three japan Air TF move close to some Allied TFs (including one with some CVEs) but none of them is able to launch a single strike. Every setting seems fine, I can't really explain this [&:]
The weather on enemy TF is light cloud
The weather on my TFs is:
- extreme overcast
- partial cloud
- light rain.
The detection on enemy TF is very good (All my 3 airTF launched search planes in morning and afternoon and found the enemy AirTF; I had 11 jill and 8 judy downed by enemy CAP in search phase)
It looks like a very good situation for my carriers to launch strike. Any clue?
I ran the save on the latest build (official patch 7 + newer patch (unrelated to this)) and the Japan planes took out some the Allied ships.
I suspect that you may have got a set of bad die rolls.
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Efate at 118,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 17,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 115
D4Y1 Judy x 63
D4Y3 Judy x 48
N1K2-J George x 116
Allied aircraft
FM-1 Wildcat x 167
FM-2 Wildcat x 28
Allied Ships
CVE Tangier, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CVE Santee, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CVE Nassau, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Altamaha, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Harris
APA Barnett
APA John Penn
CVE Liscome Bay, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CVE Natoma Bay, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires
CVE Anzio, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Corregidor, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Brooks
DE King, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DE Harold C. Thomas
DE Canfield
APA J. Franklin Bell, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DE Cloues
DE Cabana, Bomb hits 1
DE Lawrence, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA Zeilin, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DE Wileman, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
DE Gilmer, Bomb hits 1
Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Aircraft Attacking:
10 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet (Akagi-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
14 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' (Soryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
13 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet (Soryu-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
15 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet (Hiryu-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' (Amagi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
14 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Amagi-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet (Chiyoda-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
12 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Unryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' (Ryukaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
10 x B6N2 Jill bombing from 15000 feet (Ryukaku-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
6 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' (Akagi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' (Akagi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
2 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Soryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Hiryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' (Hiryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' (Ryukaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' (Akagi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
7 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' (Hiryu-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
6 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Amagi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Tangier
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Tangier
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Tangier
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Santee
Massive explosion on CVE Nassau
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Nassau
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Natoma Bay
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Anzio
Massive explosion on CVE Corregidor
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Corregidor
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Corregidor
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Wileman
Massive explosion on CVE Corregidor
Ammo storage explosion on CVE Corregidor
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Anzio
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Efate at 118,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 26 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 13
B6N2 Jill x 119
D4Y1 Judy x 48
D4Y3 Judy x 73
N1K2-J George x 99
Allied aircraft
FM-1 Wildcat x 119
FM-2 Wildcat x 19
Allied Ships
CVE Anzio, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Whitman, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
APA Pierce
CL Boise, Torpedo hits 1
CL Honolulu
CVE Casablanca, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Natoma Bay, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
CVE Liscome Bay, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
CVE Santee, Bomb hits 6, and is sunk
CVE Nassau, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DE Canfield, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
APA J. Franklin Bell, heavy fires, heavy damage
DE Gilmer, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
APA U.S. Grant
DE LeHardy
DE Deede
DE Fleming
CL Nashville
CL St. Louis
CVE Corregidor, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
CVE Tangier, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DE Kane
DE Humphreys
DE Hatfield, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
APA American Legion, Bomb hits 2
DE Harold C. Thomas, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DE Cabana, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
APA Wharton, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk
DE Engstrom
CVE Altamaha, and is sunk
DE Brooks
DE Stadtfeld
APA McCawley
DE Charles R. Greer, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
CL Phoenix
APA Henderson, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
APA Sheridan, Bomb hits 1
DE Cloues
Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' (Shokaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
14 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Shokaku-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' (Zuikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
17 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Zuikaku-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
15 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Zuiho-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
3 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' (Renkaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
18 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Renkaku-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' (Katsuragi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
14 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Katsuragi-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
12 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Nisshin-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
13 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' (Taikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
16 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Taikaku-3 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' (Shokaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
7 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' (Shokaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb
15 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 2000' (Zuikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
5 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 1000' (Renkaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Taikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
1 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' (Zuikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
9 x D4Y3 Judy releasing from 3000' (Renkaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
3 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000' (Katsuragi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Katsuragi-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 1000' (Taikaku-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Casablanca
Massive explosion on CVE Nassau
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Canfield
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Liscome Bay
Massive explosion on DE Gilmer
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Gilmer
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Tangier
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Anzio
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Harold C. Thomas
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Altamaha
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Charles R. Greer
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Casablanca
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Casablanca
Fuel storage explosion on CVE Liscome Bay
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring CVE Santee
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DE Hatfield
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Efate at 118,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 77 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes
Japanese aircraft
A6M8 Zero x 33
B6N2 Jill x 48
D4Y1 Judy x 7
N1K2-J George x 16
Allied aircraft
FM-1 Wildcat x 101
FM-2 Wildcat x 18
Allied Ships
DD Conway
CVE Anzio, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CVE Liscome Bay, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
DE Rathburne, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DE Humphreys
DE Sands, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
Aircraft Attacking:
1 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 10000' (Tokyo-1 Ku K-1/B / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
5 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Aso-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
11 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Taiho-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
3 x B6N2 Jill launching torpedoes at 200 feet (Chitose-2 / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 2000' (Tokyo-1 Ku K-1/B / None)
Naval Attack: 1 x 500 kg SAP Bomb
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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Efate at 118,153
Weather in hex: Clear sky
Raid detected at 42 NM, estimated altitude 19,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes
Japanese aircraft
B6N2 Jill x 15
Allied aircraft
FM-1 Wildcat x 89
FM-2 Wildcat x 17
Even using the official patch 7 (1123x10 is same as patch 7), I get the planes to attack, but then I just noticed I don't have same pwhexe as you have, some would expect some random numbers to be different.
Yes, we're using extended map with stacking limits; this should be the reason for PWHEXE difference.
So it seems I just was very unlucky [:(] as my dear opponent MrKane already suspected.
Thank you for your time Michael [:)]
After this experience and explanation (thank you again [:)] ) I've still got a doubt:
That the set of random numbers generated is not so random actually.
It seems impossible that 3 different TF with good leaders and good weather, so close to enemy, got all of them, in both morning and afternoon phase bad rolls.
It should be 6 bad numbers against small odds! [&:]
It could happen of course, but it seems the same probability as to win new year's day lottery.
I suspect that the generation of multiple random numbers is affected by the first number extracted: If the first goes bad also the others go.
Just my thoughts [:)]
