Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[mikmykWS]

Added to our list. Thanks

Mike

[Vici Supreme]

[ADDED AGM-65G in DB v438]

Was building stuff in the editor and noticed that the recently added platform #4087 - Hawk 209 of the Indonesian Air Force could get an additional (supposedly) AGM-65D Maverick IR air-to-ground loadout.



Thanks

Supreme

[Vici Supreme]

[ADDED DB v439]

My last wish for today. This one is a hypothetical but it's actually not that far fetched IMO.

RQ-4E Euro Hawk

Based on the RQ-4B Global Hawk Block 20, the Euro Hawk program was cancelled due to cost explosions in development. Having started in 2005, the Euro Hawk was only one year away from initial deliveries to the German Air Force when in May 2013 the project was cancelled. The below specifications were taken from German product websites and articles. It remains unclear if the Euro Hawk uses additional sensors of the Global Hawk it was based on or entirely relies on its SIGINT suite.

Ferry Range: 13500 NM
Mission Range: 9920+ NM

ISIS-A (ELINT + COMINT):

When flying at altidudes of around 15km (49212ft), the "ISIS"-system (ISIS-A) is capable of successfully intercepting, locating and recording all radio signals within a 400km (215 NM) radius. The signals are then send to the ground station (ISIS-G).

I'd love to have this UAV in the sim. Thanks for considering!

Supreme

http://www.eurohawk.de/ (product website in German)
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabili ... ochure.pdf
Two PDFs included as a ZIP-file

[caiman_]

[FIXED B678.12]

Thanks for the bump It has not been forgotten, it just ended up a little further down on the list as it requires a fair bit of work

Ok thanks for the answer.
I noticed something else which may need a DB tweak.
i wanted to disable an airbase with apache missiles but it cannot target a runway-grade taxiway only runway. Should it not be able to target also these taxiway .
The same problem affect the durandal bomb. Maybe other one too but these two are the only anti-runway that i know

[ckfinite]

[UPDATED DB v438]

I'm not entirely sure if this is an issue, but I wanted to ask and see.

In game, the AN/APG-81 and AN/APG-77 have search areas of about 30 degrees. However, in a few online apocryphal sources, they're cited as having FOVs of 120 degrees (+-60), an idea that is backed up by this video, when measured. Is there a reason why these two radars have their current narrow FOV?

[Liare]

[ADDED DB v440]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks Liare,

I understand Danish so feel free to post [8D]

Mods in DB v438:

- Updated radar
- My sources say the Bullpup was phased out in 1982, when most other European air forces stopped using it too. Hence the cut-off date in the database.
- Added strike loadouts to recon version.
- Added: "TF-35XD Draken -- Denmark (Air Force), 72-92, 6x"
- Willemoes Harpoon loadout: Scenario designer has the ability to change the launchers to wartime loadout if needed, in the scenario editor [8D]
- Updated forts.

After 5 posts or so you should be able to post links. Would be great to see what you have been able to dig up of info on the missing subs and MTBs.

Thanks again!

one more thing, there where 20 RF-35XD's, 20 F-35XD's and 11 TF-35XD ordered from Saab, all delivered, along with some later deliveries of out-of-service J-35D's for spare parts.

the utility of the Bullpup is questionable anyway, i dont have any written accounts of it being retained except that, apparently, a small stock of AGM-12D's where kept for bridge demolition until high yield GBU-10 Paveway where delivered in the late 1980's along with the first F-16 Blk. 15 OCU planes.

the highlights in terms of missing warships, from a gameplay perspective anyway, is the following.

Triton Class ASW Corvette
also known as the Albatros-class, build in Italy, in service 55-81.

Daphne Class Patrol craft
based on the royal navy Ford class seaward defence boat, in service 61-91.

Delfinen class submarine
domestically designed small coastal submarines, 4 533mm torpedo tubes, in service 61-90

Falken class MTB
domestic MTB design, in service 61-78

Flyvefisken class MTB
Domestic redesign of the WW2 era E-boats, in service 54-74

Hvidbjørnen class arctic patrol vessels
in service 62-91, these had a secondary in-shore ASW role around greenland.

Narvalen Class submarine
german 205 class submarines, in service 70-04

Tumleren class submarine
german 205 class submarines, bought used from norway 89-04

Søløven class Patrol craft/MTB
improved Royal navy Brave class boats, in service 65-90.

Lindormen class minelayer
domestic minelayer design, in service 78-04

Falster class minelayer
domestic minelayer design, in service 63-04

Sund class minelayer/mine sweeper
ex-USN craft, Adjutant Class in service 55-89.

there's also a host of small patrol cutters, home guard cutters and what not added, but the current ship selection is quite poor for anybody who wants to build a baltic-conflict cold war type scenario since the motley collection of MBTs and mine layers that would have made the straits of Denmark such a daunting proposition for the soviet baltic fleet simply aren't there.

and yes, that's motor torpedo boats in service up to the 1970's, high speed wooden boats can be surprisingly sneaky when they have islands to hide in and around, if you could be so kind as to add the link i have send your way in a PM Emsoy ?

<Link inserted by moderator>
http://www.navalhistory.dk/english/Nava ... /1945_.htm

anyway, i gather that sensor information is required as well, how much is required ? is a radar/sonar model/make enough or is more detailed performance statistics required ?

older janes books should have at least some of that info in them, but i do not have a massive collection.

[ExNusquam]

In game, the AN/APG-81 and AN/APG-77 have search areas of about 30 degrees. However, in a few online apocryphal sources, they're cited as having FOVs of 120 degrees (+-60), an idea that is backed up by this video, when measured. Is there a reason why these two radars have their current narrow FOV?

From the Mega-FAQ talking about that issue (it's present on a lot more than just AESAs):

Why is the AN/AWG-9 radar on the F-14 Tomcat limited to a 40 deg search arc?

Although the AN/AWG-9 has a +/- 65 degrees frontal scan sector, the aircraft doesn’t search arcs larger than 40 deg / 2 bars or 20 deg / 4 bars at a time. This is so that tracks can be updated every 2 seconds. A full 130 deg / 8 bar sweep may take as much as 30 seconds and has limited tactical use. As such, it has a 40 degree frontal arc in Command.

Looking beyond Command v1.04, the plan is to allow the AI and player to turn the search arc (scan cone) sideways, so the aircraft can scan 65-25 deg off-angle. The aircraft can then launch medium-range missiles, turn 60-ish degrees to reduce the closure rate, and still guide missiles to the target. Getting this to work properly for all aircraft/weapon and tactical combinations is a bit of a pain so will take time to implement and test. However the database has already been updated supports this so the groundwork has already been done. The developer won’t give any promises on ETA, though.

[ckfinite]

[UPDATED DB v438]

From the Mega-FAQ talking about that issue (it's present on a lot more than just AESAs):

The issue with that, though, is that the Gripen NG's AESA has the full 120 degree search volume. Furthermore, the video I linked (if you believe it) shows AN/APG-81 searching a 120 degree volume with a 90% detection rate (19/21) in 3 seconds (and maintaining track on all of those targets), which is about as fast as the F-14's radar can search a 40 degree volume. Reasonably, modern AESAs can search much faster than the F-14's first generation PESA could, and the Gripen's radar can even be angled like you mention to expand beyond the 120 degree search volume.

I think that either the Gripen NG's radar's capability should either be reduced to something like that of the AN/APG-81, or the AN/APG-81's capability should be increased to match that of the PA-05/A Mk. 4. As far as I know, the two radars are similar in capability, though AN/APG-81 may be somewhat more so.

[mikmykWS]

Request list updated to this point.

Mike

[ExNusquam]

The issue with that, though, is that the Gripen NG's AESA has the full 120 degree search volume. Furthermore, the video I linked (if you believe it) shows AN/APG-81 searching a 120 degree volume with a 90% detection rate (19/21) in 3 seconds (and maintaining track on all of those targets), which is about as fast as the F-14's radar can search a 40 degree volume. Reasonably, modern AESAs can search much faster than the F-14's first generation PESA could, and the Gripen's radar can even be angled like you mention to expand beyond the 120 degree search volume.

Yeah, I'd forgotten how quickly AESAs scan. I looked up unclass docs on the APG-79 and that indicated 2800 beams per second, and if you assume a 2.5° beam, it's more than enough coverage.

You're completely right, and the other AESAs should probably have their search areas expanded.

[Helderik]

[UPDATED DB v438]

I am not sure if this has been added to the list already:

The Dutch Air Force is (or will be) fielding the GBU-39 SDB1 with it's F-16's and F-35s in the future. I am not sure of the exact IOC, but expect 2015 or 2016. The following link opens a article (in dutch) with a video showing footage of live testing in an Arizona test range with dutch F-16's. The article was dated January 29th 2015 so I guess we are close to operational status.

https://magazines.defensie.nl/vliegende ... meter-bomb (in dutch)

Could you please add the GBU-39 SDB1 loadout to
1). the dutch F-16 MLU.
2). the dutch F-35A

I'll try to find more information when they will become (or became) operational.

Edit: found a document of 2010 with the intention of the dutch government to buy 603 SDB1s.
http://www.dsca.mil/major-arms-sales/ne ... eter-bombs

Thank you!


Erik

[ComDev]

Hello Erik,

I belive these loadouts are already in the database along with AIM-9X? Please download the 1.08 RC and rebuild the scenario with the latest database, and the aircraft should appear in the list.

Thanks!

[Dimitris]

ORIGINAL: ExNusquam

The issue with that, though, is that the Gripen NG's AESA has the full 120 degree search volume. Furthermore, the video I linked (if you believe it) shows AN/APG-81 searching a 120 degree volume with a 90% detection rate (19/21) in 3 seconds (and maintaining track on all of those targets), which is about as fast as the F-14's radar can search a 40 degree volume. Reasonably, modern AESAs can search much faster than the F-14's first generation PESA could, and the Gripen's radar can even be angled like you mention to expand beyond the 120 degree search volume.

Yeah, I'd forgotten how quickly AESAs scan. I looked up unclass docs on the APG-79 and that indicated 2800 beams per second, and if you assume a 2.5° beam, it's more than enough coverage.

You're completely right, and the other AESAs should probably have their search areas expanded.

AESAs have a fundamental (so far anyway) limitation; the more the beam goes off-boresight, the less (dramatically less) the antenna gain becomes. At the edges of the search arc the practical detection range is less than half of the boresight detection range.

This became a hot point in evaluating AESAs vs traditional mechanical antennas, as the high off-boresight ability is particularly useful both for search and also for post-BVR launch cranking (IIRC the EF-Typhoon team for a while was reportedly reluctant to push forward for an AESA because it considered the original [mechanical] CAPTOR as a better for for the BVR combat environment because of these factors).

Both the EF-Typhoon and Su-35 (and the B-1B before them) have adopted hybrid or "swashplate" phased arrays (combination of mechanical-swivel backplane and phased array front-end), to get around this limitation. In most aircraft applications (e.g. B-2, F-22, F-35, F-18E, MiG-31, MiG-35, T-50, Rafale etc.) the designers place fixed arrays and accept the penalty of limited practical scan arcs.

[ckfinite]

[UPDATED DB v438]

Both the EF-Typhoon and Su-35 (and the B-1B before them) have adopted hybrid or "swashplate" phased arrays (combination of mechanical-swivel backplane and phased array front-end), to get around this limitation. In most aircraft applications (e.g. B-2, F-22, F-35, F-18E, MiG-31, MiG-35, T-50, Rafale etc.) the designers place fixed arrays and accept the penalty of limited practical scan arcs.

Hmm, so why does the Gripen NG have the full 120 degrees at 110nmi? Gripen, like EF2000 and Su-35, has a mechanical system to change the AESA's angle, but this would seem to fall into the "selectable search area" that the Mega-FAQ said was unimplemented. The PA-05/A Mk 4 isn't that much more capable than AN/APG-81, as far as I know, so why does it have a search volume that is so much bigger?

[ComDev]

Hm agree that arc for the other AESAs should be expanded. Will update. Thanks [8D]

[Helderik]

[ADDED DB v438]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hello Erik,

I belive these loadouts are already in the database along with AIM-9X? Please download the 1.08 RC and rebuild the scenario with the latest database, and the aircraft should appear in the list.

Thanks!

Hi Emsoy, thank you for your response! Indeed, i just checked that the F-16 indeed has a GBU-39 loadout and stores. However, the F-35 does not have this loadout yet. Could you please add it to the dutch F-35 (#3902)?
I guess it doesn't make sense to buy hundreds of GBU39s when they don't intend to use them on the F-35. I'll see if I can find more proof that they will be used on the F-35...

[ComDev]

Done, thanks [8D]

[Tomcat84]

[UPDATED & ADDED DB v438]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hello Erik,

I belive these loadouts are already in the database along with AIM-9X? Please download the 1.08 RC and rebuild the scenario with the latest database, and the aircraft should appear in the list.

Thanks!

I am only seeing a loadout that has 4 SDBs. Each rack can actually carry 4 so my loadout request would be one loadout with the full 8 SDBs and one with 4 SDBs and a single GBU-49.

[gabravo2005]

[FIXED DB v438]

Just noticed something, not sure if intentional or not, but the A-12 Avenger II and the A/F-117X and F-117X cannot deploy the SDB's because they do not have JTID16's loaded.

Thanks for an awesome simulator!

[Vici Supreme]

[CORRECTED DB v439]

Request to adjust the primary loadouts of both AH-1Z platforms in the DB (#336 and #2843). I noticed that the real "primary" loadouts for the AH-1Z are missing or have been mistakenly misconfigured.

Affected are the loadouts:

#1519 - AGM-114K Hellfire II, HYDRA 70mm Rockets, AIM-9M Sidewinder (BAI/CAS [Use gun])
#13752 - AGM-114K Hellfire II, HYDRA 70mm Rockets (BAI/CAS [Use gun])

Both will give you 14 Hydras (in 2x7-shot LAU-68D/A) per loadout whereas the Zulu Cobra appears to pack 38 Hydras (in 2x19-shot LAU-61C/A), no matter what's the configuration of weapons carried. Sure, the Viper can carry the seven shot rocket launcher, it just appears to not doing so. A quick google search will clear things up I guess. I searched for images of an AH-1Z carrying the LAU-68D/A but was unable to find a single one. That's why I think we could use the existing ones and add a little more firepower to them.

So please adjust existing or create these loadouts:

8x AGM-114K Hellfire II
38x HYDRA 70mm Rocket
(2x AIM-9M Sidewinder)

(1)(2)(3)


Can you also please change the name of the helicoper to AH-1Z Viper. Like the former Huey became the Venom, didn't the Zulu Cobra/Super Cobra became the Viper?? It just sounds more awesome. [8D]

Thank you!

Supreme