OT for the firearm collectors.

[Schanilec]

I've always wanted one of those. I have 10 rifles and shotguns. It is time for a side arm. I have a gun collector down the street. But he is more into the 17th, 16th & 18th century firearms now. He used he used have a whole bunch of 19th & 20th century firearms. Either him or wait for the next gun show to roll into town. Me and a buddy are both looking for a 1911 or equal.

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: Schanilec

I've always wanted one of those. I have 10 rifles and shotguns. It is time for a side arm. I have a gun collector down the street. But he is more into the 17th, 16th & 18th century firearms now. He used he used have a whole bunch of 19th & 20th century firearms. Either him or wait for the next gun show to roll into town. Me and a buddy are both looking for a 1911 or equal.

Gander Mountain carries the basic M1911 made by several firms..You can have one for as little as maybe $300..

In my 45 I do not go for the high powered rounds, but for the basic military hardball..You are responsible for wherever the round goes, and should you ever need to use it, you do not need a round that penetrates an engine block and 4 walls of a house..

I carry because at my age, I can no longer carry a police officer....

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Schanilec

I've always wanted one of those. I have 10 rifles and shotguns. It is time for a side arm. I have a gun collector down the street. But he is more into the 17th, 16th & 18th century firearms now. He used he used have a whole bunch of 19th & 20th century firearms. Either him or wait for the next gun show to roll into town. Me and a buddy are both looking for a 1911 or equal.

Gander Mountain carries the basic M1911 made by several firms..You can have one for as little as maybe $300..

In my 45 I do not go for the high powered rounds, but for the basic military hardball..You are responsible for wherever the round goes, and should you ever need to use it, you do not need a round that penetrates an engine block and 4 walls of a house..

I carry because at my age, I can no longer carry a police officer....

How can you put a "high powered" round in the same breech as a regular round? I'm ignorant so I really don't know. Do those rounds use a different propellant or does the standard cartridge have room for additional propellant? The magnums have a longer breech, don't they?

[AW1Steve]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Schanilec

I've always wanted one of those. I have 10 rifles and shotguns. It is time for a side arm. I have a gun collector down the street. But he is more into the 17th, 16th & 18th century firearms now. He used he used have a whole bunch of 19th & 20th century firearms. Either him or wait for the next gun show to roll into town. Me and a buddy are both looking for a 1911 or equal.

Gander Mountain carries the basic M1911 made by several firms..You can have one for as little as maybe $300..

In my 45 I do not go for the high powered rounds, but for the basic military hardball..You are responsible for wherever the round goes, and should you ever need to use it, you do not need a round that penetrates an engine block and 4 walls of a house..

I carry because at my age, I can no longer carry a police officer....

How can you put a "high powered" round in the same breech as a regular round? I'm ignorant so I really don't know. Do those rounds use a different propellant or does the standard cartridge have room for additional propellant? The magnums have a longer breech, don't they?

Yes , magnums do (they get their name because they are shaped like the Champagne bottle. But various manufacturers are always experimenting with the grains and composition to produce a "hotter" round.

I've received good advice from many police and federal agents. Use whatever you want on the range , but for home defense , your best bet is to find out what type of bullets your local police use for bullets. If God forbid you ever do need to defend yourself , you may wind up on the stand having to explain what you used for rounds. You'd be better off before a ignorant (of guns) jury using "critical home defense" rounds by Hornady , then "Zombie killers" by anyone. And exotic rounds (even self loaded) may be used by a overzealous (and possibly also gun ignorant) prosecutor as "having intent" to hurt some one. If I were on that stand , I want to have used a weapon "that grandpa" had , and let the prosecutor explain that his own police force uses those same bullets that when I use them "show aggressive intent". It's a scary world out there kiddies! [:(]

[Schanilec]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

ORIGINAL: Schanilec

I've always wanted one of those. I have 10 rifles and shotguns. It is time for a side arm. I have a gun collector down the street. But he is more into the 17th, 16th & 18th century firearms now. He used he used have a whole bunch of 19th & 20th century firearms. Either him or wait for the next gun show to roll into town. Me and a buddy are both looking for a 1911 or equal.

Gander Mountain carries the basic M1911 made by several firms..You can have one for as little as maybe $300..

In my 45 I do not go for the high powered rounds, but for the basic military hardball..You are responsible for wherever the round goes, and should you ever need to use it, you do not need a round that penetrates an engine block and 4 walls of a house..

I carry because at my age, I can no longer carry a police officer....

No Gander Mountain here or Bass Pro Shop. We have Cabela's and Scheel's (regional outlet). My buddy tried and was turned down. Let's just say our past transgressions 30 years ago makes the Feds frown upon us.

[Symon]

Talked to the Gunnery Sergeant in charge of the pistol range at Pensacola. Gave him the web address so he could see it. He says it's very nice and looks to be in "good" condition. He's seen Remington Navy Model of 1911s like this go for $2500 or more (up to $4-5000). I asked about the lug on the magazine and he said the early ones came that way; it's one way to tell a weapon with an original mag, Remington or Colt. I asked why and he says it's to secure the magazine from loss. Actually .. so the gobs don't lose the mag overboard when they push the wrong button [:D].

John

[John 3rd]

Would mind if I 'borrowed' your 1911??

[:'(]

[sventhebold]

No Glocks for me
http://forums.officer.com/forums/archiv ... 83832.html
Basically he hung his gun on the hanger post while he went to the bathroom and then it discharged when he grabbed it.[8|]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: AW1Steve

She's a beauty!

Aye. Very nice. [&o]

[geofflambert]

Thanks to all, this is actually quite useful info.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: sventhebold

No Glocks for me
http://forums.officer.com/forums/archiv ... 83832.html
Basically he hung his gun on the hanger post while he went to the bathroom and then it discharged when he grabbed it.[8|]

That safety mechanism between the ears can become disengaged at any time! [:D]

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Symon

Talked to the Gunnery Sergeant in charge of the pistol range at Pensacola. Gave him the web address so he could see it. He says it's very nice and looks to be in "good" condition. He's seen Remington Navy Model of 1911s like this go for $2500 or more (up to $4-5000). I asked about the lug on the magazine and he said the early ones came that way; it's one way to tell a weapon with an original mag, Remington or Colt. I asked why and he says it's to secure the magazine from loss. Actually .. so the gobs don't lose the mag overboard when they push the wrong button [:D].

John

Thanks for asking him John. The magazine I have with the pistol was probably manufactured right after WWI. The correct magazine for one produced in 1913 is called a "keyhole" magazine. I have attached a photo of one featuring the keyhole. My magazine does not. However, the magazine was considered a disposable part of a pistol so it is not uncommon to have the wrong type. Nor does it affect the collector value much. I see that I can find one (keyhole) on the web fairly easy. More important is the barrel has [probably been replaced. The correct barrels have and h and a p stamped on the top. My barrel looks to be newer. A correct barrel might cost me $750 but it may be worth it for me to look for one.

One thing, I am pretty sure of is that all Navy model m1911 were made by Colt. I don' think Remington (and not Remington arms but the office machine makers)came into the picture until WWII and they made the m1911-A model. Many were issued to the Navy and can be identified by serial number but after 1917 they all said US Army on the slide. Here is a short history. http://www.gunvaluesboard.com/colt-1911 ... -1963.html All of them have value. Even a mixed part WWII Army version in good shooting condition will fetch a grand or more these days. All lot of them "left" the service after the war as vets wanted to keep their weapons. It is funny but many have the "property of US government" either scratched out or sanded down. Apparently the owners thought the US Government would not catch on. This destroys the value of the gun as a collectible. And where they have scratched off the US Navy on the other side.....well, it just makes the hard core cry.

I sound like an expert here but am not. Just having the gun for a short time has been great for me as I have had a blast just learning something new. [;)]

[crsutton]

This is what the barrel is suppose to look like. Mine is missing the stamps.

[m10bob]

The army taught us a very peculiar way to take them apart and I have never seen a civilian who had ever seen it done the army way..The gyrenes in my AIT at Fort Gorden also had not seen it done that way.(The gyrenes were familiarized with the pistol in their boot, the army basics were not.)..



Scratching marks from the handgun?....What do they say about "casting pearls before swine"?

[Symon]

Gunny Muntz says sorry for confusion. He was thinking of the UMC/Remington Model 1911 made in 1918. There's a bunch of different ones, as you say mostly Colts, but not all; some marked Navy, some made for USMC and marked Navy (but not always). he's got a serial number list, by mfg and service, somewhere, that goes from 1912 to 1919. When he can find it, he'll send it, but he uses NRA and special gun sites like you do.

John

[crsutton]

ORIGINAL: Symon

Gunny Muntz says sorry for confusion. He was thinking of the UMC/Remington Model 1911 made in 1918. There's a bunch of different ones, as you say mostly Colts, but not all; some marked Navy, some made for USMC and marked Navy (but not always). he's got a serial number list, by mfg and service, somewhere, that goes from 1912 to 1919. When he can find it, he'll send it, but he uses NRA and special gun sites like you do.

John

Yes, I see what he meant. The USMC models were marked US Army but there is a record of the serial numbers issued to the Marines so they can tell which one went where. They are prized collector items as well. Remington UMC (not Remington Rand which made them in WWII) made the USMC model and they started manufacture in 1917-I think.

http://www.nramuseum.org/guns/the-galle ... istol.aspx

[Symon]

Oh, jeez, as usual, late to the party. Gunny Muntz says try this http://www.sightm1911.com/1911Production.htm. It's a good site for all things relating to the M1911 in general.

John

[Symon]

At the risk of going OT on an OT topic, I understand your take on a Taurus, but it really wasn't that much of a POS. Tarrus got the baretta factory and money from S&W and got a huge contract from Brazil in mid 1970s to make PT-92 and Pt-96 pistols. These guys are all over South America.

Mine is a Brazilian PT-92 AF, S/N TLB 378250. Fired often enough that barrel was replaced once. Walnut grips are still good. I can't do the Pensacola pistol course as designed, I'm too old and slow to make the time marker. But if they cut me some slack, I can shoot "good" on the walking targets. I have shot 'expert' on NRA targets with that gun, both 25 and 50 yds. This ain't your grama's Taurus.

Ciao JWE

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

Thanks to all, this is actually quite useful info.

Get some defensive firearms training in your area. There is some dubious, but good intention advice here.

A local gun store here, Philadelphia, holds legal clinics taught by lawyers about the ramifications of using deadly force for self protection. After you get something like that, and you still want to, then start shopping for guns.

Buy one gun and more training. Or rent/borrow guns and get more training.

Handguns are very different. What fits me, doesn't you. What I find objectionable (i.e. sights, trigger, safeties, DAO, SAO, revolver, pistol) might be exactly perfect for you and your situation.

You don't need a whole ton of training...say 9-20 hours to give you all the basics you need to protect yourself, just make sure some of it is on the legal aspect.

BTW, WITPQS is correct about automatics. It is still correct to call any slide operated magazine fed handgun an automatic, although it will cause some people to question you.

[Lowpe]

It seems your firearm may have had the barrel swapped out.

Here is a picture of my Webley, and I shoot it with ammo I make myself including the casting of the 200 grain lead bullet. Made in 1944 or 1945.