Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: Sunburn


...and to confuse matters even more [:)], Navy-Recognition presents Palma as having Sosna-R SAMs integrated:

There is nothing confusing , if we look at development of situation

here is pure Palma:

http://navsource.narod.ru/photos/09/273/09273006.jpg

"Vietnam want missiles on Plama? Not a problem, we add Sosna-R and laser channel for guidance, should totally works!" :

"Missiles miss the targets? We need laser rangefinder(transmitter and reciver) ? Ok lets see if we can also guide missile with this laser" :

"Still not working? We need separate laser for guidance ? GRRRRR , ok total redesign of Automatic optronic control system (AOCS)" :

"Finally success ! Missile hit the target, guns working fine. Lets sell this thing , and for unifications lets sell Palma and Palash with unified AOCS , we can say to buyers of Palma ,if in future you have more money and want upgrade your ships you dont need new modules, just buy our missiles and install on Palma to turn it into Palash, best marketing evar!"

so, there is nothing confusing, just different stages of development

[Dimitris]

Thanks!

So, currently Palma and Palash use the very same EO/IR/Laser turret ?

[Triode]

ORIGINAL: Sunburn

Thanks!

So, currently Palma and Palash use the very same EO/IR/Laser turret ?

Yes , currently Palma is just Palash without missiles

[Mgellis]

I've been watching way too much anime...those first two Palma and Palash things look like something from a mecha series. Or maybe something from Dr. Who. [:)]

[Dimitris]

My first thought was this: http://terminator.wikia.com/wiki/Series_T1

[Dysta]

I don't know if that's relative to DB3000, but I wonder how those derivate of duel AK-630s, both legacy and modernized, could compare to the Chinese 11-barrels beast?

Only two were the same are 30mm calibers, and 10000 rounds per minute. The rest would surely be different, only by how?

The picture of H/P-J 14 is here:

[SASR]

Weapon request, Low priority

Source:http://www.au.af.mil/au/afri/aspj/digit ... trucha.pdf

Designation: GBU-62B(V-1)/B Quickstrike-ER
Type: Extended Range Air-launched Naval mine, Based off Mk62 Quickstrike
Platforms: B-52, F/A-18E/F Super Hornet, B-1B Lancer, P-3C
Range: 40 nm
Loadouts: Same as Mk.62 loadouts for the designated aircraft

If anybody has the IOC date that would be fantastic, because I can't find it


"The short range of the JDAM provides little standoff, but the addition
of a wing kit corrects that deficiency. The GBU-62B(V-1)/B QuickstrikeER
is Pacific Air Forces’ nomenclature for an Mk-62 Quickstrike configured
with a BSU-104 JDAM-ER wing and the GBU-38’s guidance kit.
The range of the system is in excess of 40 nm when launched from
35,000 feet.

These kits, applied to the Mk-62 Quickstrike, allow both precision
delivery and “one-pass” standoff mine laying from either medium or
high altitude.18 A bomber aircraft with a full load of guided Quickstrike-ERs
can lay an effective minefield with a single release sequence.
Mines with guidance kits can be laid in an unpredictable pattern, making
mine clearance that much more difficult; furthermore, they can be
tailored to the characteristics of specific waterways.

The implications for the Quickstrike-ER (fig. 2) go beyond precision,
allowing aircraft to emplace mines from range. Today, only F-18, P-3,
B-1, and B-52 crews train for mining. JDAM training, on the other
hand, is ubiquitous. There is no practical difference between JDAM
employment against a fixed ground target or a fixed location under
shallow water; no additional training for basic mine laying is required."

[severe7]

[FIXED DB v442]

Hello

The Swedish helicopter #2348 - Hkp14F [NH90 NFH] has a very powerful dipping sonar in DB 440, the range is 80 nm, I think this is a typo since The french version only has 8 nm.

[Pancor]

hello

i think the MiG-29SMT for russia main Radar is not N-019MP rather the N010M Zhuk-M

thanks

[ultradave]

[UPDATED DB v442]

I see that the HMS Astute has been fixed to show that it only has one reactor.

The US SEAWOLF class though, still shows 2 reactors. It only has on S6W reactor. That includes the JIMMY CARTER as well.

The class consists of:
SSN21 SEAWOLF
SSN22 CONNECTICUT
SSN23 JIMMY CARTER (modified - special ops sub with extra MMP module spliced into the middle hull section)

Some sources:

http://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_print ... t=4&page=1
(navy.mil - most “official source” — see General Characteristics toward the bottom after home ports)

Other unofficial sources.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/seawolf/

http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/080021.htm

http://fas.org:8080/man/dod-101/sys/ship/ssn-21.htm

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -specs.htm

[skjold89]

[ADDED DB v442]

As most modern combat in the current geopolitical climate takes place against between or against rebel forces, i would like to expand on the generic rebel stuff. They already have a Technical and Inf Platoon and some other generic stuff but i would like some more.

I would like to add this:

Mortar Plt (Generic 81 mm and Generic 120 mm)
The only mortar platoons in the game at the moment is operated by Sweden but mortars are the most commonly used artillery piece by rebel forces as they are cheap, easy to operate and easy to move.
Generic stats would do.

Armed Technical with ZU-23-2
Basicly a flatbed truck with an anti-air gun in the back.

[Pancor]

[ADDED DB v442]

Hello

can you add the Pantsir-M is the naval version of the Pantsir-S1

this specification is in Russian Language
militaryrussia.ru/blog/topic-677

and
deagel/Ship-Air-Defense-Systems/Pantsyr-M
in.rbth/economics/2014/09/05/russian_navy_to_buy_marine_version_of_the_pantsir_aamg_system_38081

Thanks [:)]

[mikmykWS]

ORIGINAL: Pancor

hello

i think the MiG-29SMT for russia main Radar is not N-019MP rather the N010M Zhuk-M

thanks

Can you post a source please

Thanks!

Mike

[Pancor]

[UPDATED DB v442]

the source from the MiG-29SMT from what i read is from

deagel/Strike-and-Fighter-Aircraft/Mig-29SMT_
wikipedia/wiki/Mikoyan_MiG-29#Upgraded_variants_based_on_original_airframe
migavia.ru/index.php/en/production/the-mig-29-fighters-family/mig-29smt-mig-29ub-upgraded
globalsecurity/military/world/russia/mig-29smt

[KLAB]

Since I have a few minutes....Presumably the ME just refers to the Export variant of the M?
Can't find any photos of an operational SMT aircraft with radar dome open to prove this though.

"The aircraft is installed with a multifunctional, multi-mode, lightweight pulse doppler airborne radar Zhuk-ME, which was developed by Phazotron-NIIR."
http://www.airforce-technology.com/proj ... -aircraft/


"The weapon control system of the MiG-29SMT aircraft is built around the ZHUK-ME advanced multimode radar developed by the PHASOTRON-NIIR Moscow-based company."
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -29smt.htm


"As such, the new MiG-29SMT will be fitted with a multifunction, multimode Zhuk-ME radar with air/air and ....."
http://defense-update.com/20140416_russ ... ionwqOFP4Y

http://toad-design.com/migalley/index.p ... huk-radar/ for some photos and an English sales brochure.

[Rongor]

ORIGINAL: emsoy

Thanks for getting back to me, please let me know if you stumble upon something else [8D]

Well I was stirred by nico71's doubts regarding the Kalibr/Klub question, which lead me to look up again on which sources I based my former posts to that cruise missile system. Frankly this brought back some confusion and I don't think I can uphold or prove that "Kalibr" is the name only for the ship launched land attack variant. In fact I see all SS-N-27 and SS-N-30 in the russian arsenal being Kalibrs.

Reviewing everything I think the most probable and reasonable situation is as described in this blog article Kalibr vs Klub: There's a Difference by 7FBTK. Additionally a look at the russian wikipedia (despite I know we don't really wanna see wikipedia as a real reliable resource here) article Калибр (крылатые ракеты) might be worth it.

Summarized I think (but can't prove) that this is the situation:

3M54 (SS-N-27 Sizzler) Anti-ship
3M14 (SS-N-30) Land attack
are both legit members of the Kalibr designation.
Export versions of these are sold as Klub.

One can only imagine that the confusion and the dominance of the use of the name Klub may connect to the fact that the parameters of the Klub complex are somewhat known, since the Klub is sold on the export market and therefore some advertising facts will have been disclosed, opposing to the still rather secret Kalibr characteristics. So it may occur that reports mentioning in fact the Kalibr present data of the Klub due to the lack of knowledge about the original weapon.

[Triode]

[UPDATED DB v442]

in database #2411 - MRK Buyan Mod [Pr.21631] have Half Hat [MP-405] and Wine Glass [MP-407] sustems ,
this is wrong should have TK-25 system :


also can you please add project 1164 Ustinov midlife upgrade in database?

as you can see ELINT and OECM&DECM changed to TK-28 system
instead of MR-800 and "Fregat" radars installed :
"Podberezovik-ET1"
http://smp-salyut.ru/pdf/podber1.pdf

and "Fregat-M2EM"
http://smp-salyut.ru/pdf/m2em.pdf

also according to annual report of"Granit-Electron":
http://www.e-disclosure.ru/portal/FileL ... id=1106227 in russian
"Osa-MA" modernized on base of "OSA-AKM1" (basically "Osa-AKM" modernized with "Tor-M2U" electronics, main goal of modernization reduce reaction time of system)


also about #2890 - MPK Vasil Bykov [Pr.22160]

This ship classification not MPK but Patrol Ship
this ship should have A-220M instead of AK-176MA :
http://www.severnoe.com/en/offers/warships/22160/
57-mm max range 12 km , max height 8 km,rate of fire 300 rpm, 400 53-UOF-281U (HE) ,53-UBR-281U (AP) or 53-UOR-281U (HE-Frag-Tracer shell) shells,
also there is "dreams" about guided ammo with range 8 km :


info aout gun:
http://www.burevestnik.com/products_engl/1.html

also there is no MGK-335EM-03 Zarya-3 on this ship , but ship can take up to two "modules" in 40-feet containers
http://s6.uploads.ru/izVwP.jpg
http://s3.uploads.ru/rCJYA.jpg
http://s3.uploads.ru/uZxJl.jpg

first module is Kalibr-K (aka "container Kalibr")

in one container can be 4x 3M54 AShM , 4x 3M14 land atack missile or 4x 91RT antisubmarine missile

second module is containerized version of Vinietka-EM
http://www.oceanpribor.ru/text/18.htm characteristics in russian

third is anti-mine modules with "Livadia" and "Maevka"

Kalibr-K modules exist now(except variant with 4x 91RT antisubmarine missile, this missile only rescently enter "testing from ships" stage)
Vinietka-EM "container version" does not exist (currently in development stage)
Anti-Mine modules currently very theoretical thing (nobody pay for this for now)



and just for fun Su-25SM testing KAB-500S GLONASS guided bomb [:)]

http://russianplanes.net/id56463

[Mgellis]

[ADDED DB v442]

Now that v1.09 is out, I figure it is safe to make a few new requests. [:)]

Iceland

(Sources include Wikipedia, Janes Fighting Ships, etc.)

Aegir class Offshore Patrol vessel
Pennant numbers: Ægir (Aegir), Týr (Tyr)
Operational dates: 1968-present
Displacement: 1,214 tonnes, 1500 tons full load
Length: 71.15 m (233.4 ft)
Beam: 10 m (33 ft)
Draught: 5.80 m (19.0 ft)
Propulsion: MAN 8L40/54 × 2; 2 × 3163 kW (4300 BHP)
Speed: 20 knots (37 km/h) (Janes says 19 for Aegir and 20 for Tyr)
Range (full load): 5,500 NM at 12 kts; 3,700 NM at 18 kts (Janes says 9,000 miles at 18 knots; this must be at standard load?)
Complement: 16-19 (room for 64)
Radar: Surface Search: Sperry; E/F-band; Navigation: Furuno; I-band
Sonar: Hull-mounted high-frequency active search

Armament:
Version 1: 1968-1990: QF 6-pounder Hotchkiss (57mm)
Version 2: 1991-2010: 40 mm Bofors L60 auto-cannon
Version 3: 2011-present: 40 mm Bofors L70 auto-cannon


ICGV Thor
Operational dates: 2011-
Displacement: 3,920 t (4,321 st)
Length: 93.80 m (307.7 ft)
Beam: 16 m (52 ft)
Height: 30 m (98 ft)
Draught: 5.80 m (19.0 ft)
Installed power: 2 × 4,500 kW Rolls Royce Bergen diesel
Propulsion: 2 × 450 kW bow tunnel thrusters and one in the aft; 883 kW retractable azimuth thruster
Speed: 20 knots
Range: ????? (I could not find anything for this, but it is meant to replace the Odinn, so should we assume 9,500 miles at 18 knots?)
Boats & landing craft carried: 2 MOB boats (7-meter boats)
Complement: 48
Sensors and processing systems: 1 × S-band radar, 2 × X-band radar, Synthetic aperture sonar
Armament: 1 × 40 mm Bofors, 2 × 12.7mm machine guns
Aviation facilities: Helicopter in-flight refueling capabilities (HIFR). (I’m guessing this means pad but no hanger?)
Notes: Bollard pull: 120 t (132.3 st)



ICGV Odinn
Operational dates: 1960-2006
Displacement: 910 long tons; 1200 tons full load
Length: 208 ft 11 in (63.68 m)
Beam: 33 ft (10 m)
Draught: 18 ft (5.5 m)
Propulsion: B&W V.B.F 62 x 2 (2096 kW)
Speed: 18 knots (21 mph; 33 km/h)
Range: 9,500 miles at 17 knots
Complement: 19
Sensors and processing systems: Surface Search: Sperry; E/F-band; Navigation: Furuno; I-band

Armament:
Version 1: 1960-1989: QF 6-pounder Hotchkiss (57mm)
Version 2: 1990-2006: 40 mm Bofors L60 MKIII

Aircraft carried: One helicopter (I’m guessing pad but no hanger—it seems a bit small for a hanger)


Aerospatiale AS-332L1 Super Puma
Operational dates: 1995-present


F-27-200 Friendship
Operational dates: 1977-2008


Dash 8 Q 300
Operational dates: 2009-present

Surveillance sensors and SAR equipment
“The Dash8 Q300 MSA´s primary sensor for long range, large area surveillance and detection is the Elta EL/M – 2022 (V) 3 maritime search radar. The antenna is installed in a randome underneath the center of the fuselage, thus giving the radar a full and unobstructed 360°field of view. Thimynd5_ASs radar is capable of detecting small targets in rough seas as well as larger targets at ranges up to the radar horizon when the aircraft flies at its maximum operating altitude of 25,000 ft. To facilitate closer inspection of targets the MSA is equipped with Wescam MX-15 which provides stabilized day and night imagery. It also allows the operator to read ship names in very low light conditions. The aircraft will also be quickly detect and map any pollution at sea. The aircraft is equipped with a large rear cargo door which can be opened in flight for dropping of life rafts and other survival equipment.” --http://www.lhg.is/english/icg/about-us/ ... ets/tfsif/

“The sole Landhelgisgæslan plane (TF-SIF) uses the same sensor suite as on Sweden's Q300s – an EL/M-2022(V)3 search radar, [7] a SSC/Saab SLAR, a Wescam MX-15 EO/IR turret, and an Argon AA 3503 line scanner, all under a Mission Management System by L-3/IS. The Icelandic Q300 also features the Field air-openable rear door with chutes for air-dropping flares and SAR survival packs.” --http://www.casr.ca/ai-dash8-q300-specia ... patrol.htm

Thanks for considering these!

[Mgellis]

Another country worth adding...

Chad

(As far as I know, all of these aircraft are already in the database, so I just tracked down dates of service.)

Mi-24V Hind
Operational dates: 2008-present

Su-25 Frogfoot
Operational dates: 2008-present

AS350/550 Fennec
Operational dates: 2009-present

MiG-29A
(exact model not known, but purchased from Ukraine, so likely it is the MiG-29A)
Operational dates: 2014-present

PC-7
Operational dates: 1985-present

SF.260W
Operational dates: 1988-present

Thanks for considering these!

[mikmykWS]

Updated our list to this point. We're on break for awhile from DB stuff to focus on the application itself.

Thanks!

Mike