Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Dysta]

I actually not into Jane's military report after 90s, but for this report however, they took it very seriously. Looks like A-star really caught them attentions:



http://www.janes.com/article/53064/beij ... er-sensors

Beijing tech show highlights advances in Chinese fighter sensors

Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

19 July 2015

China's Jiangsu A-Star Aviation Industries Company (A-Star) used the first Beijing exhibition promoting "civil-military integration" to reveal new combat aircraft electro-optical systems, some of which may be slated for the country's fifth-generation fighters.

(More at link)

Update:

I mean really, all the 'generic' stuffs in J-31's database? At least try to rename rather than just leave those be.

[Mgellis]

UPDATED ON 9/10/15 AT 11:10 PM EST

Here is some information for platforms from Nicaragua.

There is no rush on these. I hope they can be included with version 441 of the database, and if so, I will definitely find a use for them--lots of possibilities for low intensity conflicts between Nicaragua and other central American nations (or the U.S. Coast Guard)--but it is not urgent.

(At this point, I think most of the platforms are already in the database, so for some of them I think it may just be a matter of adding the entry and the operational dates.)

Many thanks for considering these platforms.

Information from Jane’s Fighting Ships, Wikipedia, and various web sites (listed below)

SF-260W
Operational dates: 1982-1992

General characteristics

Crew: One
Capacity: Two passengers
Length: 7.1 m (23 ft 0 in)
Wingspan: 8.35 m (26 ft 11.75 in)
Height: 2.41 m (8 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 10.1 m² (109 ft²)
Empty weight: 765 kg (1,488 lb)
Loaded weight: 1,100 kg (2,425 lb)
Max. takeoff weight: 1,200 kg (utility) 1,100 kg (aerobatic) (2,866 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Lycoming O-540-E4A5, 195 kW (260 hp)

Performance

Maximum speed: 441 km/h (236 knots, 276 mph)
Cruise speed: 330 km/h (178 knots, 205 mph)
Range: 2,050 km (1,107 NM, 1,274 mi)
Service ceiling: 5,790 m (19,000 ft)
Rate of climb: 9.1 m/s (1,791 ft/min)

Armament

Two under-wing hard points, each can carry 300 kg (661 lb)
(Loadouts appears to be either 2 x 7.62mm gun pod or 2 x 68mm SNEB rocket pods with 6 rockets each)


Mil Mi-17
Appears to be the standard NATO Hip-H
Operational dates: 1981-present

Mi-25
Appears to be the standard NATO Hind-D
Operational dates: 1981-1992

An-26
Appears to be the standard NATO Curl-A
Operational dates: 1986-present

SAM Sec (SA-7b Grail MANDPADS x 3)
Operational dates: 1983-present


Zhuk-class PB
Pennant numbers: 304, 305, 307, 309, 311, 313, 315, and 317 listed in Janes
Displacement: 50 tons full load
Dimensions (23 m. x 5.2 m. x 1.9 m.)
Main machinery: 2 M50 diesels, 2400 hp, 2 shafts
Speed: 30 knots
Range: 1100 naut. miles at 15 knots
Complement: 17
Guns 4 x 14.5mm MG (two twin mounts)
Radars: Surface search; Spin Trough; I band
Operational dates: 1982-present

Yevgenya-class Minehunter
Operational dates: 1984-present
Pennant numbers listed in Janes: 501, 503, 504, and 506
Displacement: 90 tons full load
Dimensions: 26 m. x 6.1. m. x 1.5 m.
Main machinery: 2 diesels; 850 hp; 2 shafts
Speed: 11 knots
Range: 300 miles at 10 knots
Complement: 10
Guns: 2 x 25mm (twin mount)
Radars: Surface search/navigation; Don 2; I-band
Sonars: small sonar (generic?) lifted over stern on crane


Dabur-class PB
Operational dates: 1978-present
Pennant numbers: three currently in operation are GC 201, GC 203, and GC 205
Displacement: 39 tons full load
Dimensions: 19.8 m x 5.5 m. x 1.8 m.
Main machinery: 2 GM 12V-71TS; 840 hp (626 kw) sustained; 2 shafts
Speed: 15 knots
Range: 450 naut. miles at 13 knots
Complement: 8
Guns 2 x 23mm/80 (twin mount); 2 x 12.7mm MG
Radars: Surface search; Decca; I-band

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicaraguan_Air_Force

http://www.scramble.nl/orbats/nicaragua/overview

http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1986/URGEN ... 45b317d916

http://aircombat.com/about/our-aircraft ... ti-sf-260/

[Dysta]

Also one more Iranian 'non-star' even before the revolution: KC-33A super tanker. Still operational from recent parade:



Wikipedia:
KC-33A – A proposed 747 was also adapted as an aerial refueling tanker and was bid against the DC-10-30 during the 1970s Advanced Cargo Transport Aircraft (ACTA) program that produced the KC-10A Extender. Before the Khomeini-led revolution, Iran bought four 747-100 aircraft with air-refueling boom conversions to support its fleet of F-4 Phantoms.[177][178] It is unknown whether these aircraft remain usable as tankers. Since then, other proposals have emerged for adaptation of later 747-400 aircraft for this role.[177]

Not sure if 110 Tons would be its actual fuel size, but it's definitely worth to add into database.

[PN79]

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Here is some information for platforms from Nicaragua.

...

Aero L-39 Albatros
Appears to be the L-39ZO rather than the L-39ZA, but it is very hard to tell
Operational dates: 1982-1992

...

SA-3 SAM
Appears to be the standard battery
Operational dates: 1986-present

Are you sure that Nicaragua get SA-3? There are some contradicting sources about it:

https://books.google.cz/books?id=4nFA9V ... 22&f=false

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986 ... -diplomats

Nicaragua is not on the list of SA-3 recipients from Hpasp (in documentation: https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home )

Also I am not sure if Nicaragua get any L-39 at all:

http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Aero_L-39_Albatros

http://www.scramble.nl/orbats/nicaragua/overview

[Mgellis]

I stand corrected! Thank you for catching those two errors. The SA-3 data was actually from material collected for a different country--it got mixed in by accident when I edited the Word document I was using this morning. I apologize for the error!

I also did not realize the L-39s had been intercepted. I thought they had been successfully delivered. Again, I apologize for the error.

ORIGINAL: PN79

ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Here is some information for platforms from Nicaragua.

...

Aero L-39 Albatros
Appears to be the L-39ZO rather than the L-39ZA, but it is very hard to tell
Operational dates: 1982-1992

...

SA-3 SAM
Appears to be the standard battery
Operational dates: 1986-present

Are you sure that Nicaragua get SA-3? There are some contradicting sources about it:

https://books.google.cz/books?id=4nFA9V ... 22&f=false

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1986 ... -diplomats

Nicaragua is not on the list of SA-3 recipients from Hpasp (in documentation: https://sites.google.com/site/samsimulator1972/home )

Also I am not sure if Nicaragua get any L-39 at all:

http://wiki.scramble.nl/index.php/Aero_L-39_Albatros

http://www.scramble.nl/orbats/nicaragua/overview

[Mgellis]

Nicaragua does appear to have the SA-7, since at least 1983 (operational dates: 1983-present). There is some disagreement in the sources I found if Nicaragua has the SA-14 and the SA-16 as well, but all agree on the SA-7. Since the SA-7B appeared in 1968, and the Nicaraguans probably would not have purchased it until at least 1979, it seems likely they had SA-7B MANPAD variant.

Wikipedia is the primary source here, but I'm also relying on Military Balance.

[kgambit]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks for the details kgambit. Are these high-priority items that you need for a scen?

No rush on those at the present.

[SASR]

Quick Question. What is the baseline RCS for which the DB radar range numbers are set?

[ComDev]

Not sure I understood the question, can you please elaborate [8D]

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: Broncepulido
for me Mk.54 HAAWC should be clearly a glider/torpedo/ASROC type torpedo-carrier. seven to ten miles gliding range stated here: http://www.militaryaerospace.com/articl ... o-asw.html

Have updated this torpedo to using a glider body to the target. Range is 8nm.

[ComDev]

Thanks everyone for your input. The requests for new platforms are added to my to-do list but have very low priority. Some fixes/corrections are being made, but will probably not be released for some time.

[ComDev]

Mark, on the Nicaraguan corrections, could you update the original post please? That way I only have to link to a single platform request which reduces the chanses of error.

Thanks!

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: jun5896

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Noted, thanks! Will add to my to-do list, but none of these have very high priority right now. Please see announcement at the top of the page [8D]

Do you have more info on the various aircraft variants?

Thanks again.

I see. It's Okay.

MiG-31M; it was cancelled project. Maybe it would procure in 1990's - now MiG-31BM is more advanced.
Yak-43; only project. it promised a considerable improvement on the Yak-141M.
MiG-23K; It was a carrier-borne fighter variant based on the MiG-23ML.(it is for DB 3000 and CW. maybe need to add some soviet CV project for DB 3000 .)
MiG-23A; It was multi-role variant based on the "MiG-23K" However, cancellation and subsequent redesign of the Soviet aircraft carrier project also caused cancellation of the MiG-23A and MiG-23K variants and sub-variants. It was planned to develop the MiG-23A into three different sub-variants:
MiG-23AI was to be a dedicated fighter.
MiG-23AB was to be an attack-dedicated variant.
MiG-23AR a dedicated reconnaissance variant.

Above MiG-23 series are more matching 70~80's era Soviet Union carrier plan(ex : Project 1153 Orel).

MiG-21-97 and MiG-23-98 or MiG-23-98-2 are replace old MiG fighters and add for Russia.

MiG-29M(Project 9.15) 90's MiG-29 upgrade program. and it advanced MiG-29M2; It introduced in 2005.

Su-27M; Soviet era project, Improved demonstrators for an advanced single-seat multi-role Su-27s derivative.

Su-27PU; Soviet era project, Two Seat version of the Su-27P interceptor, designed to supprot with tactical data other single-seat Su-27P, MiG-31 and other interceptor aircraft in PVO service. Later prototypes renamed Su-30 by Russia.

Su-30M/Su-30MK; Next-generation multi-role two-seater. A few Su-30Ms were built for Russian evaluation in the mid-1990s, though little came of the effort.(for mid-90's Russia)

Su-27SM; Mid-life upgraded Russian Su-27S, featuring technology evaluated in the Su-27M demonstrators.(Also for mid-90's Russia)

Su-27KUB; Essentially an Su-27K carrier-based twin-seater with a side-by-side cockpit, for use as a naval carrier trainer or multi-role aircraft.


So if add above aircraft, also need USSR 70's~80's carrier and suggested Su-33 other proposed variants and MiG-29K and Su-50 PAK-FA naval variant. Thus, I propose to add mid-2010 tech for Russian hypothetical carrier Ulyanovsk.


Umm. I found some aircraft information for hypothetical USSR-Ruissa side.


P.S> I read before thread, I correct RF-16C full naming is RKF-16C(it based KF-16C on Blk 52)

Thanks for the info Jun. The upgraded South Korean Blk 52 is named RKF-16C in the database [8D]

[SASR]

Nevermind I got it now. I was confused on whether the radar ranges in command were based on a specific RCS value or whether the listed range was the maximum possible detection range of any target.

[ComDev]

There was a big discussion earlier on whether the J-31 should be included at all. It seems awfully prototypish and some sources suggest it may be developed for export only.

If you feel like compiling a list of the sensors that J-31 is likely to use, please post it here and I'll update the database. An educated (and sober!) guess on capabilities would be nice too.

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: Dysta

I actually not into Jane's military report after 90s, but for this report however, they took it very seriously. Looks like A-star really caught them attentions:



http://www.janes.com/article/53064/beij ... er-sensors

Beijing tech show highlights advances in Chinese fighter sensors

Richard D Fisher Jr, Washington, DC - IHS Jane's Defence Weekly

19 July 2015

China's Jiangsu A-Star Aviation Industries Company (A-Star) used the first Beijing exhibition promoting "civil-military integration" to reveal new combat aircraft electro-optical systems, some of which may be slated for the country's fifth-generation fighters.

(More at link)

Update:

I mean really, all the 'generic' stuffs in J-31's database? At least try to rename rather than just leave those be.

[ComDev]

The Iranian tanker variant is already there (of course!) [:D]

Filter on '747' in the database viewer and you'll find it.

ORIGINAL: Dysta

Also one more Iranian 'non-star' even before the revolution: KC-33A super tanker. Still operational from recent parade:



Wikipedia:
KC-33A – A proposed 747 was also adapted as an aerial refueling tanker and was bid against the DC-10-30 during the 1970s Advanced Cargo Transport Aircraft (ACTA) program that produced the KC-10A Extender. Before the Khomeini-led revolution, Iran bought four 747-100 aircraft with air-refueling boom conversions to support its fleet of F-4 Phantoms.[177][178] It is unknown whether these aircraft remain usable as tankers. Since then, other proposals have emerged for adaptation of later 747-400 aircraft for this role.[177]

Not sure if 110 Tons would be its actual fuel size, but it's definitely worth to add into database.

[Dysta]

Strange, I can't find it by typing 'KC-33A'.

But well... [:'(]

[ComDev]

In my post it said '747' [8D]

The KC-33A was a different variant of the aircraft. Thus the Iranian tanker isn't using the US designation.

[Dysta]

Well that's kinda awkward, Iran have 4 of these before the revolution, so I think it should had at least a different name for an airliner with a refueling broom.

Maybe you're right, it was just an experiment after all.

[jun5896]

[ADDED DB v441]

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... fp-416540/
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/09/ ... 5Q20150908
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13633/ ... fFEbnDtmko


Japan will selects conclusively KC-46A in 2014-2018 Mid-Term Defense Program. It will secure budget in 2016, and procure three new airborne refueling aircraft until 2018.