.

Self-propelled artillery guns were commonly used in both long range and in direct fire support roles, so they remain available for purchase as on-map units.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 9:14 pm

What Chris said

...that is the basic rationale

K_Tiger · Post by **K_Tiger** » Mon Mar 26, 2001 11:27 pm

Chris:

please dont say "generally" if you mean the german army..