No meat on the bone.

[Nico165b165]

Barely know anything about the TYW, so learning it with this game.

Had a look on Wikipedia for a basic history lesson : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War

Main part of the war <-> scenarios in the game :

Bohemian revolt <-> 2
Danish intervention <-> 1
Swedish intervention <-> 1
French intervention <-> 0
Whole war <-> 1

So that's a pretty good coverage. Only the french intervention is really missing. What might be interesting is the war up to 1648 but with later start dates : 1625, 1630, 1635.

[TheWombat_matrixforum]

It is a very complicated bit of European history, but fascinating. Well worth investigating if you're new to it.

[Duck Doc]

So, how complex is this game in the AGEOD spectrum?

[zakblood]

that depends on how you play it, for me it can be very complex, or alter some settings and it can be easy, so i guess it depends on what depth / settings and campaign / battle you wish to play on

[Moltke71]

ORIGINAL: Dale H

So, how complex is this game in the AGEOD spectrum?

I don't think it is as complex as other AGEOD games because you don't have to build divisions, corps or armies - just "groups". I think any activated commander can build a "group" although he may not be really good.

[FroBodine]

ORIGINAL: Dale H

Yo, Dude. I was being snarkily rhetorical.

ORIGINAL: jglazier

Apparently it works, because they keep doing it. It sucks, but they keep doing it. These games are expensive enough, they should have more scenarios in the base game.

Yes, I know. I was agreeing with you.

[Dante Fierro]

ORIGINAL: jglazier

Apparently it works, because they keep doing it. It sucks, but they keep doing it. These games are expensive enough, they should have more scenarios in the base game.

$30 dollars is expensive? Really??

Heck, if it was just one scenario, the grand campaign itself I would have been happy. The game is quite good as well.

[elmo3]

Just spent $40 to take the family to an art museum to see the van Gogh exhibit, and another $40 for lunch on the way home. So that's a couple hours of entertainment for $80. TYW with 5 scenarios and 3 tutorials is a great deal at $30.

[Seytan]

Well
the lack of activity here on the forum isn't a good sign.
Ive asked questions and gotten no answers. Frankly I don't like that.
In fact that is a huge detriment to all these games that pop up without proper foresight on how to present them.
Might be great, but the people behind them are square pegs trying to fit into round holes.
Learn how to promote your games.

[salazarus]

ORIGINAL: Seytan



Well
the lack of activity here on the forum isn't a good sign.
Ive asked questions and gotten no answers. Frankly I don't like that.
In fact that is a huge detriment to all these games that pop up without proper foresight on how to present them.
Might be great, but the people behind them are square pegs trying to fit into round holes.
Learn how to promote your games.

Try ageods forums. It is best place to ask questions about their games. Most players hang out there.
Link:
http://www.ageod-forum.com/forumdisplay ... -Years-War

[Gilmer]

If you are worried about the amount of turns in the campaign, the first several years go quickly because it starts as a revolt within the HRE and you have 1-2 formations to move per turn. You can whip through several years fairly quickly. A lot more quickly than most of their other titles.

As for why they chose it, I think that it was the decision of people who are loosely related to Ageod and who used their engine.

I know about the Thirty Years War but not a lot. These games give me a reason and the incentive to research the conflict and many of the leaders and reasons behind it. These games are wonderful for learning about the past.

[Moltke71]

To learn about TYW, try Geoffrey Parker's and C.V. Wedgewood'a books. Bookfinder.com has some good deals on Wedgewood's book.

[Lobster]

It always strikes me as a bit melodramatic when someone complains about a game they don't even play. It's like complaining about an item of food that you have neither tasted nor smelled.

[Aurelian]

http://www.amazon.com/Thirty-Years-War- ... r+h+wilson

Is a good one.

[Jorgito]

How about some feedback from someone who's already played it?

After Saturday afternoon with the game I can confirm this is garbage.
1. Price - £20. OK, not too bad, but these days you can buy Early Access games on steam from £10 and they will be much much better.
2. Subject - interesting, that's why I went for it despite my previous (mostly so so) experiences with AGEOD
3. The game itself - absolute rubbish. Same old engine (ok, it works so why not) but it crashed at least 5 times. Missing description, spelling errors. Come on, is this a beta or what?
I played the bohemian revolt scenario and the grand campaign as Catholics. All settings on normal.
Here's the list of some issues I remember:

Bohemia revolt scen:
- I won every single battle, I even scored some morale points (most of the battles end without moral shift) but there's no way to get the major victory as my morale never gets over 175, nor the opponent's drop below 40. There is no way for it to happen as I see it. So, a minor victory. Every time. Boring but ok.

Campaign
- Enemy leaders are visible after their units have been destroyed, just lingering over map in your 100% controlled provinces.
- Bohemians keep getting artillery reinforcements in Prague which is Catholics occupied. Clever. I just parked a regiment of cossacks there and was given free captured units every year.
- I used the auto-buy option for buying replacements and at the start of the turn AI does buy it causing your supplies (War Supplies in game) to go into negative value.
- I destroyed the Protestants quickly but after Denmark there was no Sweden or French intervention. That means that from 1630 to the very tedious 1648 nothing happened!!! I had stacks of doom (worth 1500 combat points), 800 ducats and loads of WS with nothing to do. And the best part is - it was a minor victory (31000 points vs 1500) as I didn't take Stettin to win an automatic victory. The thing is you can't because it's lockout out, probably until Swedish entry
In the end it was a wasted afternoon I'm never getting back.

The game as it is sadly follows the same path as previous AGEOD games - brilliant idea (like Pride of Nations) but poor execution. Bugs you would not expect to see from betas and lack of planning for late game development.

[loki100]

ok and what settings did you use, if you set up the AI with no bonuses it will be easy to beat, give it a hand and its a challenge.

I've played the Paladins scenario a couple of times from both sides. AI is fine in that, looks for advantages, with the weaker side is good at evading battle, with the stronger side goes looking for battle.

[Uxbridge]

I spent 10 hours yesterday playing the Protestants in the full campaign, and, in my view, I have already got my moneys worth from the game. I don't play one turn a minute like Jorgita, so I haven't gotten very far yet, only Spring 1624. Instead I take time to consider every turn carefully, looking at rules and trying to understand the mechanics. I have had the odd crash or two, and I noticed some columns in the Regions list not working properly.

I have tried a lot of Ageod games before and failed for various reasons. But I learned to like Pride of Nations (even though I gave it up on the ground of some ecenomical issue [in the game, that is] that wasn't resolved before I lost interest) and Alea Jacta Est which I only stopped playing when my opponent had to quit.

This one I liked immediately and I hope the issues Jorgita and others have pointed out, will be adress in patches soon. I'm all happy this far.

Oh, yes ... and I found one of my ancestors among the units. [:)]

[rsallen64]

I can't wait to get this game and give it a try. I love the TYW period. And yes, I am one of the 1% of Americans who are familiar with this period. I've spent $30 on games before that gave me only several hours of play, mediocre at best. I've never had that experience with one of Ageod's games, and I don't expect it with this one. The details in the map, the research behind the factions and the leaders, the CHANCE to even PLAY this period is worth the money to me. I never thought any game company would dive into this period. I would pay twice the amount asked for the chance to game this period. And I do have the Wedgwood, Parker, and the latest TYW tome that I paid full price for.

[Rosseau]

It is exciting when AGEOD hits on a topic that is of prime interest to you. After Spanish Civil War (no interest), I prefer the "big" games like TEAW where the main AGEOD team is working on the game. Also, these games usually cost more, understandably.

Maybe an outside developer will do a Southeast Asia game starting with France's "occupation." [:)]

[rhondabrwn]

I would like to see a mod based on the alternative history presented in Eric Flint's "Ring of Fire" books

http://www.amazon.com/1632-Ring-Fire-Er ... 0671319728

Exploring the Thirty Year's War map has already been educational in putting the novels into proper perspective.

The Baltic Naval War would make a great scenario

http://www.amazon.com/1634-The-Baltic-R ... _14_text_z