Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[KLAB]

[ADDED DB v441]

Nice update again with 440,thank you for the amended PL-8B.

Could I ask for a correction to the Su-27 load outs please, as its a significant type and used somewhat more than Honduran patrol boats?

I appreciate there has been much debate over whether the AA-10D is operational but....

The link is to photos taken from a Norwegian P-3 which appear to show what is an operational Su-27 over the Baltic in 2014 with a pair of R-27ETs (AA-10D Alamo D) on the relevant No2 and No10 pylon (the only ones I believe have the necessary equipment for the IR cooling?).
The missiles are too long to be R-27T's based on the corresponding length of the R-73's in comparison.

http://errymath.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ ... fHtI6OFP4Y

Can an additional load out please be added to the Russian/Soviet Su-27 entries (all SU-27 versions with 10 pylons)
#2155 Su-27P
#603 Su-27S 1992
#2370 Su-27S 1994
#134 Su-27 USSR 1987/1991


I would suggest for pre-1998:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#1896 2 x AA-11/R-73
#2540 2 x L-005S pods

And for later models:
#847 Su-27SM2/3

Suggested load of:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#2053 2 x AA-11/R-73M
#2540 2 x L-005S pods.

The Su-30(all Russian/Soviet era models) would presumably also be carrying the Alamo D?

Regards

Karl

[SASR]

Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."

[Tomcat84]

Karl, I have a question: why would they carry 2 of the A model and not just 4 of the C model? Is there any reasoning for this?

[Mgellis]

Original post updated.

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Mark, on the Nicaraguan corrections, could you update the original post please? That way I only have to link to a single platform request which reduces the chanses of error.

Thanks!

[Dysta]

As far as I know ASAT missiles have to lead the satellite's approach, rather than chasing it.

[jun5896]

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/braz ... gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/ ... fU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/braz ... f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: jun5896

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/braz ... gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/ ... fU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/braz ... f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.

+1

Might be too early but this is also on my list of things I need for a scenario.

[Af1352pasha]

Can you revised SU-34 load out base on wiki specification to use various armament?

Actually SU-34 can be fire Kh-35 (AS-20) anti-ship missile and other missiles.

Missiles:

R-27 (AA-10) air-to-air missile
R-73 (AA-11) air-to-air missile
R-77 (AA-12) air-to-air missile
Kh-29L/T (AS-14) air-to-ground missile
Kh-38 new generation air-to-ground missile with a range of 40 km
Kh-25MT/ML/MP (AS-10) air-to-ground missile or anti-radiation missile
Kh-59M (AS-18) air-to-ground missile
Kh-58 (AS-11) anti-radiation missile
Kh-31 (AS-17) anti-radiation or anti-ship missile
Kh-35 (AS-20) anti-ship missile
P-800 Oniks missile (SS-N-26 Strobile) anti-ship missile (version for the Air Force). Version he named "Alpha"[82] weight of 1500 kg with a range of up to 300 km and a speed in the range of numbers M = 2.2-3.0. Officially not in service.[82][83]
Kh-65SE or Kh-SD cruise missile

Regards

[ComDev]

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DEVELOPER'S NOTE: Database development slow-down!

Hey guys,

Just wanted to let you know that I have now re-directed my limited Command time (which is squeezed inbetween family life, day-job, workout, and various other interests) to write code. My code contributions have been rather limited lately and I need to add several new features and fix a few bugs before I can start working on the Advanced Strike Planner.

This means I will only fix reported errors/inaccuracies in existing platforms and only make critical additions, i.e. units needed for a scenario currently under construction. Nice-to-have stuff (that no-one will ever use in a scenario anyway haha) will not be added.

If there is anything you consider extremely important (...enough to justify spending time on adding / fixing, rather than having me working on code) then feel feee to post. If not then you'll find me burried deep down in the Command game engine.

Thanks! [:D]
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Thanks, do you have photos showing operational Su-34s carrying these weapons? Thanks [8D]

[ComDev]

Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?

ORIGINAL: SASR

Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."

[ComDev]

Nice! Any clues on weapon package?

ORIGINAL: jun5896

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/braz ... gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/ ... fU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/braz ... f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.

[ComDev]

Good catch! [:D]

Added!

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Nice update again with 440,thank you for the amended PL-8B.

Could I ask for a correction to the Su-27 load outs please, as its a significant type and used somewhat more than Honduran patrol boats?

I appreciate there has been much debate over whether the AA-10D is operational but....

The link is to photos taken from a Norwegian P-3 which appear to show what is an operational Su-27 over the Baltic in 2014 with a pair of R-27ETs (AA-10D Alamo D) on the relevant No2 and No10 pylon (the only ones I believe have the necessary equipment for the IR cooling?).
The missiles are too long to be R-27T's based on the corresponding length of the R-73's in comparison.

http://errymath.blogspot.co.uk/2015/01/ ... fHtI6OFP4Y

Can an additional load out please be added to the Russian/Soviet Su-27 entries (all SU-27 versions with 10 pylons)
#2155 Su-27P
#603 Su-27S 1992
#2370 Su-27S 1994
#134 Su-27 USSR 1987/1991


I would suggest for pre-1998:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#1896 2 x AA-11/R-73
#2540 2 x L-005S pods

And for later models:
#847 Su-27SM2/3

Suggested load of:

#1901 2 x AA-10A/R-27R
#1899 2 x AA-10C/R-27ER
#1101 2 x AA-10D/R-27ET
#2053 2 x AA-11/R-73M
#2540 2 x L-005S pods.

The Su-30(all Russian/Soviet era models) would presumably also be carrying the Alamo D?

Regards

Karl

[Vici Supreme]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Nice! Any clues on weapon package?

ORIGINAL: jun5896

http://www.janes.com/article/53828/braz ... gripen-ngs
http://www.defenseworld.net/news/13858/ ... fU0RXDtmko
http://www.janes.com/article/45013/braz ... f-fighters


Brazil's contract for 36 Gripen E/F fighters makes it the first export customer for the type.
As well as signing for the aircraft, Brazil and Saab have agreed a 10-year industrial co-operation deal.
Deliveries for the 28 single-seat Gripen E and eight twin-seat Gripen F aircraft will begin in 2019 and run through to 2024.

All I know is that Brazil eyes to integrate the A-Darter and maybe also an indigenous BVRAAM. Probably also the MAR-1 ARM.

http://www.janes.com/article/50724/laad ... rocurement

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?

ORIGINAL: SASR

Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."

Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.

[KLAB]

Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.

It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.

Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?

Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.[:)]
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest

4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.

Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!

Regards
Karl

[Rhygin00]

I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Rhygin00

I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.

I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.

Thanks!

Mike

[SASR]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Hmmmm not entirely sure what to do here... thoughts?

ORIGINAL: SASR

Currently SM-3 Block IA maximum target engagement speed is is set at 8000 knots, and SM-3 Block IB/IIA is currently 12000 knots. In 2008 the US shot down a damaged satellite with a SM-3 Block IA travelling a reportedly 17,500 MPH, or 15200 knots. So maybe can you bump up the maximum engagement speed to 15200 kts? I want to fiddle with some SM-3 ASAT operations on command [:)]

From : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA-193 (The reference to the speed of the satellite on the wiki page is a DoD new release but when I click the link nothing appears on the defense.gov page)

"On February 21, 03:26 GMT an SM-3 missile was fired from the Ticonderoga class missile cruiser USS Lake Erie, and intercepted USA-193 about 133 nautical miles (247 kilometers)[25] above the Pacific Ocean. The satellite was travelling with a velocity of about 17,500 mph (around 28,000 km/h or 7.8 km/s). The velocity of the impact was about 22,000 mph. The Department of Defense expressed a "high degree of confidence" that the fuel tank was hit and destroyed.[27]"

http://www.defensemedianetwork.com/stor ... rnt-frost/

"Although the SM-3 Blk IA was not designed to shoot down ICBMs, the margins are sufficient to perform that mission as demonstrated in the satellite shoot-down in 2008."

Need more data to be sure. Geometry might of been a front shot not a tail chase.

Oh yes it definitely was not a tail chase. I was trying to say that the fastest target an SM-3 can currently engage in game is going 12000 knots, which I suggested should be increased to 15200 knots based on Operation Burnt Frost. Again, 15200 knots is the speed of the target, not the SM-3 itself.

Sorry for the misunderstanding, I am very inarticulate when trying to explain things[:(]

[ComDev]

ORIGINAL: mikmyk

ORIGINAL: Rhygin00

I'm sure you're aware that the LRASM is going to be carried by the F-35? The database doesn't reflect this though. The B1 has it, the F/A-18 has it, but not the Lightning.

I think we're still digging to know what the actual loadout will be.

Thanks!

Mike

...and the actual date [8D] Details would be much appreciated.

[ComDev]

Several aircraft in the database use a full Alamo-C loadout, such as Chinese J-11s, Indian, Angolan and Algerian Su-30s, etc. Photos confirm these have been carrying an all-Long-Range Alamo loadout.

Will add this loadout to more aircraft when we have info suggesting the a/c use them operationally [8D]

Thanks!

ORIGINAL: KLAB

Apologies in delayed reply I've been away.

It's a good point ref having an all long burn Alamo C/D load.
I can't see any reason why it (Su-27/30) couldn't carry 4 Alamo C and 2 D's as the pylons are all capable.

Operationally you could argue that if you had four long range Alamos C/D' to launch in a closing engagement you'd be at Alamo A range anyway by the time it became apparent the Alamo C/D had failed?
It may make sense having mixed long short burn Alamos to avoid unnecessary weight?

Can't say I've seen much imagery of operational Flankers carrying weaponry/pods on all ten pylons though. Air show ground displays don't really count.[:)]
I will have to do more research.
Plus now that Ragnars already updated DB441 (thanks) I'm embarrassed to suggest

4 x R-27ER
2 X R-27ET
2 X R-73/R-73M etc
2 X L-005.

Pre AIM-120 this would have made the Su-27/30 pretty formidable!

Regards
Karl