Tale of the Sheep! - JocMeister (A) vs. Lowpe (J)

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Yeah. I used up my first 150 PPs just swapping out key fighter group COs with Air in the 20s. Many more to go. But Nimitz has to be in there somewhere too if Oahu is invaded.

Edit: Perceval stays this time in my new game. Not worth it against a great player.

Percival stayed in my game this time too. With the amount of troops Nick was bringing to the party a leader would have made 0 difference.
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On a different matter...

Am I allowed to use West Coast restricted forces in Canada? Like the Japanese can use Manchuria forces in Korea? I think the entire Canada consists of 14 AV or something.
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I would ask Nick what he thinks.
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On a different matter...

Am I allowed to use West Coast restricted forces in Canada? Like the Japanese can use Manchuria forces in Korea? I think the entire Canada consists of 14 AV or something.

Given Canada can be invaded without invoking emergency reinforcements I would think an allowance for US units to garrison Canada is essential.
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On a different matter...

Am I allowed to use West Coast restricted forces in Canada? Like the Japanese can use Manchuria forces in Korea? I think the entire Canada consists of 14 AV or something.

Given Canada can be invaded without invoking emergency reinforcements I would think an allowance for US units to garrison Canada is essential.

Yeah, I just checked and the total AV for the entire Canada is...wait for it....

180 AV not counting BFs. So basically a lone Japanese ID can secure Canada if US forces are not allowed to help.
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[font="Verdana"]December 19th 1941[/font]
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Actually a very quiet turn.

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PH
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Japanese sweeps come in over PH. We actually do a pretty good job. 7 Zeroes shot down for 3 Warhawks and 3 Mowhawks. Obviously my pools are empty so I can´t keep that up much longer.

KB disappears somewhere around Johnston Island. By the looks of it this phase of Nicks plan is over. Lots and lots of ships leaving Hawaii. If he leaves CENTPAC with the KB I have something planned to turn the table in Hawaii.

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DEI
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Not much to report. I´ll try to keep track on the IDs that participated in the Singers assault. Some troops seems to be heading back already. Probably going to help clearing Malaya.

A couple of big TFs heading for PB. I have nothing to interfere with. Looks like the Kongos are covering.

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India/OZ
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Troops are reforming. Forts are being built.

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China
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Still pretty quiet. Looks like a big troop concentration at Ichang. I have 11 units reported there. Might be an attempt to push to the NW through the wilderness. If it is I might have a golden opportunity on my hands. I´ve started shifting some troops so they are in position if the opportunity comes.

I´ve been allowed to retreat in fairly good order. Most troops will be in their defensive positions within the next 10 days or so. Reserves will take longer.

Here is a screen of the losses for today. I already have 4 aces. All at PH. Leading the pack is G.S Welch with 7 kills. [:)]



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[font="Verdana"]Force Z[/font]
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Force Z is detected while trying to sneak into range. That started a flight from the Sulu sea to say the least! [:D]

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47 Cats destroyed already! Ouch!

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47 Cats destroyed already! Ouch!

Are you starting to feel restricted in your searches because of this or are there enough assets to cover?

Not yet. But I will be soon. [:(]
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[font="Verdana"]December 20th 1941[/font]
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Not too much to report

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PH
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Last turn I can defend the air over PH. 15 Warhawks lost to sweeps. I´ll have to withdraw now. I like mines.
TF 89 encounters mine field at Lahaina (182,108)

Japanese Ships
DD Samidare, Mine hits 1, heavy damage
TB Kari


4 mines cleared

KB Raids an empty Christmas Island.
Afternoon Air attack on Christmas Island , at 174,141

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 77
B5N1 Kate x 12
B5N2 Kate x 82
D3A1 Val x 13


Japanese aircraft losses
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
D3A1 Val: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Port hits 7
Port supply hits 4

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DEI
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We sink an xAK in the Sulu sea.
Sub attack near Busuanga at 76,79

Japanese Ships
xAK Yuzan Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
xAK Okuni Maru
xAK Tone Maru
xAK Koyu Maru
xAK Lima Maru
DD Susuki


Allied Ships
SS S-38

Japanese start landing at Palembang. I havn´t bothered reinforcing it. I like mines btw... [:D]
TF 14 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

36 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
DMS Sureko, Shell hits 4, on fire
DMS Uruko, Shell hits 5
DMS Taneko, Shell hits 2, on fire
DMS W-4
E Saga, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Mine hits 1 [:D]

Force Z was spotted outside Balikpapan last turn. This led to an absolute exodus from the Sulu sea and the waters around Mindanao. Also made Nick pull the MKB from covering the Rabaul landing. This can prove important tomorrow.

Some Nells stray into the Batavia CAP and 10 are shot down. Nice. [:)]

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SOPAC
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The Rabaul invasion comes. This was initially covered by MKB. But it looks like Force Zs appearance made them move to the North. The troops have already landed but I may be able to sink some ships tomorrow. I have a 2 CA TF within range. I´ve set them to full speed straight for Rabaul.

I´ll try get a screen up later today. Forgot to save it before I closed the computer last night.
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[font="Verdana"]New Guinea[/font]
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[font="Verdana"]SIGINT[/font]
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Nothing too exciting yet but I have gotten some tidbits. Loads of troops going towards Truk and Badelboab. Also got this:
II./90th Infantry Battalion is planning for an attack on Efate.

While its dangerous to draw any conclusions from just this it safe to assume Nick will occupy at least parts of SOPAC. I´ve already planned for this from day 1. Not going to repeat my mistakes from my game with Tom. I do learn (at least from time to time). [:D]
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[font="Verdana"]December 21st 1941[/font]
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Another small jab from the Allies.

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PH
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Allied CAP rise up for the last time over PH. 10 Fighters lost for only 4 Zeroes. When the allied planes land they withdraw from PH. The USN gains its first Ace in E.Fisher with 5 kills. All that remains are a small Catalina squadron and some damaged bombers.

I´ve evacuated most of the PH shipping although some were lost in the process. But most got out. Now only the 5 damaged BBs remain with a small DD escort.

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West Coast
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Most is evacuated to Panama and the EC. I´ve deployed all fighters at the important coastal cities. P38s are flying CAP over the most important places.

I´m actually not THAT worried. He can gain some strategic VPs but going up against a good CAP will cost him precious KB pilots. Probably a good trade for me as long as I can avoid AV. People also seem to forget that in order to destroy AC factories permanently (non repairable) you need to create "firestorms". If I as the allies couldn´t do that with 250 B29s the KB certainly won´t be able to.

I´ll soon have my new distribution network up and running using mostly off map bases. Its a bit of a hassle. But better safe then sorry.

KB disappears again.

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DEI
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If this isn´t causing Nick some gray hairs I´ll be surprised... [:D]
TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
DD Hagikaze
DD Nowaki, Mine hits 1, on fire, heavy damage


1 mine cleared
TF 11 encounters mine field at Palembang (48,91)

Japanese Ships
CA Suzuya, Mine hits 1 [:D]

Japanese landings all over the Northern coast of Borneo. I think Force Z caused Nick some concerns. He knows they are there but he doesn´t know how much company they have with them. With the Kongos at Palembang and the rest of the BBs in CENTPAC I don´t think he wants to risk a surface fight. His forward bases arn´t developed enough to stage TBs. MKB is moving towards the area though but that means he probably have to leave New Guinea alone for a while.

Palembang falls with no damage to the oil. [:(]

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New Guinea
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With the MKB pulling out to the NW the Chicago TF tears into the landing. Sadly no troops inboard.
Night Time Surface Combat, near Rabaul at 106,125, Range 1,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
TB Sagi, Shell hits 16, and is sunk
PB Kinsyo Maru #4, Shell hits 20, and is sunk

AK Sakito Maru, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Arabia Maru, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Tsukuba Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
xAK Tatuno Maru, Shell hits 10, heavy fires
xAK Montreal Maru
xAK Taian Maru, Shell hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Tokati Maru, Shell hits 8, and is sunk


Allied Ships
CA Chester
CA Chicago, Shell hits 1
DD Craven
DD Gridley
DD McCall
DD Maury
DD Benham, Shell hits 1
DD Ellet

Everything helps though. He still have some TFs in the area. Chicago TF will hang around to the south and see what Nick does with MKB. We still have planty of fuel and ammo. If only I had been close enough to hit last turn...
Ground combat at Rabaul (106,125)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6593 troops, 33 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 145

Defending force 1806 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 48

Japanese adjusted assault: 93

Allied adjusted defense: 19

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Rabaul !!!

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
Catalina I: 3 destroyed
Hudson I: 2 destroyed


Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-), preparation(-), fatigue(-)
morale(-), experience(-)

Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
127 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
853 casualties reported
Squads: 19 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Units retreated 3


Assaulting units:
Guards Mixed Brigade
35th JNAF AF Unit


Defending units:
A Coy/NG Rifles
Lark Battalion
Rabaul Base Force


I forgot to transfer out the Cats. Stupid mistake that cost me 100 PPs. [:@]

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You are doing very nicely with your surface ships!

I think the Allies should always be probing and raiding, where the KB isn't of course. And you have some terrific ships to do it with like the Boise. Big fat fuel stores lets you go deep should you wish it.
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JocMeister: I´m actually not THAT worried. He can gain some strategic VPs but going up against a good CAP will cost him precious KB pilots. Probably a good trade for me as long as I can avoid AV. People also seem to forget that in order to destroy AC factories permanently (non repairable) you need to create "firestorms". If I as the allies couldn´t do that with 250 B29s the KB certainly won´t be able to.

There is another way that aircraft factories can be destroyed - if the enemy conquers a base, some of the aircraft factories disappear completely (as does half the HI) and the remaining aircraft factories are converted to vehicle or armament factories. They cannot be converted back to aircraft factories.
Keep some of those restricted divisions in LA and Seattle and any other coastal location with aircraft factories.

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Nice job on that Rabaul convoy! I especially like how you deliberately left Montreal Maru alone so she could unload her cargo of poutine to clog the arteries of the IJA troops!

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Following the lead of other players, I usually use my Cats in the New Guinea/New Britain/New Ireland area to airlift the troops from Rabaul to Port Moresby.
Then I try to pick up the companies at Lae, etc. to reform the PM Brigade. Even cadres of each unit are useful at PM, especially engineers and air support.

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There is another way that aircraft factories can be destroyed - if the enemy conquers a base, some of the aircraft factories disappear completely (as does half the HI) and the remaining aircraft factories are converted to vehicle or armament factories. They cannot be converted back to aircraft factories.
Keep some of those restricted divisions in LA and Seattle and any other coastal location with aircraft factories.

While the manual doesn't say this is an only-Japan mechanism I suspect it is. The Allies have no Vehicle factories. I doubt the devs wrote a whole lot of code to handle the highly unlikely prospect of WC aircraft factories being captured. And since the Allies don't deal with Vehicle points or Armament points, such factories would have to be coded to produce specific devices, maybe even dealing with obsolete devices as well. And hard-coding THAT into the EXE could crash an editor-made scenario with an OOB that didn't use those devices.

Has anybody ever tested loss of US aircraft factories?
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There is another way that aircraft factories can be destroyed - if the enemy conquers a base, some of the aircraft factories disappear completely (as does half the HI) and the remaining aircraft factories are converted to vehicle or armament factories. They cannot be converted back to aircraft factories.
Keep some of those restricted divisions in LA and Seattle and any other coastal location with aircraft factories.

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Nice job on that Rabaul convoy! I especially like how you deliberately left Montreal Maru alone so she could unload her cargo of poutine to clog the arteries of the IJA troops!

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Following the lead of other players, I usually use my Cats in the New Guinea/New Britain/New Ireland area to airlift the troops from Rabaul to Port Moresby.
Then I try to pick up the companies at Lae, etc. to reform the PM Brigade. Even cadres of each unit are useful at PM, especially engineers and air support.

I don´t really think I have to worry about losing any factories via ground attack. That being said I´m planning for the worst. I have troops at all the important locations. [:)]

You do realize I have no clue what you are talking about? I had to google "poutine" before I got it! [:D] I have more Cats on the way! While take a few turn before they arrive though. Until then I have to rely on a 4 plane squadron at PM.
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While the manual doesn't say this is an only-Japan mechanism I suspect it is. The Allies have no Vehicle factories. I doubt the devs wrote a whole lot of code to handle the highly unlikely prospect of WC aircraft factories being captured. And since the Allies don't deal with Vehicle points or Armament points, such factories would have to be coded to produce specific devices, maybe even dealing with obsolete devices as well. And hard-coding THAT into the EXE could crash an editor-made scenario with an OOB that didn't use those devices.

Has anybody ever tested loss of US aircraft factories?

You might be right about that. If I find the time I´ll try it during the weekend. Should be fairly easy to set up in the editor.
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While the manual doesn't say this is an only-Japan mechanism I suspect it is. The Allies have no Vehicle factories. I doubt the devs wrote a whole lot of code to handle the highly unlikely prospect of WC aircraft factories being captured. And since the Allies don't deal with Vehicle points or Armament points, such factories would have to be coded to produce specific devices, maybe even dealing with obsolete devices as well. And hard-coding THAT into the EXE could crash an editor-made scenario with an OOB that didn't use those devices.

Has anybody ever tested loss of US aircraft factories?

You might be right about that. If I find the time I´ll try it during the weekend. Should be fairly easy to set up in the editor.

I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.
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I'd bet a whole lot of something that US a/c factories turned into Veh/Arm factories if taken over by Japan. Should the US then take them back, I'd bet they remain Veh/Arm even though you have no use for them. You'd have points you could never spend.

Try capturing the industry in Oz - that should tell you. There are a few a/c factories there. At Melbourne, IIRC. I actually have a game with Japan against the AI where I took Melbourne, and could tell you, but it's not on this computer.

So what would they do? Just sit there dead?
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