3.4xBb

rhinobones · Post by **rhinobones** » Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:10 pm

Question for the 3.5 design team . . . is there an intent to make 3.5 playable/compatible so that 3.4xBb scenarios can be ported into 3.5?

Regards, RhinoBones

Oberst_Klink · Post by **Oberst_Klink** » Sat Jun 27, 2015 5:16 am

ORIGINAL: rhinobones

Question for the 3.5 design team . . . is there an intent to make 3.5 playable/compatible so that 3.4xBb scenarios can be ported into 3.5?

Regards, RhinoBones

Most designers are aware 'NOT' to use 3XBb.exe. Scenarios designer with 3.4.202 will work with 3XBb.exe and 3.5x.

Klink, Oberst

golden delicious · Post by **golden delicious** » Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:21 pm

ORIGINAL: Sekadegas

You're right.

I rather prefer using 3.4xBb as in my interpretation it produces combat results in line with TOAW "tradition" and with most of the scenarios available.

Yeah. As we've reached a point where the majority even of higher quality scenarios (disregarding most of what came with Volume I and COW) are from designers who've disappeared, this makes 3.4xBb the obvious choice for players in most situations.

secadegas · Post by **secadegas** » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:33 am

ORIGINAL: golden delicious

Yeah. As we've reached a point where the majority even of higher quality scenarios (disregarding most of what came with Volume I and COW) are from designers who've disappeared, this makes 3.4xBb the obvious choice for players in most situations.

Some good designers may have "disappeared" but apart from McBride's scenarios which aren't officially available all the others are.

A good example of an "old" high quality design is EA which under 3.4 it bogs down in an uninteresting unhistorical statemale but regains its previous "glory" using 3.4xBb.

And i'm afraid you're not fully considering some good (very good) scenarios created - by very talented designers - after 3.4Bb fix release.

fogger · Post by **fogger** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:26 am

Help
I have just purchased a new PC (Dell Optiplex 9020 running windows 7). I have loaded my original disk 3.0.0.12 and then patches 3.0.0.17, 3.1.0.19 and then 3.4.0.2. All appears to be working. I then try and load the 3.4XBb patch and get the message "audiere.dll is missing".

I am to get the TOAW DT's so any advice on how to fix would be greatly appreciated.

cheers
john

golden delicious · Post by **golden delicious** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 4:07 pm

ORIGINAL: Sekadegas

Some good designers may have "disappeared" but apart from McBride's scenarios which aren't officially available all the others are.

Yeah- but I'm not about to completely rework someone else's scenario without their permission.

A "good" scenario normally means one which has been playtested thoroughly and gives an interesting range of plausible results (if it's a historical scenario).

simcityrefund · Post by **simcityrefund** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 5:56 pm

When people say scenarios are incompatible what do they mean? that the ai goes crazy with the upgraded exe? Would playing against the ai be ok if I uses the upgraded exe ?

governato · Post by **governato** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:31 pm

ORIGINAL: golden delicious
A "good" scenario normally means one which has been playtested thoroughly and gives an interesting range of plausible results (if it's a historical scenario).

Some of the `new' scenarios have been designed and tested with great care. C'mon GD, jump in, the water is fine!

simcityrefund · Post by **simcityrefund** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:42 pm

Where do ifind the new scenarios that have ben balanced for the new exes?

Meyer1 · Post by **Meyer1** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 7:09 pm

ORIGINAL: fogger

Help
I have just purchased a new PC (Dell Optiplex 9020 running windows 7). I have loaded my original disk 3.0.0.12 and then patches 3.0.0.17, 3.1.0.19 and then 3.4.0.2. All appears to be working. I then try and load the 3.4XBb patch and get the message "audiere.dll is missing".

I am to get the TOAW DT's so any advice on how to fix would be greatly appreciated.

cheers
john

You have to put the 3.4XBb file inside the TOAW folder.

Also, for next time, I think you can install the 3.4.0.2 patch directly, no need for prior patches.

PS: what's DT's?

shunwick · Post by **shunwick** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:44 am

ORIGINAL: ifailmore

When people say scenarios are incompatible what do they mean? that the ai goes crazy with the upgraded exe? Would playing against the ai be ok if I uses the upgraded exe ?

All it means is that scenarios that are specifically created for the 3xBb version cannot be played with a standard 3.4 installation. There is no chance of playing such a beast unintentionally because the standard 3.4 does not even see the 3xBb scenarios. Note, however, that 3xBb will play any version 3 scenario without a problem.

There are only four 3xBb scenarios in existence:-

1914 by Rob Kunz, Ardennes 1944 by Rob Kunz, ArdennesBeta by Rob Kunz, all available from download links on these forums, and COUP D'ETAT! by Mark Stevens available from the download area on Gamesquad. COUP D'ETAT! by Mark Stevens is also available from Rugged Defense although I do not know, at this time, if it is the 3xBb version or a standard 3.4 version.

Saving the scenarios under 3xBb by designers is probably not a good idea especially since there is no particular reason to do so. The only reason standard 3.4 will not see or run 3xBb scenarios is that it does not recognize the version number. 3xBb is an "unofficial patch".

Best wishes,
Steve

shunwick · Post by **shunwick** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 12:52 am

ORIGINAL: ifailmore

Where do ifind the new scenarios that have ben balanced for the new exes?

"Balanced" is a sticky issue to define. For the purist in us all, any scenario badged for 3.4 should be best "balanced" but any scenario for 3.0 and up should be good to go.

Best wishes,
Steve

fogger · Post by **fogger** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:50 am

"Delirium tremens (DTs) is a state of confusion of rapid onset that is usually caused by not playing TOAW. (Also withdrawal from alcohol). If it occurs it is often three days into the withdrawal symptoms and lasts two to three days. People may also see or hear things other people do not. Physical effects may include shakings, shivering, an irregular heart rates, and sweating. Occasionally a very high body temperature or seizures may result in death. Not playing TOAW (Alcohol) is one of the most dangerous games (drugs) to withdraw from."

It has almost been a week now. I am having trouble seeing the screen. (maybe I should put my glasses onnnnn ) Very hot here at present and it is the middle of winterrrr.

Thanks for the tip. I will try it (as soon as the frog on my desk stops talking to me) and see what happensss.

cheers
johnnnn

larryfulkerson · Post by **larryfulkerson** » Tue Jul 07, 2015 4:18 pm

ORIGINAL: fogger
"Delirium tremens (DTs) is a state of confusion of rapid onset that is usually caused by not playing TOAW. (Also withdrawal from alcohol). If it occurs it is often three days into the withdrawal symptoms and lasts two to three days. People may also see or hear things other people do not. Physical effects may include shakings, shivering, an irregular heart rates, and sweating. Occasionally a very high body temperature or seizures may result in death. Not playing TOAW (Alcohol) is one of the most dangerous games (drugs) to withdraw from."

It has almost been a week now. I am having trouble seeing the screen. (maybe I should put my glasses onnnnn ) Very hot here at present and it is the middle of winterrrr.
johnnnn

About two years ago now I was playing three PBEM's at the same time and one of my opponents was Karri, who as you may know
is an excellent player and I was learning a lot from him. Three PBEM's meant that I was playing TOAW about 12 - 14 hours a day
for about 6 months as I recall. I started dreaming about playing it in my dreams, I saw a hex pattern in the carpets, and I realized
that I had to slow down and maybe change something. But I didn't. It was intoxicating.

simcityrefund · Post by **simcityrefund** » Sat Jul 11, 2015 10:48 pm

ORIGINAL: shunwick

ORIGINAL: ifailmore

When people say scenarios are incompatible what do they mean? that the ai goes crazy with the upgraded exe? Would playing against the ai be ok if I uses the upgraded exe ?

All it means is that scenarios that are specifically created for the 3xBb version cannot be played with a standard 3.4 installation. There is no chance of playing such a beast unintentionally because the standard 3.4 does not even see the 3xBb scenarios. Note, however, that 3xBb will play any version 3 scenario without a problem.

There are only four 3xBb scenarios in existence:-

1914 by Rob Kunz, Ardennes 1944 by Rob Kunz, ArdennesBeta by Rob Kunz, all available from download links on these forums, and COUP D'ETAT! by Mark Stevens available from the download area on Gamesquad. COUP D'ETAT! by Mark Stevens is also available from Rugged Defense although I do not know, at this time, if it is the 3xBb version or a standard 3.4 version.

Saving the scenarios under 3xBb by designers is probably not a good idea especially since there is no particular reason to do so. The only reason standard 3.4 will not see or run 3xBb scenarios is that it does not recognize the version number. 3xBb is an "unofficial patch".

Best wishes,
Steve

I cannot find the scenarios in here im lookin for the 1914 one but cant seem to find it

r6kunz · Post by **r6kunz** » Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:22 am

see if this opens it.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/r1eiefgm2deta ... t.zip?dl=0

This is the latest version, created with 3xBb, and converted to 3.4 for the new patch...be sure and read the attached Document.

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