Russians in Ukraine

[ivanov]

ORIGINAL: TheWombat

The pics are great. The political discussion, even though I tend to agree with katukov, I do think probably is at least questionable as an appropriate topic here. We should be mindful of the hosts--we don't want On Target or Matrix to feel like we're throwing a rave in their parlor and puking on the carpet or something.

I think that political ranting is not really appropriate on this forum. This whole thread is an offtopic but discussing only military aspects of the Ukrainian conflict seems to be quite relevant. Anything else should be discussed elsewhere.

[IronMikeGolf]

1. You'd have to explain the turret numbers and how 828 or 831 translates to 200th Bde. Also, what's the two sets of numbers on the side skirts?
2. Fake vehicle ID numbers is...an old trick.

[ivanov]

ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf

1. You'd have to explain the turret numbers and how 828 or 831 translates to 200th Bde. Also, what's the two sets of numbers on the side skirts?
2. Fake vehicle ID numbers is...an old trick.

Picture two was taken in the Rostov area in Russia, while picture one was taken in Ukraine. The vehicle markings seem to be very similar and as much as I know, the yellow digits and triangle appear only the vehicles that belong to the brigade. Of course this doesn't "prove" anything but the comparison of the vehicles may serve as a hint. There's no reason IMO why someone would want the T-72B3 from picture one to look like a tank from the Russian brigade ( apart from the fact that those vehicles are used exclusively by Russian army ). In my opinion someone just didn't do his job properly and forgot to overpaint the markings. Similarly to Russian soldiers who forget to switch off geotagging in their phones. I don't know what the markings on the skirts mean but maybe there's some Russian speaker here who could help?

Edit: apparentely the slogan on the skirts means "Death to fascists" or something of that sort [8|]

[Alex1812]

the slogan on the skirts means "For Stalin!" [:'(]

[IronMikeGolf]

Or maybe, just maybe, it's someone's maskirovka.

Stencil fake bumper numbers on a combat vehicle?

Oh, yes, I did!

Keep a salt packet handy, my friend.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Kool Kat

Gents: [8D]

Is having a political-based thread in the best interest of a forum devoted to the discussion of a game? [&:]

Seems off-topic? [&:]

Considering what the first game in the series is about I don't know how you can not discuss military actions around the world. It just so happens that the Soviets are currently involved in this one... or not, depending on who you believe.

I would say that all military actions are subject to discussion. But that's just my opinion.

Good Hunting.

MR

[ivanov]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian


It just so happens that the Soviets are currently involved in this one...

"Soviets"?! [X(]

Old habits die hard [:D]

[ivanov]

Russian Generals Lead Separatists?

Galeotti said this signaled that Russia wanted a more permanent influence over Ukrainian separatists. "It's a control issue, to make sure maverick commanders don't prosper," he told us. "Somewhere in Moscow they have made the decision this will be a long-term frozen conflict."

[delete1]

No end in sight to Ukraine conflict as US troops come to train

But the role of Ukrainian militia groups, which together form part of the National Guard, has been the source of some controversy. One of the most battle-hardened groups fighting to defend Ukraine’s east is called the Azov Battalion, a faction which displays Nazi insignia on its banners and whose members include neo-Nazis.

http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 ... train.html

It's not Russia that's pushed Ukraine to the brink of war

The reality is that after two decades of Nato expansion, this crisis was triggered by the west's attempt to pull Ukraine decisively into its orbit.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... v-conflict

[OldSarge]

ORIGINAL: Iron Mike Golf
Keep a salt packet handy, my friend.

Only a packet of salt? I think that reading any news from that region requires complete ownership of the enitre salt mine. [8D]

Lookup the conversation on the Russian sites about the USS Cook while it was in the Black Sea and you will see the depths of it. I'm not sure if I should just laugh, or worry that someone on the wrong side might start believing their own propganda. [:-]

Regards....

[delete1]

ORIGINAL: Tazak
I personally think that as long as this thread doesn't degrade into personal attacks or other unwanted/unwelcome behaviour

Good point Tazak. I still believe that everybody here is free to express its own views, opinions, interpretations and news sources. Always with respect and tolerance to whom might not agree or have a different perspective/information. The discussions get rich and entertaining.

If its off-topic we can set that up as well. Moderators are here to guide us.

Cheers for you all,

[ivanov]

Until now, however, it has been extremely rare to find Russian soldiers who have fought there and are willing to talk. It is even rarer to find soldiers who have quit the army. Five soldiers who recently quit, including two who said they left rather than serve in Ukraine, have told Reuters of their experiences.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/05/ ... 6Q20150510

[delete1]

The myth of 'hybrid war' in Ukraine

The West continues to suggest that Russia is engaged in a furtive “hybrid war” in Ukraine in an attempt to destabilize the country. But Russia has no interest in creating a new frozen conflict.

http://www.russia-direct.org/opinion/my ... ar-ukraine

[delete1]

Ukraine clashes raise questions over Right Sector militia

Clashes over the weekend in south-western Ukraine between members of a far-right volunteer militia and local authorities have raised fears that violence is spreading beyond the conflict in Ukraine's east and could further destabilise the country's fragile political balance.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33523869

Right Sector gunmen take 6-year old boy hostage in western Ukraine in standoff with police

Right Sector was one of the most militant factions in the massive protests in Ukraine's capital that led to pro-Russia President Viktor Yanukovych fleeing the country in February 2014. Since war broke out in eastern Ukraine between government forces and pro-Russia separatists several months later, Right Sector has fought on the government side and Amnesty International has accused the group of holding civilians as prisoners and torturing them.

Right Sector leader Dmytro Yarosh holds a seat in parliament, but the group has little formal involvement in conventional politics. Russia has been harshly critical of Ukrainian leaders for not taking a firm stand against Right Sector, saying Kiev's apparent tolerance of the group suggests the government harbors fascist leanings.

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/articl ... rn-ukraine

‘Right Sector on combat alert’: Ukraine Neo-Nazis refuse to lay down arms after shootout

Ukrainian Right Sector militants, blocked in on the outskirts of Mukachevo after deadly clashes with police, are refusing to lay down their arms without their leader’s orders. Civilians in the area have been evacuated, as negotiations so far have failed.

[Tazak]

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[delete1]

To Kiev and beyond, comrades! [:D]

[ivanov]

Russian T-72B3 ( the type not used by Ukraine army ) turned submarine. It has been there since winter fighting:


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The same vehicle during better times:


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[Alex1812]

katukov, you have a great chance to mistake then you cope pictures from political sources [:'(] . It is not T-72B3 in the previous pictures. It's old T-72B (model 1989). Looks, it have no thermal sight and no wind sensor in the turret top. Only classical night sight

[ivanov]

ORIGINAL: Alex1812

katukov, you have a great chance to mistake then you cope pictures from political sources [:'(] . It is not T-72B3 in the previous pictures. It's old T-72B (model 1989). Looks, it have no thermal sight and no wind sensor in the turret top. Only classical night sight

I took it from Lost Armour site which is Russian, if I'm not mistaken. Your are correct, I made a mistake. Still, this type of tank has never been used by Ukrainians, right? I'm not an expert but this type of ERA is also featured only on Russian tanks?

[Alex1812]

ORIGINAL: katukov

I'm not an expert but this type of ERA is also featured only on Russian tanks?

No, it's not right in general. It is the Soviet tank with Soviet type of ERA. So some post-Soviet countries also have it (Byelorussia, for example)