The Bitter End - Topeverest (A) vs Admiral Kamikaze (E)

[jwolf]

Now that is a Red Army attack! [X(] But Stalin likely was not pleased with the result ... he would say attack again immediately, without rest or supplies. He was a bad strategist but he did have a way of motivating his commanders. [;)]

Good luck as you continue to grind down the Japs in Manchuria. It's amazing how strong they are compared to historical. Well I know you bumped them up considerably in the setup for this game but still it is impressive to see what they can do.

[topeverest]

We didn't bump on Manchukuo at all, though we gave empire 15% more AV in total. My esteemed opponent has kept the garrison at minimum the entire game.
So this is an entirely stock ground combat, likely less on empire side, because he kept the garrison at a minimum.
He's not giving anything away for free either.

Obviously the first time I have had Reds activate, but I am at a total loss how the Reds could replicate historical results. we a 7 weeks in and are just approaching historical accomplishments.


I am open to any thoughts.

ORIGINAL: jwolf

Now that is a Red Army attack! [X(] But Stalin likely was not pleased with the result ... he would say attack again immediately, without rest or supplies. He was a bad strategist but he did have a way of motivating his commanders. [;)]

Good luck as you continue to grind down the Japs in Manchuria. It's amazing how strong they are compared to historical. Well I know you bumped them up considerably in the setup for this game but still it is impressive to see what they can do.

[BBfanboy]

The game activates at the historical date, but it does not allow movement and positioning before the activation, which the RL Red Army certainly did.

It also does not give you the best of Soviet commanders, at least without using PP. There should be a shot of about 300 PP for the Russians to change some leaders in ground and air units.

I presume you had the original units training since 1941? That would make their experience factor decent, and all units should have filled out nicely with replacements "on". Imagine if your tank units could upgrade to the JSII tank with the 105mm gun!

Russian artillery is awesome - a few 107mm guns, but more 122mm and 155mm guns and units that can be combined into Artillery Regiments and Brigades. A few units have BM (big mutha******) 203mm and OM (oversized mutha******) 280mm and 305mm guns which are great for hitting troops in forts and for counterbattery fire.

I don't know enough about Russian planes to know if they had any good enough to challenge Japanese aircraft. I know they had a lot of them, and the pilots that survived the German Luftwaffe must have been darn good.

[topeverest]

Good thoughts. I did the training. I have not done the commanders and need to do so. The empire air force is substantially enhanced on our mod, so I cannot divorce the impact of his air supremacy from Japan. That said, he has it. I find the Red airframes to be inferior. It is the average fighter gun I think. Rated between 8 and 10. Combine that with the lack of engineer squads, and airfield damage cannot be repaired with the alacrity the American's can.

Best guess, if I had more engineers, I probably could keep up with airframe attrition and hold my own.

[topeverest]

Two major reduction attacks in Russia went as planned. Tsitsihar will fall in a couple days, but Changchun will take longer. A third siege, at Mutangkiang 11.42 will begin shortly.

Allied invasion of Tarawa will occur in 4 days. Ambon invasion occur next turn. Invasion outside Makassar next turn. Sub raiders should take first base on Borneo at ketapang. Sorebaya almost surrounded. Two bases taken by paratroopers this turn on Java.

[topeverest]

Here is the Tsitsihar combat...will fall soon. fort fell from 6 to three this turn.



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Ground combat at Tsitsihar (109,36)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 160166 troops, 2615 guns, 4570 vehicles, Assault Value = 7049

Defending force 28277 troops, 384 guns, 50 vehicles, Assault Value = 813

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 4035

Japanese adjusted defense: 1344

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4533 casualties reported
Squads: 123 destroyed, 188 disabled
Non Combat: 133 destroyed, 44 disabled
Engineers: 14 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 108 (42 destroyed, 66 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2828 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 338 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 57 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 53 (1 destroyed, 52 disabled)
Vehicles lost 106 (6 destroyed, 100 disabled)

Assaulting units:
73rd Tank Brigade
292nd Rifle Division
33rd Tank Battalion
30th Motorcycle Regiment
68th NKVD Regiment
355th Rifle Division
70th NKVD Regiment
111th Tank Division
25th Mechanized Brigade
1012th SU Regiment
206th Tank Brigade
1019th SU Regiment
298th Rifle Division
7th Mongolian Motor Brigade
56th NKVD Regiment
209th Rifle Division
8th Gd.Motorcycle Regiment
103rd Rifle Division
275th Rifle Division
293rd Rifle Division
35th Tank Battalion
210th Rifle Division
43rd Tank Brigade
368th Mtn Rifle Regiment
82nd Tank Battalion
205th Tank Brigade
54th Engr-Sapper Bde
278th Rifle Division
3rd Mongolian Tank Regiment
68th Mountain Rifle Division
61st Tank Division
74th Tank Brigade
70th Tank Battalion
3rd NKVD Division
262nd/264th PVO AA Battalion
310th Guards Mortar Regiment
2nd Rifle Corps
Trans Baikal Front
282nd Engineer Battalion
2nd Red Banner Army
177th Mortar Regiment
32nd Guards Mortar Regiment
624th Hvy. Howitzer Regiment
1915th AA Regiment
267th Cannon Regiment
18th VVS Base Force
282nd/382nd AA Battalion
1912th TD Regiment
185th Cannon Regiment
1628th AT Gun Regiment
2nd Far East Front
390th Cannon Regiment
178th Mortar Regiment
3rd Mongolian Field Artillery Regiment
192nd OM Gun Battalion
106th/1146th How. Regiment
1120th Cannon Regiment
1589th AA Regiment
550th BM Howitzer Regiment
1916th AA Regiment
86th VVS Base Force
1233rd Cannon Regiment
413th Howitzer Regiment
281st Engineer Battalion
42nd Cannon Regiment
1140th Cannon Regiment
30th VVS Base Force
1st Far East Front
283rd Engineer Battalion
36th Army
1914th AA Regiment
88th VVS Base Force

Defending units:
136th Ind.Mixed Brigade
135th Ind.Mixed Brigade
149th Division
3rd Manchukuo Distr Division
17th Mortar Battalion
30th RF Gun Battalion
131st IMB Artillery Battalion
2nd Mortar Regiment
20th JAAF AF Bn

[topeverest]

This one is the one that will take longer, but I do have the troops for it. Fort reduced one level

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Ground combat at Changchun (106,41)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 314912 troops, 7565 guns, 7032 vehicles, Assault Value = 11543

Defending force 38478 troops, 385 guns, 120 vehicles, Assault Value = 1014

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 6026

Japanese adjusted defense: 2551

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 5)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 5

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
8682 casualties reported
Squads: 266 destroyed, 187 disabled
Non Combat: 73 destroyed, 147 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 124 (79 destroyed, 45 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
5474 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 473 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 85 disabled
Engineers: 8 destroyed, 82 disabled
Guns lost 150 (13 destroyed, 137 disabled)
Vehicles lost 53 (7 destroyed, 46 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Mongolian Cavalry Division
5th Guards Tank Corps
735th SU Regiment
8th Engr-Sapper Bde
3rd Guards Mechanized Corps
203rd Rifle Division
7th Mongolian Cavalry Division
17th Guards Rifle Division
221st Rifle Division
228th Rifle Division
36th Motor Rifle Division
57th Motor Rifle Division
109th Guards Rifle Division
52nd Rifle Division
358th Rifle Division
6th Rifle Division
7th Guards Mechanized Corps
192nd Rifle Division
927th SU Regiment
22nd Engr-Sapper Bde
284th Rifle Division
124th Rifle Division
110th Guards Rifle Division
262nd Rifle Division
5th Mongolian Cavalry Division
19th Guards Rifle Division
1197th SU Regiment
243rd Rifle Division
91st Guards Rifle Division
1st Guards Airborne Division
9th Guards Mechanized Corps
8th Mongolian Cavalry Division
39th Army
Cav-Mech.Group
1141st Cannon Regiment
6th Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division
6th Guards Tank Army
3rd Gd.Breakthrough Artillery Division
56th Anti-Tank Brigade
52nd Guards Mortar Regiment
629th Cannon Regiment
461st Mortar Regiment
202nd Lt.Artillery Brigade
67th Mortar Brigade
152nd Cannon Brigade
53rd Guards Mortar Regiment
1316th Anti-Tank Brigade
53rd Army
17th Army
1910th TD Regiment
610th AT Gun Regiment
39th Guards Mortar Regiment

Defending units:
9th Garrison Unit
1st Manchukuo Division
1st Manchukuo Cavalry Division
133rd Ind.Mixed Brigade
3rd Garrison Unit
130th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Tesseki Infantry Brigade
122nd Division
8th Garrison Unit
Tesseki Cavalry Brigade
15th Mortar Battalion
85th Field AA Battalion
100th Field AA Battalion
108th Field Artillery Regiment
88th Field AA Battalion
Kwantung Army
81st JAAF AF Bn

[topeverest]

Empire says Banzai and away we go into the KAMI era. About 200 kami's rained down on the Makassar invasion CVE support unit. I got 149 in the air and another 25 on AA, but the rest drove home their attacks.

CVE Nasau takes two kami hits and 90 total points of damage. Not going to sink, but she is out of the war for 3-5 months for sure. I cant even evac her right now because I am still unloading. So more attacks probably to come.

[topeverest]

It was 2 Frances that hit the Nassau - and got a fuel bunker explosion.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Watampone at 66,105

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 120 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Sen Baku x 13
A6M5c Zero x 23
D3A1 Val x 2
G4M3a Betty x 11
P1Y2 Frances x 23
Ki-84b Frank x 24

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 44
F4U-4 Corsair x 82
F8F-1 Bearcat x 18
FR-1 Fireball x 37

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Sen Baku: 6 destroyed
A6M5c Zero: 10 destroyed
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed
G4M3a Betty: 5 destroyed
G4M3a Betty: 1 destroyed by flak
P1Y2 Frances: 8 destroyed
P1Y2 Frances: 4 destroyed by flak
Ki-84b Frank: 14 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F8F-1 Bearcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
CVE Altamaha
CV Shiloh
CVE Nassau, Kamikaze hits 2, on fire
CV Wilderness
CV Lexington

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x G4M3a Betty flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb
13 x P1Y2 Frances flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VRF-1F with F4U-4 Corsair (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 19 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 2000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
11 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-2F with FR-1 Fireball (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 18 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
7 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-4F with F4U-4 Corsair (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 19 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 8000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-6F with F4U-1D Corsair (1 airborne, 6 on standby, 21 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers
VRF-1110F with F4U-4 Corsair (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 6000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes
VF-501 with F8F-1 Bearcat (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 14 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 5000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VBF-501 with FR-1 Fireball (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 9 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 7000 and 13000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
2 planes vectored on to bombers
VF-502 with F4U-4 Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 14 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 13000 and 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
4 planes vectored on to bombers
VBF-502 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 10 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters between 9000 and 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
VF-503 with F4U-4 Corsair (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 0 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 11000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
VBF-503 with F4U-1D Corsair (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
Group patrol altitude is 14000 , scrambling fighters to 14000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 19 minutes
3 planes vectored on to bombers

Fuel storage explosion on CVE Nassau

[BBfanboy]

Isn't the Frances a fairly modern plane? Seems like the Sen Bakus should be used for Kamikazes ahead of a bomber that has a chance with a normal strike.
Maybe range was part of the decision?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

Isn't the Frances a fairly modern plane? Seems like the Sen Bakus should be used for Kamikazes ahead of a bomber that has a chance with a normal strike.
Maybe range was part of the decision?

Frances has two engines making it an expensive Kamikaze but fast, and no torpedoes here? Do kamikazes not fly with torpedoes? Don't know. All depends upon the pools...

Love the Fireball and Bearcat![:)]

[CaptBeefheart]

Topeverest: I hope the game is continuing. This is a real nail-biting, page-turning, barn-burning donnybrook.

Cheers,
CC