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RE: Aug 42 Summary

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Why the rush to retake Attu? If you have to wait until the spring, what is the harm in that? In contrast, Baker and the Ellice islands are much more important strategically IMHO.

Do you have a reasonable chance to reconquer Burma soon enough in order to relieve China, specifically the threat to Chungking?


You're right - there is no rush to take Attu - its a dead end. Just didn't expect 4 CVs to come up to the Aleutians. Re-thinking whether this can still be pulled off in '42.

Burma is a long range effort - will be 6-12 months before I can threaten the IJA pushing into Paoshan and offer some supply relief into China.
I disagree with not taking Attu soon (before Nov. 1 winter penalties kick in). There are a couple of reasons:

- If you wait until spring, he has time to build serious forts. Combined with terrain, that would require a long campaign of bombing or bombardment which he can raid with KB.

- Attu gives Japan a long Nav Search/Recon reach into NorPac which prevents the Allies preparing a significant surprise invasion. That frees up his forces to go elsewhere or get upgrades when he feels secure.

- Conversely, taking Attu now moves his search back about three days travel for an amphib TF. The base can be built up to support Allied efforts and threaten the Kuriles, to which he will have to allocate forces for defence. This keeps a Kuriles invasion option on the Allied table, in case the other theatres are too difficult or slow to progress in.

The last reason was the biggest one in my books - if you make it clear that the Kuriles option is out, it helps Japan a lot.
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RE: Aug 42 Summary

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Why the rush to retake Attu? If you have to wait until the spring, what is the harm in that? In contrast, Baker and the Ellice islands are much more important strategically IMHO.

Do you have a reasonable chance to reconquer Burma soon enough in order to relieve China, specifically the threat to Chungking?


You're right - there is no rush to take Attu - its a dead end. Just didn't expect 4 CVs to come up to the Aleutians. Re-thinking whether this can still be pulled off in '42.

Burma is a long range effort - will be 6-12 months before I can threaten the IJA pushing into Paoshan and offer some supply relief into China.
I disagree with not taking Attu soon (before Nov. 1 winter penalties kick in). There are a couple of reasons:

- If you wait until spring, he has time to build serious forts. Combined with terrain, that would require a long campaign of bombing or bombardment which he can raid with KB.

- Attu gives Japan a long Nav Search/Recon reach into NorPac which prevents the Allies preparing a significant surprise invasion. That frees up his forces to go elsewhere or get upgrades when he feels secure.

- Conversely, taking Attu now moves his search back about three days travel for an amphib TF. The base can be built up to support Allied efforts and threaten the Kuriles, to which he will have to allocate forces for defence. This keeps a Kuriles invasion option on the Allied table, in case the other theatres are too difficult or slow to progress in.

The last reason was the biggest one in my books - if you make it clear that the Kuriles option is out, it helps Japan a lot.


BB - I really do agree with all you said. I just have one slight problem....L_S_T has a vote in this and he's one-upped me by bringing four CVs into the Aleutians. That has caught me flat-footed and has thrown my "backwater" Aleutian campaign into the limelight. Not in a good way. I'll keep the forces avail to grab Attu for a while - they're not needed anywhere else, but I'm not ready to commit the bulk of the Navy to support.
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31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

Highlights - KB 2 sinks a convoy reinforcing Vaitupu; P-38Fs debut over Port Moresby with excellent results.

Jpn ships sunk: None

Allied ships sunk:
DE: 1
DMS: 1
APD: 2
AVP: 1
AP: 1

Air loss:
Jpn: 65
Allied: 13

Subwar:
Jpn: 1 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 3 Attacks, 0 ships hit

Jpn Amph Inv:
Mataram (DEI)

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost:
Bhamo (Burma)

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: Apparently KB 2 is cruising north of Vaitupu.

West Coast/Admin. Slow convoy departs LA bound for Auckland. Numerous refits begin with the 1st of the month as ships were pre-positioned in ports.

In NOPAC, it continues to be frustrating - KB has vanished again, and I’m not sure if it went back to port or continued toward the Aleutians. In any case, the Attu Invasion TFs retired from Amchitka toward southern Aleutian waters and linked up with the CV TF. They’ll continue to loiter, hopefully out of harm’s way, for a bit.

CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, KB2 turns off its cloaking device to launch strikes at a small convoy carrying two engineer units to Vaitupu. Engineers are landed with minimal loss, but the ships decided to unload rather than run for safer waters and were all sunk - including two APs!! Not good. On the usual, “it could have been worse” line of reasoning, I was going to have CV Enterprise TF provide ASW support, but fortunately for me, they needed fuel and I sent them to Suva - they’ll now clear the area. Big question of course is where KB2 is headed next?

In SWPAC, the single P-38F squadron debuts with a sweep over Moresby at 20k and are met by a robust CAP of Zeros - but which supported action over Portland Roads, so I figured they were a bit fatigued. And the results bore that out. In exchange for 3 P-38s, 31 Zeros were lost. Nice….very nice. With these results, and shipping still reported off Moresby, a max effort will launch next turn - P-38s again sweeping, and this time max B-17 effort to hit the AF, and B-25/26s hitting shipping.

In WAUS, 36xB-17s hit Daly Waters with good effect, but no a/c were at the base, and no CAP overhead. Still, it should hurt Jpn supply efforts for the ground units to the south. US fighters sweep the IJA forces south of Daly Waters and are met by a LRCAP. F4Fs and P-40s do well, losing 4 P-40s in exchange for 3 Tojos, 8 Nicks and 6 OscarIIs - with the Nicks deployed, my bet is L_S_T was expecting bombers, not a fighter sweep. Quiet at Exmouth/Carnarvon area.

In China, NSTR.

In India/Burma, BB TF (2BB, 2CL, 4DD) bombard Cox’s Bazaar with minimal effect, while LBA hits British units at Akyab without any effect. Allied fighters remain covering bases and rebuilding strength.
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RE: 31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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Hi Idaho - I've subscribed although I haven't read through the AAR yet. Just wanted to say hi and let you know I'm along for the ride.

Given that I'm reading in order to learn more about the Allies to help me in my game (which is also fall 42, and a DBB-C game), I'll do my best to offer my thoughts if I see you wondering something about the Japanese.
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RE: 31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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Hi Idaho - I've subscribed although I haven't read through the AAR yet. Just wanted to say hi and let you know I'm along for the ride.

Given that I'm reading in order to learn more about the Allies to help me in my game (which is also fall 42, and a DBB-C game), I'll do my best to offer my thoughts if I see you wondering something about the Japanese.

Great to have you aboard FK!! I've been reading yours for a while to see "the enemy's viewpoint" as well. What's your biggest concern going into late '42? L_S_T says he's running short supply in the HI, how's your industry going?
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2-3 Sep 42

Highlights - Bombers hit Moresby and find no CAP; KB sighted by sub in the Aleutians NW of Attu near Medny Is.

Jpn ships sunk:
SS: 1 (I-15)
CM: 1 (small)

Jpn ships unsunk:
DD: 1 (Murakumo)

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 19
Allied: 12

Subwar:
Jpn: 1 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 5 Attacks, 0 ships hit

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost: None

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: NSTR

In NOPAC, SS Sailfish sights KB and misses CV Hiryu with 2xtorps (only 2 fired??!!) near Medny Island - so the KB is still out and about - dodging subs. With over a dozen subs in the North Pacific area - from Attu to Japan, and another half dozen east of Attu, maybe one, just one can get a fish into a carrier! In any case, Attu invasion and US CVs continue to loiter 400m south of Adak.

CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, quiet returns, with KB2 sighted SW of Nauru Island heading NW. With KB2 hopefully moving out of the area, will launch the first daylight heavy bomber raid on Tulagi to stir things up, and resume normal shipping to islands. Both Vaitupu and Ndeni need supply runs. Plan for the next few months is still to limit advances to these to islands - focus will shift to SWPAC. Once the fleet returns from refit, will look to potentially land at Lunga.

In SWPAC, Moresby is swept again by P-38s, but they find no opposition, and bombers hit the AF causing moderate damage (33 AF dam reported). The convoy that was there, departed at speed and was not hit. Surprised that L_S_T conceded the air after only one sweep - will continue to hit Moresby and then expand to hitting Horn Is and other targets. As the majority of the US fleet goes into refit in a few weeks, Allied effort will focus on seizing Horn Island and opening the gateway to Northern Australia from the east. I see southern New Guinea and an eastern approach toward Darwin as a “soft underbelly” rather than slogging up through Port Moresby/Milne Bay which are both reportedly heavily defended.

In WAUS, IJA advance toward Tennant Creek has apparently been abandoned as troops look to be heading back north towards Daly Waters. That has allowed me to shift the bomber force to SWPAC for a while. In the west, the first xAKL docks at Exmouth and begins offloading - no reaction from the Port Hedland air….yet.

In China, the enemy’s main focus continues to be a dagger aimed at Chungking from the NE and east. I can slow him down perhaps, but I can’t field a force with any supply to stop him. Not looking good here.

In India/Burma, IJA closes on Paoshan in Bde strength with more troops coming. Paoshan is at fort level 4 and packed with 20k troops - the max stacking of the hex. I may have to commit more Chinese to hold it, but not sure I can sustain the added numbers. Along the coast, its fairly quiet, with Wellingtons hitting Rangoon port at night, reportedly putting two bombs on the “sunk” CL Kuma. Also, the British 2nd Div and 2/3 of the 70th Div, have crossed the river east of Cox’s Bazaar and will begin attacking the IJA along the IJA’s flank defending Akyab. Additional IJA reinforcements to theater reportedly have landed at Rangoon (such as the 21st ID), and the goal is to flank Akyab before these troops have moved to support - but this is going to be a long slow slog in the jungle.




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RE: 31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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Hi Idaho - I've subscribed although I haven't read through the AAR yet. Just wanted to say hi and let you know I'm along for the ride.

Given that I'm reading in order to learn more about the Allies to help me in my game (which is also fall 42, and a DBB-C game), I'll do my best to offer my thoughts if I see you wondering something about the Japanese.

Great to have you aboard FK!! I've been reading yours for a while to see "the enemy's viewpoint" as well. What's your biggest concern going into late '42? L_S_T says he's running short supply in the HI, how's your industry going?

I'm not running short although I don't have a ton. I think you have to run it down early on no matter what. The trick is to try and slow your operations down early enough that you have time to build up some stockpiles. On my month summaries you can see what my supply situation looks like at least in the Home Islands region. I haven't had supply problems at the front yet, so I think it is going okay.

So, if I had advice for you, it would be keep him engaged, at least marginally, so he always has to keep expending supplies.
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RE: 31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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So, if I had advice for you, it would be keep him engaged, at least marginally, so he always has to keep expending supplies.


Unfortunately for Allied Cause, L_S_T is very much engaged in crippling China....was hoping that would be a supply drain enough to limit his ambitions there. Not so.
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4-5 Sep 42

Highlights - Hv bombers hit Moresby again and find no CAP and Tulagi also hit; Chittagong bombarded by sea after minor naval skirmish.

Jpn ships sunk:
SS: 1 (I-153)
CM: 1 (small)

Jpn ships unsunk:
DD: 1 (Tanakaze)

Allied ships sunk:
DD: 2 (Hotspur, Isis)
MGB: 6

Air loss:
Jpn: 43
Allied: 41

Subwar:
Jpn: 4 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 1 Attacks, 1 ships hit (small CM hit)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost:
Kaimana (SWPAC)

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: NSTR

In NOPAC, no sign of KB and it appears that the Attu Invasion TF (and BBs) have been sighted by subs transiting NOPAC heading for West Coast - just bad luck/timing here. Will have to pull the TFs east toward Dutch Harbor, just in case the KB wants to try and find some prey. US CVs will also pull east for a short while - then disengage and head to West Coast for refits. Still would like to land at Attu, before the weather closes in, but not with the KB prowling about.

CENPAC, small TF to depart Pearl for Midway to pull off the Army Engineer regiment there - it will head to SWPAC for Horn Island landing.

In SOPAC, first daylight raid on Tulagi by heavy bombers - rather than the single large formation as on Moresby, the bombers stream in - including the debut of the B24, but fortunately only encounter Rufes on CAP - 18 are lost in exchange for a pair of B-17s. Moderate damage to AF. No sign of KB 2.

In SWPAC, Moresby hit by single strike of 60 B-17s on the 4th and 51 on the 5th. Nice. Moderate damage to AF, again no CAP. Heavies need a rest however; mediums will hit it next turn. While I want to keep the pressure on, I still don’t have enough planes. Will continue to build up SWPAC in preparation for landing at Horn Island next month while the majority of the US fleet is in refit.

In WAUS, F4Fs out of Tennant Creek decide to exceed their giving 4 hex range, and stray over Daly Waters - losing 2 in exchange for 4 Oscar IIa and a pair of Tojos. Got lucky here. Does appear that the IJA has called off the advance on Tennant Creek as all IJA south of Daly Waters have moved back north. Still quiet over Exmouth as the xAKL continues to offload.

In China, no major catastrophes last turn….

In India/Burma, first the good news. British 2nd Div destroys the 55th Cav Reg 80m due east of Cox’s Bazaar, and will move to join the 70th Div in the drive to flank Akayb. US 27th Div moving up from Chittagong as a reserve while the British 18th Div continues to threaten Akyab directly. Still a slow slog, and hopefully we can put enough pressure on the IJA before reinforcements arrive in strength (21st ID is known to have been landed at Rangoon). Now for the bad news - Chittagong is again bombarded by a strong naval force (3CA, 2CL, 5DD) after that naval force sunk 2 DDs that were taking shelter at Chittagong after a brief fight between an Allied CL TF (2CL, 5DD) and an IJN DD TF (4DD) was inconclusive - both sides having two DDs damaged. Also engaged were the 6 British MGBs at Chittagong, which were easily brushed aside by the IJN DDs. Damage to the AF was enough to close it (barely) and destroy 9 a/c on the ground. Still no solution to halting the naval bombardments until airpower becomes more sufficient.

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Still no solution to halting the naval bombardments until airpower becomes more sufficient.

I take it you haven't had much luck with mines?
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RE: 31 Aug - 1 Sep 42

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So, if I had advice for you, it would be keep him engaged, at least marginally, so he always has to keep expending supplies.


Unfortunately for Allied Cause, L_S_T is very much engaged in crippling China....was hoping that would be a supply drain enough to limit his ambitions there. Not so.

The supply effects don't kick in until later. It could be that LST is going through too much supply now and will be hurt by the middle of 43.
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RE: 4-5 Sep 42

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Still no solution to halting the naval bombardments until airpower becomes more sufficient.

I take it you haven't had much luck with mines?

I find mines work best against bombardments when they are laid in an approach hex, not the target hex. To get that to work well, it needs to be a shallow hex, and I've got some indication a bombardment TF is heading in - otherwise the mines just don't last. And my luck recently has been every time I lay one of those approach minefields, my timing has been off.

Mines laid in the hex - unless they're thickly laid (over 250 maybe) don't seem to do much. Just not enough mines for heavy minefields - I've managed that only at Ndeni.
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6-7 Sep 42

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6-7 Sep

Highlights - Chittagong bombarded by sea again; Chinese hold Paoshan against determined attack.

Jpn ships sunk:
SS: 1 (I-11)
YO: 1
ACM: 1

Jpn ships unsunk:
SS: 1 (I-19)

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 19
Allied: 36

Subwar:
Jpn: 4 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 2 Attacks, 1 ships hit (YO sunk)

Jpn Amph Inv: None

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost:
Mataram (DEI)

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: NSTR

West Coast/Admin. NSTR

In NOPAC, it looks like the sub sighting the US TFs have brought the wolves to look for the prey - an unidentified TF is sighted 280m SWS of Attu heading east. I’m betting this is the KB. While the US TFs head east, hopefully out of harms way, perhaps the KB strays within 6 hexes of Amchitka and or Attu where US airpower - reinforced from the CVs - can launch a strike. In any case, it doesn’t look like the Attu invasion will take place any time soon.

CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, while I rest the B-17s, a squadron of B-24s and LB-30s hit Tulagi port at low (2000ft) altitude with good effect - reportedly sinking a sub, and putting 2 bombs into a DD (Tanakaze) and 3 onto an AR - both are left burning. Will follow up with additional port strikes next turn. Resupply convoy arrives at Ndeni without incident, and the Ndeni AF reaches level 3.

In SWPAC, the Mediums didn’t fly against Moresby, only two squadrons hit Horn Is (weather maybe?). RAAF Hudsons find a TF off Milne Bay - presumably a convoy offloading. Hudsons miss a DD, but no CAP comes up, so next turn will try and hit the shipping with B-25s, B-17s resposition at Cloncurry and rest. The P-38s are heading west - and will operate out of WAUS in the next few days against Port Hedland.

In WAUS, quiet in the Tennant Creek front. In the west, a small convoy of 3 xAKLs with AM escort will head to Exmouth; Carnarvon will provide LRCAP as the Exmouth AF isn’t quite ready. At sea, its time to dissolve the CV Group - the IJN seems to have moved its focus to the Indian Ocean, and its time to pre position for refits. CVs Lex and Sara with escort, as well as the British ships, will head to Cape Town. CV Yorktown TF will head to Melbourne. Most of US CV’s aircraft will fly off to Australia and operate from there while the ships are away in refit. That should provide enough of an air umbrella, in addition to Army a/c, to support the landing at Horn Is next month.

In China, pressure continues from all sides. In the SE, after holding for a turn, a Chinese Corps falls back on Kukong - the problem here is more a lack of supply than anything else, and I doubt I’ll be able to hold Kukong.

In India/Burma, the British attack east of Cox’s Bazaar by two Bdes of the 70th Div are held by two regiments of the 55th Div, but casualties are light on both sides. Will wait until the third Bde of the 70th Div closes up in a few days. On the coast, Chittagong is again bombarded, this time by a BB TF (3BB, 2CL, 4DD), with good effect - closing the AF and destroying 15 a/c on the ground. Not good. Also not good was the Tojos sweeping Paoshan very effectively; 6 Hurris and 6 P-66 Vanguards were shot down in exchange for only 2 Tojos. The Tojos ARE good! The Tojo sweep was in preparation of a ground assault on Paoshan, which was held with very heavy IJA losses. The challenge now will be to keep Paoshan supplied as the additional Chinese Corps I sent in to hold the base, took the defenders over the stacking limit. Will focus the Ledo based transports on resupplying Paoshan.



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8-9 Sep 42

Highlights - Fairly quiet; US LBA claims 3DDs in two separate attacks.

Jpn ships sunk:
DD: 3 (Akizuki, Usugumo, Mutsuki)

Allied ships sunk: None

Air loss:
Jpn: 11
Allied: 10

Subwar:
Jpn: 0 Attacks, 0 ships hit
Allies: 2 Attacks, 0 ships

Jpn Amph Inv:
Sepandjang (DEI)

Allied Amph Inv: None

Bases lost:
Sepandjang (DEI)

Bases Liberated: None

SIGINT/Intel: NSTR

West Coast/Admin. NSTR

In NOPAC, SS Triton fails to penetrate a DD screen - presumably the KB - SSW of Attu. Not sure if the IJN CVs are loitering, or heading back towards Japan. They did not head east as expected. In any case, the US CVs, less the majority of their airgroups, are heading slowly towards the West Coast for refit and repair while the Attu Amph TF is closing on Kodiak where it will offload and allow the troops to shake off the disruption they’ve accrued.

CENPAC, NSTR.

In SOPAC, a squadron of B-17s and LB-30s hit Tulagi port at 2000ft, putting 5 bombs into a DD - initially reported as Tanikaze, but Akitzuki was listed as sunk. Either way, scratch one DD. No CAP was encountered and no US losses. Meanwhile, Ndeni is resupplied and additional troops prepare to embark at Luganville for Ndeni. Transport reaches Vaitupu delivering badly needed supply without incident. Lastly, CV Enterprise TF disbands at Auckland for some needed repairs.

In SWPAC, 26 B-25s hit a DD TF off Milne Bay at 1000ft, scoring 2 bomb hits on two DDs - both of which are reported sunk and no CAP is encountered. B-26s hit Moresby AF with good effect, and again no CAP. The absence of CAP is strange - both Moresby and Milne Bay appear to be major defensive bases. Not complaining, but I need to be wary of a CAP trap in the future. Heavy bombers sit at Cloncurry fixing planes in preparation for action in WAUS.

In WAUS, Exmouth AF is now operational, and VF-2 Wildcats are brought in to provide CAP for the three xAKLs offloading as the US CVs depart the area. Still, no enemy interference, even the sub threat seems to have lessened considerably. P-38s are flown into Meekatharra in preparation to sweep Port Hedland - I expect heavy Zero CAP.

In China, NSTR.

In India/Burma, NSTR.
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In SOPAC, a squadron of B-17s and LB-30s hit Tulagi port at 2000ft, putting 5 bombs into a DD - initially reported as Tanikaze, but Akitzuki was listed as sunk. Either way, scratch one DD. No CAP was encountered and no US losses. Meanwhile, Ndeni is resupplied and additional troops prepare to embark at Luganville for Ndeni. Transport reaches Vaitupu delivering badly needed supply without incident. Lastly, CV Enterprise TF disbands at Auckland for some needed repairs.

Where are these B-17's and LB-30's attacking from?
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In SOPAC, a squadron of B-17s and LB-30s hit Tulagi port at 2000ft, putting 5 bombs into a DD - initially reported as Tanikaze, but Akitzuki was listed as sunk. Either way, scratch one DD. No CAP was encountered and no US losses. Meanwhile, Ndeni is resupplied and additional troops prepare to embark at Luganville for Ndeni. Transport reaches Vaitupu delivering badly needed supply without incident. Lastly, CV Enterprise TF disbands at Auckland for some needed repairs.

Where are these B-17's and LB-30's attacking from?

In this case it was Luganville.
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Do you also have some in the east coast of Australia? Or Noumea?
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Do you also have some in the east coast of Australia? Or Noumea?

I have most of my B-17s in NE Aus - but bounce around Aus at different bases as needed. When I'm not using Luganville to launch a strike, I'll pull what heavies I have in SOPAC back to Noumea.

Goal is to mass for a strike, but not to leave a lucrative target for a bombardment run.
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My guess is that the lack of CAP at Moresby and Milne Bay is that he has upgraded the fighters and they are not yet made serviceable. Isn't this about the time the George makes an appearance?
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

My guess is that the lack of CAP at Moresby and Milne Bay is that he has upgraded the fighters and they are not yet made serviceable. Isn't this about the time the George makes an appearance?


Man, I hope not!! In any case, with PDU off, I hope to see few Georges for a while...
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