Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Tomcat84]

[FIXED DB v440]

Seems to be some Damage Point inconsistencies for Underground Avgas tanks and Runway grade taxiways.

Runway grade taxiways:
450m - 450 DP
900m - 4800 DP
1400m - 3200 DP
2000m - 4800 DP
2600m - 6400 DP
3200m - 1200 DP
4000m - 1400 DP
5600m - 1400 DP

Avgas fuel tanks (underground)
100K liter - 1600 DP - Special (201-500mm RHA) Armor
150K liter - 40 DP - Light(41-90mm RHA) Armor
200K liter - 1600 DP - Special (201-500mm RHA) Armor
400K liter - 100 DP - Light(41-90mm RHA) Armor
750K liter - 200 DP - Light(41-90mm RHA) Armor
1500K liter - 1600 DP - Special (201-500mm RHA) Armor
3000K liter - 1600 DP - Special (201-500mm RHA) Armor

[CV60]

[NOT OPERATIONAL / ALREADY SIMULATED / MILES vs NAUTICAL MILES]

I'm working on some description files on the AIM-9 series. As I find discrepancies between the database and my research on the AIM-9, I'm going to note them here. One thing I'm seeing right away is that there are disagreements between respected databases on some key AIM-9 specs, especially with the earlier (AIM-9A through AIM-9J):

Just a suggestion for a possible modification to Weapon_945, the AIM-9X sidewinder. In 2009-10, it was demonstrated to (with a software modification) to have an anti-vehicle and anti-small boat capablity. See http://archive.airforcetimes.com/articl ... nd-targets

Not sure the software change was ever actually fielded.

One minor nit-pick, which may be beyond the ability of the game to simulate: The AIM-9B/E had significantly different ranges, depending on the altitude it was fired at. At sea level, it was only about 1 nm in range, while at 30,000 it was 2.5 nm. Right now, the game used the 2.5 nm range. See http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml

The China Lake museum gives the range of the AIM-9D as 11 miles ( http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml ) Database gives an 8 mile range (Weapon_1163).

[jun5896]

[ADDED TAURUS, MRTT. NEED MORE INFO ON F-16]

http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /29519825/

South Korea selected Airbus A.330 MRTT by 2019




http://www.janes.com/article/49495/taur ... 15-idx15d4
http://defense-update.com/20130405_sout ... ssile.html


F-15K equipped Taurus KEPD 350 on July 18 2015, it will delivery in 2016.






http://koreadefence.net/bbs_detail.php? ... =&id=&pg=1
http://www.lignex1.com:8001/en_US/produ ... jsp?pid=42
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_D ... n_variants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_ ... _Air_Force


RKF-16C(RF-16C) it replaced RF-4C, and equipped ALQ-200 and ELINT POD and EO/IR POD(Korean Product)

[jun5896]

[NOT ENOUGH INFO, TOO FAR INTO FUTURE]



http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.ph ... ew&id=2925
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atago-class_destroyer
http://news.usni.org/2015/08/10/congres ... ship-class

[orca]

ASBM variant of DF-26?

DF-26 IRBM may have ASM variant, China reveals at 3 September parade

http://www.janes.com/article/53994/df-2 ... ber-parade
http://nationalinterest.org/feature/sho ... ?page=show

[Hydrolek]

[IN-SERVICE DATE UNKNOWN]

Airbus Helicopters' Caracal selected for Polish medium-lift utility helo requirement

http://www.janes.com/article/50883/airb ... equirement

[Dysta]

ASBM variant of DF-26?

DF-26 IRBM may have ASM variant, China reveals at 3 September parade

The state media claimed only its destinated for targeting surface ship, but never mention its land striking ability.

Maybe those warheads are duel-purposes?

[ComDev]

Thanks for the bump! Added [:D]

ORIGINAL: markadmiral


I wanted to follow up on post I made last July with a suggestion/request for the several platforms (see below) to be included in DB3000. For North Korea and Iran, these are significant platforms and both nations figure prominently in many scenarios. For some, the information is somewhat sparse, but these are simple platforms and so perhaps not a major issue. If information is an issue, I can try to dig some more, but I can't promise anything since these nations are not so transparent. The recent tensions in North Korea brought the request back up on the radar, by the way.....


North Korea:

(1) Kong Bang LCPA: Major North Korean platform for infiltrating seaborne SOF. Probably based on UK Wellington design.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... g-bang.htm
http://jsw.newpacificinstitute.org/?p=4115
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclo ... y1317.aspx

(2) Nampo LCP: Older landing craft for North Korean seaborne SOF based on P-6 torpedo boat
http://combatfleetoftheworld.blogspot.c ... -navy.html
http://www.koreanwar-educator.org/topic ... c60011.pdf
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclo ... y3144.aspx

(3) nK Infiltration Trawler: North Korean infiltration ship disguised as a fishing trawler and capable of high speed. An example was sunk by Japan Coast Guard near Amami 0 Shima Island on 22 Dec 2001 and is on display at the Japan Coast Guard museum in Yokohama. The trawler is a mothership for semi-submersible infiltration boats.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_ ... C5%8Cshima
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXRh2ahZCQQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTnSIZagOH4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mBw92s2h3xg
http://www.kpajournal.com/vol-1-no-1-january-2010/ (good details on armament in article)
http://www.kpajournal.com/vol-1-no-4-april-2010/ (info on earlier Japan infiltration in 1999)

Iran

(4) Wellington LCPA
http://www.shahyad.net/iiarmy/Navy/Hove ... craft.html
http://osimint.com/2013/07/30/irans-hov ... der-abbas/
http://www.harpoondatabases.com/encyclo ... y3065.aspx
(NB: I think Iraq also had a few of these prior to the 1991 war)

Thanks,

Mark

LCPA

[ComDev]

Updated/added:

Radar (China HQ-64 Search) -- China (Army), 1995, HQ-64 Search Radar
SAM Plt (HQ-64 [LY-60]) -- China (Army), 1995, 3x + 3x LD-2000 Plt + China HQ-64 Search Radar pr Bty
AAA Plt (LD-2000 x 2) -- China (Army), 2010, 3x pr Bty, Used with HQ-64

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Hongjian

Some new information about the LD-2000 Land-Based CIWS thru the VJ-Day Parade Rehearsals.

It seems that this system actually doesnt have an own designation in the PLA, but is part of the HQ-6A Batteries, functioning as their Fire Control Radars. HQ-6A (aka. "HQ-64/HQ-6D") and LD-2000 are basically one integrated short-range anti-cruise-missile and close-in-defence unit. These integrated units are, in turn, tasked with defending HQ-9A batteries and important installations.







A PR shot from some years ago, showing the (now confirmed) deployment scheme of this system:



So, maybe add a HQ-64/HQ-6A launcher battery to each LD-2000 equipped SAM unit as well?

[ComDev]

This will be fixed in Command v1.10. Complex stuff so need time to test.

ORIGINAL: Kitchens Sink

Just a minor issue with a platform not often used.

The Laser COIL Shot weapon on the AL-1A plane has a valid altitude for firing of 36,000 ft. (No range, just 36,000 ft). This means the AL-1A cannot loiter over land (where Ground Level varies); it must be hovering at exactly 36k ft AGL for the laser COIL shot to fire. If it's over water (where Ground Level is always 0) with plane set at 36,000 ft altitude, the laser works as designed.

Maybe give the Coil Shot weapon a range of altitudes that it can be fired? Again, a low priority issue.

[ComDev]

Okay but are we close enough?

Thanks [8D]

ORIGINAL: fool12342000

Weaopn #541 YJ-83 is not C-803
And YJ-82 is not C-802

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... -to-yj-8a/
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... -and-c802/
http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... mily-tree/

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: CV60

I'm working on some description files on the AIM-9 series. As I find discrepancies between the database and my research on the AIM-9, I'm going to note them here. One thing I'm seeing right away is that there are disagreements between respected databases on some key AIM-9 specs, especially with the earlier (AIM-9A through AIM-9J):

Just a suggestion for a possible modification to Weapon_945, the AIM-9X sidewinder. In 2009-10, it was demonstrated to (with a software modification) to have an anti-vehicle and anti-small boat capablity. See http://archive.airforcetimes.com/articl ... nd-targets

Not sure the software change was ever actually fielded.

The AIM-9X capability was never fielded as far as I know, but there have been some attempt to market a new air-to-ground variant created by modifying existing stocks of AIM-9Ls.

Don't think we should add these until actually operational, though.

One minor nit-pick, which may be beyond the ability of the game to simulate: The AIM-9B/E had significantly different ranges, depending on the altitude it was fired at. At sea level, it was only about 1 nm in range, while at 30,000 it was 2.5 nm. Right now, the game used the 2.5 nm range. See http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml

The sim already takes altitude into account, and the range at low level is significantly shorter?

The China Lake museum gives the range of the AIM-9D as 11 miles ( http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml ) Database gives an 8 mile range (Weapon_1163).

Is that miles or nautical miles? [8D]

Thanks for your input!

[ComDev]

Thanks Jun, have added the MRTT and Taurus.

Do you have more info on the in-service date for the RF-16 upgrade? And also the ALQ-200K Pod?

Seems South Korea have also integrated JDAM on their F-16s. Wikipedia claims the SK JDAMs also carry wing kits. Is this correct?

I'd appreciate any additional information you can provide on this.

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: jun5896





http://koreadefence.net/bbs_detail.php? ... =&id=&pg=1
http://www.lignex1.com:8001/en_US/produ ... jsp?pid=42
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_D ... n_variants
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_ ... _Air_Force


RKF-16C(RF-16C) it replaced RF-4C, and equipped ALQ-200 and ELINT POD and EO/IR POD(Korean Product)

[jun5896]

19th Fighter Wing, based at Jungwon Air Base

159th Fighter Squadron was changed 159th Tactical Reconnaissance squadron on early 2014(RKF-16C procured in 2012), This squadron employs KF-16C (Block 52), but some F-16C replaced RF-16C. Still 159 TRS is replacing RKF-16C squadron.

http://www.f-16.net/units_article385.html

When see this page, look tail-wing number ROKAF 93 numbering is 159 FS(Now changed 159 TRS).

lig nex1's alq-200k ecm pods - It procured in 2005.(F-4D/E, RF-4C, F-16C/D Block 32 and KF-16C/D Block 52 can equip.)

Also I upload some pictures.(First pic is test ALQ-X in 2004)





http://english.chosun.com/site/data/htm ... 00422.html

quote from http://tacticalmashup.com/jdam-a-gps-in ... irstrikes/

Feb 8/11: F-15K integration. The Chosun Ilbo quotes the South Korean ROKAF, who says it has integrated the 2,000 pound GBU-31 JDAM with its KF-16 fighters, as well as its F-15K “Slam Eagles.” After developing the software, the ROKAF successfully carried out 3 tests, and finished pilot training at the end of January 2011.

The report also mentions wing kits, which are absent from normal JDAMs – but not from the 2,000 pound JDAM Extended Range kit, which was being developed by Boeing and South Korea.



http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/sou ... 16s-05404/
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2 ... force.aspx

ROKAF isn't decided KF-16 upgrade business partner yet. BAE systems withdrew KF-16 upgrade program, Still ROAKF is negotiating with Lockheed Martin.

[Hydrolek]

Finalisation of the Zl13 billion ($3.5 billion) contract is anticipated in the third quarter, with deliveries commencing in 2017.

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... al-412409/

[CV60]

The AIM-9X capability was never fielded as far as I know, but there have been some attempt to market a new air-to-ground variant created by modifying existing stocks of AIM-9Ls.

Don't think we should add these until actually operational, though.

I agree.

quote:

One minor nit-pick, which may be beyond the ability of the game to simulate: The AIM-9B/E had significantly different ranges, depending on the altitude it was fired at. At sea level, it was only about 1 nm in range, while at 30,000 it was 2.5 nm. Right now, the game used the 2.5 nm range. See http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml



The sim already takes altitude into account, and the range at low level is significantly shorter?

I wasn't aware that the game takes altitude into account on missile ranges. Weapon_396 (AIM-7B) shows 1 fuel point/second on the "Performance Details" listed in my Database Viewer for all altitude bands.

quote:

The China Lake museum gives the range of the AIM-9D as 11 miles ( http://www.chinalakemuseum.org/exhibits ... nder.shtml ) Database gives an 8 mile range (Weapon_1163).


Is that miles or nautical miles?

The China Lake site doesn't state whether it is nautical miles or miles, and I haven't been able to get any other range figures. I'm assuming the China Lake numbers are in miles. If so, that would give a 9.5 nm range for the AIM-9D.

[ComDev]

Yes the weapons have the same number of 'fuel points' (i.e. flight time) but the speed is lower, so the range is shorter.

[Mgellis]

[ADDED DB v441]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Just curious...what is the difference between a Building (TV Mast) and a Structure (Mast)? Is Structure (Mast) just meant to be a generic structure to cover all kinds of masts and towers (cell phone towers, etc.) or is it something else?

If it isn't too late to add another request for the database, I would like to see this added...

Water Tower (750k Liter Tank)

This can probably just use the statistics for the diesel 750k liter tank (database #76). Water towers, of course, come in all shapes and sizes, but this seems to be a good "average" size. One technical paper at http://www.nesc.wvu.edu/techbrief.cfm says a typical residential water tower is 120,000 gallons, but some are much larger, sometimes as much as a million gallons or more. 200k gallons, more or less, seems like a good compromise for a generic one.

[DeSade]

[SEEMS OK, DB v440]

It looks like chinese LACM #2039 - KD-20 [CJ-10A] ALCM -- 2011, Air-Launched lacks surface min and max ranges in DB.
I didn't test it but I guess it could confuse AI

[Mgellis]

[ADDED DB v441]

Water Tower (5000k Liter Tank)

At a little over a million gallons, this is a typical large water tank. Using the statistics for various diesel tanks as a guideline, I would say the important statistics are...

Length: 30 m.
Width: 30 m.
Area: 900 m.
Damage Points: 600

Thanks for considering these!

(Just curious, in case anyone knows...is it a war crime to go after water supplies?)

(Later edit...the reason I did not use a straight multiplication for the dp--which would give a dp value of about 1,300--was I figured that, with water tanks, there is a point of diminishing returns where it does not matter how massive it is...if you punch enough holes in it, it will not hold water. Literally. I figured 600 was a good compromise.)