Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[ComDev]

Given the size of the large flight deck can anything be done about the 5x1 small helo pads? It restricts you from basing or emergency landing larger helos (like Hinds) on that spacious deck! Hinds are mediums and only a few meters larger rotor diameter...seems like you could land them...I haven't been able to find the elevator dimensions to see if they could go below. But seem like you could use the large deck. Can 2 small helo land on 1 large pad? Not sure how the ratio of helo sizes work.

Thanks again!

Could the Kiev deck handle larger helos like the Mi-24? Guys?

[DeltaIV]

[UPDATED MOSKVA DECK, DB v440]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Given the size of the large flight deck can anything be done about the 5x1 small helo pads? It restricts you from basing or emergency landing larger helos (like Hinds) on that spacious deck! Hinds are mediums and only a few meters larger rotor diameter...seems like you could land them...I haven't been able to find the elevator dimensions to see if they could go below. But seem like you could use the large deck. Can 2 small helo land on 1 large pad? Not sure how the ratio of helo sizes work.

Thanks again!

Could the Kiev deck handle larger helos like the Mi-24? Guys?

I'd say that it's perfectly possible, although Hind is quite bit longer than Ka-25/28 - more like Yak-38.

The deck is definitely wide enough and there is enough space (length-wise) between the pads to accommodate even Hind.

Emergency - yes. Regular operation - no. Storing them inside the ship via elevators - .. why ?

EDIT: I've added a deck scheme of Kiev from Sovietskie Avianosci, Moskva - 2007. The pad rectangle seems to be about 23m long and roughly ~18m wide, Hind's length is 17.5m and rotor is 17.3m. So yeah - emergency yes, regular operation no.

[SASR]

[ADDED DB v440]

Got some information on the SM-3 BLock IIA

Designated as the RIM-161E

- http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapo ... ssiles.htm

Planned deployment is on track for 2018 at both sea and ashore. So maybe another AEGIS ASHORE Unit in the DB, but this time filled with Block IIAs?

From : http://news.usni.org/2015/06/08/navy-mi ... -block-iia

"The success of this test keeps the program on track for a 2018 deployment at sea and ashore."

From : http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases ... 95228.html

"SM-3 Block IIA is on track for deployment at sea and ashore in 2018."

From : http://www.janes.com/article/47897/surf ... r-ctv-test

"Being developed under a US/Japan joint programme, the Block IIA missile is planned to deploy from Aegis ships and shore sites from 2018 as part of the European Phased Adaptive Approach (EPAA) Phase 3 ballistic missile defence (BMD) shield."

Improved Range, Better Seeker and Divert capability, faster speeds.

From : http://www.janes.com/article/52093/next ... rst-flight

"US and Japanese officials are jointly developing a 21-inch diameter variant of the SM-3 with larger rocket motors and a more capable kill vehicle, meant to provide faster speeds, greater range, a more sensitive seeker, and improved divert capability in the kinetic warhead."

" "We will be demonstrating end-to-end missile performance that will test the capability of the Kinetic Warhead with its larger TDACS [throttleable divert and attitude control system], which supports longer range missions," Stevison said. "

Range indicated to be 2500 Kms, or about 1350 nautical miles. Speed is 4.5 Km/s, faster than the previous 3km/s of the previous SM-3s

From : http://breakingdefense.com/2013/10/why- ... -politics/



"The SM-3 block IIA, (currently under development) has a maximum speed of roughly 4.5 km/s, which is considerably faster than the Block IA/B at 3 km/s."

Please tell me if there is anymore information you need.

[ComDev]

Thanks! Is there any info on burn time and thrust for each rocket stage?

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: butch4343

Jaguar Loadouts

In the anti-armour loadouts , showing 2 BL or RBL-755 per aircraft, this seems light when the aircraft carried equally 4x1000lb bombs or 4x CBU-87 operationaly during desert storm in 1991. These were carried on tandem adaptors on the inboards and a centre line tank.

Could a hypoteical load out be considered for the Jaguar, on the premisies that had the CW continued the aircraft would have been fitted for brimstone, so perhaps 6 weapons on the inboards and a centre line tank. ASRAAM would have also replaced the AIM9s on the overwing stations.

Did some digging:
http://kfbmilitaryinscale.blogspot.com. ... iertl.html

Over 600 combat sorties were performed by RAF Jags during the active air war, roughly same number of AdA (French Armee de l’Air) Jags sorties. They often carried CR V7 70mm unguided rockets pods, as well US-built CBU-87 cluster bombs units, though since these were longer than the traditional British BL 755 cluster bombs only one could be fitted on a pylon; two BL 755s could be carried in tandem.

[ComDev]

BUMP! [:D]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Guys,

I'm looking for up-to-date info on the following Iranian systems. Suspect many of them are simply just part of the overall propaganda campaign and will never reach frontline units. So Im after details that confirm they are real systems already in service or about to enter service. If their status cannot be confirmed I'll simply close the request tickets in our support database and wait for further info (if any will ever appear haha).

- Soumar cruise missile -- need launcher and radar photo, missile stats, operational status... i.e. just about any info you can get your hands on.
- Bavar-373 SAM -- Supposedly a home-built S-300 alternative superior to anything built anywhere else in the world (ahem!) but I haven't been able to dig up any useable info.
- Ghadir OTH radar -- Anything?
- Ya Zahra-3 (YZ-3) SAM -- Ditto.
- Ex-Iraqi Mirage F.1 -- What weapons did they carry operationally? Were they ever turned into a credible war-fighting platform?
- Mersad SAM -- Anything?

Thanks!

[Coiler12]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

BUMP! [:D]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Guys,

I'm looking for up-to-date info on the following Iranian systems. Suspect many of them are simply just part of the overall propaganda campaign and will never reach frontline units. So Im after details that confirm they are real systems already in service or about to enter service. If their status cannot be confirmed I'll simply close the request tickets in our support database and wait for further info (if any will ever appear haha).

- Soumar cruise missile -- need launcher and radar photo, missile stats, operational status... i.e. just about any info you can get your hands on.
- Bavar-373 SAM -- Supposedly a home-built S-300 alternative superior to anything built anywhere else in the world (ahem!) but I haven't been able to dig up any useable info.
- Ghadir OTH radar -- Anything?
- Ya Zahra-3 (YZ-3) SAM -- Ditto.
- Ex-Iraqi Mirage F.1 -- What weapons did they carry operationally? Were they ever turned into a credible war-fighting platform?
- Mersad SAM -- Anything?

Thanks!

Soumar:

Janes Article

Diplomat Report, citing Janes report

IISS article

Propaganda clip. While a propaganda clip and thus a source that should be taken with about fifteen truckloads of salt, it does call it a land-attack cruise missile rather than an anti-ship weapon.

Clip of supposed launch. Note that there's one missile per TEL.

CSIS article. Note that Cordesman says "The satellite imagery lends credibility to the Iranian claim that the Soumar is now in serial production as it
indicates that its test programme was completed by August 2014."

Aviation-Week Article

Summary of all the features in the articles.

-Seems to be treated seriously and in production (even if it's just worst-casing) by legitimate sources.
-Obviously based on Kh-55 but almost all sources highly skeptical it has anything like a similar range.
-Aviationweek has the most detailed stat estimates-150/170 kg warhead, inertial navigation, roughly 50 m CEP, cruise altitude roughly 300 feet about land, even if it (unlike the others) takes the stated range at face value.

[ComDev]

Also, anyone got basic stats on the SM-3 Blk IIA (other than diameter, which is 21 inches apparently hehe) ?

[ComDev]

Thanks!

No photos of launcher yet?

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

ORIGINAL: emsoy

BUMP! [:D]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Guys,

I'm looking for up-to-date info on the following Iranian systems. Suspect many of them are simply just part of the overall propaganda campaign and will never reach frontline units. So Im after details that confirm they are real systems already in service or about to enter service. If their status cannot be confirmed I'll simply close the request tickets in our support database and wait for further info (if any will ever appear haha).

- Soumar cruise missile -- need launcher and radar photo, missile stats, operational status... i.e. just about any info you can get your hands on.
- Bavar-373 SAM -- Supposedly a home-built S-300 alternative superior to anything built anywhere else in the world (ahem!) but I haven't been able to dig up any useable info.
- Ghadir OTH radar -- Anything?
- Ya Zahra-3 (YZ-3) SAM -- Ditto.
- Ex-Iraqi Mirage F.1 -- What weapons did they carry operationally? Were they ever turned into a credible war-fighting platform?
- Mersad SAM -- Anything?

Thanks!

Soumar:

Janes Article

Diplomat Report, citing Janes report

IISS article

Propaganda clip. While a propaganda clip and thus a source that should be taken with about fifteen truckloads of salt, it does call it a land-attack cruise missile rather than an anti-ship weapon.

Clip of supposed launch. Note that there's one missile per TEL.

CSIS article. Note that Cordesman says "The satellite imagery lends credibility to the Iranian claim that the Soumar is now in serial production as it
indicates that its test programme was completed by August 2014."

Aviation-Week Article

Summary of all the features in the articles.

-Seems to be treated seriously and in production (even if it's just worst-casing) by legitimate sources.
-Obviously based on Kh-55 but almost all sources highly skeptical it has anything like a similar range.
-Aviationweek has the most detailed stat estimates-150/170 kg warhead, inertial navigation, roughly 50 m CEP, cruise altitude roughly 300 feet about land, even if it (unlike the others) takes the stated range at face value.

[Coiler12]

Continuing the Iran weapons:

Ya Zahra-3 (YZ-3) SAM-
Most detailed link on stats. The claim is of a mix of semi-HQ-7/Crotale and Skyguard radar.

There was also the claim of mass-production. here, with more pictures.

However, I remain decidedly skeptical as to its deployment, since the announcement was two years ago and I haven't seen any more news of it (besides propaganda parades and this far too uncritical piece) since then. Closest "good" source I can find is this

Mersad SAM-
Slightly more sources beyond propaganda on this. A highly unreliable blog claims it operational (as opposed to just "unveiled", or "in production".)

However, The Arkenstone treats it as more credible, as does APA. Still no obvious source, and neither is truly official.

Arkenstone claims 250 km range for its phased array search radar, but it is based on a propaganda report.

Can find an overview of Iran's missiles from CSIS here.

[Coiler12]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks!

No photos of launcher yet?

Well, if you pause quickly enough before the exhaust obscures it, you can see the launcher in the clip I edited into the original post. Looks like it can only hold one missile in each launcher.

[ExNusquam]

[ADDED DB v440]

Also, anyone got basic stats on the SM-3 Blk IIA (other than diameter, which is 21 inches apparently hehe) ?

I actually posted a request for it a while ago in the other DB request thread. I guess it got missed. fb.asp?m=3642479

Any chance you could add the SM-3 Block II/IIA? They would add an interesting dynamic for some near-future PRC/USN scenarios, as most Chinese SAR satellites are inside the engagement envelope for the Block II/IIA interceptors.

Guidance should be the same as the SM-3 Block IB (already in game).
Target speed should probably be increased over the Block IB to at least 15000 kts or set to unlimited like the ALMV.
I have found no info on minimum target altitude, but I would assume it is the same as the Block IB
Max target altitude should be at least 1400000 meters (Lower estimate of max altitude for Block II based on higher burnout speed)
Missile velocity for the upper band should be 8750 kts, or 4.5 km/s, which is the lower estimate for the burnout speed of the new 21" booster
Ph should be 95%, consistent with other ASATs/ABM systems in game.
Range should probably be on the order of 500 NM (again, hard to find specific numbers)
Year should either be 2015 (First flight test) or 2016-2017 (Likely IOC). This would mean that the 2015 AEGIS BMD ships should receive the ability to load the Block II's in their VLS tubes. (They are entries 2342, 2343 and 2344 in DB3K)

Sources: http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-161.html
http://allthingsnuclear.org/aegis-as-asat/

On the topic of ASATs, the F-15 ASAT (Entry 1994) shouldn't have it's gun, as the ammunition drum was removed to provide cooling for the ALMV. Only a wiki source on this one: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASM-135_ASAT#Design

[ComDev]

Thanks! Looks very prototype-ish to me. Guys?

Got a sneaking suspicion the system is many years away from operational service.

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks!

No photos of launcher yet?

Well, if you pause quickly enough before the exhaust obscures it, you can see the launcher in the clip I edited into the original post. Looks like it can only hold one missile in each launcher.

[ComDev]

Sweet, thanks! The HAWK rip-off thingie is probably at least in limited service so it should perhaps be added to the database. Less certain about the other one hehe.

ORIGINAL: Coiler12

Continuing the Iran weapons:

Ya Zahra-3 (YZ-3) SAM-
Most detailed link on stats. The claim is of a mix of semi-HQ-7/Crotale and Skyguard radar.

There was also the claim of mass-production. here, with more pictures.

However, I remain decidedly skeptical as to its deployment, since the announcement was two years ago and I haven't seen any more news of it (besides propaganda parades and this far too uncritical piece) since then. Closest "good" source I can find is this

Mersad SAM-
Slightly more sources beyond propaganda on this. A highly unreliable blog claims it operational (as opposed to just "unveiled", or "in production".)

However, The Arkenstone treats it as more credible, as does APA. Still no obvious source, and neither is truly official.

Arkenstone claims 250 km range for its phased array search radar, but it is based on a propaganda report.

Can find an overview of Iran's missiles from CSIS here.

[orca]

[ADDED DB v440]

Can this also be added to the load out of the hypothetical Viking replacement ASW version of the Osprey?

ORIGINAL: SASR

[ADDED HAAWC DB v440]

The P-8A Increment 2 is scheduled to become operational by 2016, and with Increment 2 comes the MAC system (SSQ-125 and SSQ-101) and HAAWC (High Altitude ASW Weapons Concept), a Mk.54 Torpedo fitted with a wing kit that allows the Mk.54 to be deployed from long ranges.

From : navytimes.com/article/20140127/NEWS04/301270042/Troubled-P-8A-Poseidon-enters-full-production

"The next program milestone is Increment 2, slated for 2016, will include multi-static active coherent acoustics, automated identification system, and high-altitude anti-submarine weapons, according to a NAVAIR news release."

From : militaryaerospace.com/articles/2013/04/Boeing-flying-torpedo.html

"Airborne weapons experts at the Boeing Co. got the go-ahead Wednesday to start building add-on kits for the U.S. Navy Mark 54 lightweight torpedo that will enable the weapon to glide through the air from altitudes as high as 30,000 feet and enable the Boeing P-8A Poseidon maritime patrol jet to attack enemy submarines from long ranges."

The HAAWC is said to have a JDAM-ER style wingkit attached, so considering the JDAM-ER in the DB has a 40 mile range, the HAAWC will probably have something close to this.



From : defenseindustrydaily.com/longshot-a-swooping-haawc-for-torpedos-03340/

" "what if we could attach a JDAM-ER style glide kit with GPS guidance to a lightweight torpedo, launch from high altitude, then let the kit maneuver it into attack position and release it near sea level instead?" "

The MAC, or Multi-static Active Coherent, is a system that uses an active source sonobuoy (AN/SSQ-125) and multiple ADAR receiver sonobuoys (AN/SSQ-101). The DB has the the SSQ-125 and SSQ-101, but how do you (The developers) model a multi-static system like this in Command?. Also, the SSQ-125 is said to have improved performance over the SSQ-110 IEER (also in the DB, but with the same range as the SSQ-125)

From : dote.osd.mil/pub/reports/FY2012/pdf/navy/2012macsystem.pdf

"The MAC system is an active sonar system composed of two types of buoys (source and receiver) and an acoustic processing software suite."

"MAC is an upgrade to the Navy’s current Improved Extended Echo Ranging (IEER) system, which employs non-coherent sources to produce loud sounds that reflect off submarine targets; these echoes are then detected by receiver buoys. MAC employs the same receiver buoys, but uses new coherent source buoys that enables multiple pings, optimized waveforms, and various ping durations, none of which the legacy IEER system provided."

From : seapowermagazine.org/stories/20150414-p8-acoustic.html

"MAC, an evolution of Improved Extended Echo Ranging used on the SSQ-110 sonobuoy, uses the SSQ-125 sonobuoy. The SSQ-125 generates loud sounds electronically rather than using small explosive charges to generate sound as in the SSQ-110. The long-range echoes from a target are intercepted by the sonobuoy and relayed to the aircraft’s sensor system."

[MR_BURNS2]

[UPDATED DB v440]

#1290 76mm/62 Super Rapido DART Burst

Range in DB given as 1.5NM, multiple web sources give range of more than 5 km.
1.5NM wouldnt really work since you barely get one round off before missile hits, the manufacturer claims that she is effective even against maneuvering supersonic missiles:

The Strales 76mm system with DART guided ammunition is the only weapon system in the world which can ensure high level performance (at a lower cost than dedicated anti-missile systems) in the engagement of manouevring supersonic missiles with high lateral g force. The system is very effective also in the engagement of fast manouevring little boats.

http://www.otomelara.it/-/dart-strales-76mm

http://www.janes.com/article/43167/colo ... rt-firings

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OTO_Melara_76_mm#DART

The diagram at the end of this video is very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61YnsQ1v0mw

[Hydrolek]

[NEED INFO ON IN-SERVICE DATE]

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/pol ... ers-06423/

[Vici Supreme]

[UPDATED DB v440]

In 2011, one of the three Chilean Type 23 frigates received a THALES CAPTAS-4 Type 2087 VDS (CAPTAS Mk(V)?). Really don't know which one in the DB is the right one to be added. I'm sure you guys know better than me... Anyways, Thanks in advance! Supreme



http://www.infodefensa.com/latam/2013/1 ... tatas.html
http://www.podermilitar.cl/chile/armada ... 23_esp.htm
http://www.taringa.net/posts/noticias/1 ... ilena.html
http://www.defensa.pe/forums/showthread ... -23/page48
https://www.thalesgroup.com/sites/defau ... ptas-4.pdf

[Vici Supreme]

[ADDED DB v440]

And another one to keep you guys busy. [:D]

#1798 - Almirante Williams [Type 22 Batch 2]

From 2006-2008 the frigate was extensively modernized, adding a variaty of new sensors and weapons to its inventory. I tried to collect as much info on the refit as possible however, If someone knows about additional informations, feel free to throw in everything you got!

The updated sensor/weapons suite should look like this:

Sensors/EW:

1x Type 1006(2) [KH 19/9A]
1x Type 967/968
1x EL/M-2238S 3D-STAR (Small/Large Antenna??)
2x EL/M-2221-GM STGR
2x Radamec 2100 RNEOSS
1x Type 2016 (possibly new Type 2050 [UMS 4110C] sonar)
1x Type 162M Cockshafer
1x Mk1 Eyeball

Mounts/Stores/Weapons:

1x 76mm/62 OTO Melara Compact
4x 7.62mm MG
2x 20mm/70 Oerlikon MK7
2x 30mm/75 GCM-A01 Twin?
2x MK141 (RGM-84D Harpoon IC or RGM-84L Harpoon II)
2x Barak I VLS [16 Cells]
2x 324mm MK 32 TT Triple (MK46 Mod 5 or Stingray Mod 0)
2x DL-6T SKWS DL or Outfit DLB
1x Type 182 Towed Torpedo Decoy

http://www.podermilitar.cl/chile/armada ... Type22.swf
http://self.gutenberg.org/Article.aspx? ... ms_(ff-19)
http://www.taringa.net/posts/info/18238 ... erica.html
http://www.armada.cl/armada/unidades-na ... 11211.html
http://www.naval.com.br/blog/2009/12/04 ... sheffield/
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showthre ... d-II/page9
http://www.fotosmilitares.org/viewtopic ... &start=225
http://www.nafomag.com/2014/11/the-chilean-navy.html

Thanks!

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Hydrolek

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/pol ... ers-06423/

Thanks! Any idea when the aircraft will be operational?