Japanese Barges

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 2:33 am

One more question.

If barge supply capacity is 8, and the barge can fit another three supply points in troop space, thus arriving at 11 supply point capacity, does that mean that the barge can move devices whose load cost is 11 points? At 8 points, the barge can carry a Japanese tankette, at 11 points the barge could move a Japanese medium tank.

Thanks.

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:49 am

One of the very early decisions by the designers was to have one barge in ten (IIRC) in a TF be loaded with fuel otherwise there would be would be 'out of fuel' barge TFs all over the map. It's an arbitrary figure with no calculations involved.

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 5:57 am

Great info, thanks!

So you get a little bit tactical flexibility if you use a ten-barge TF.

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Fri Sep 04, 2015 6:08 am

You would have to experiment. I haven't looked that closely.

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 4:49 am

Nine-barge TF loads 4 fuel points.

The thing is, since this fuel is loaded as cargo, the TF does not use it - it unloads the fuel at Namu. I was wondering why some fuel has accumulated at Namu, since it is a port 0 base, and the code cannot move fuel automatically between Kwajalein and Namu. Now it seems the barges drop the fuel there.

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patrickl · Post by **patrickl** » Sat Sep 05, 2015 9:21 am

Thanks TS, now we can visualize a jap barge.[:)]

Alfred · Post by **Alfred** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:48 am

ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more question.

If barge supply capacity is 8, and the barge can fit another three supply points in troop space, thus arriving at 11 supply point capacity, does that mean that the barge can move devices whose load cost is 11 points? At 8 points, the barge can carry a Japanese tankette, at 11 points the barge could move a Japanese medium tank.

Thanks.

No.

Alfred

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Sat Sep 19, 2015 9:31 am

Thanks, Alfred.

dave sindel · Post by **dave sindel** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:11 pm

Good morning everyone, I'd like to resurrect this thread if I may.

I'm in the midst of my first PBEM game. Stock Guadalcanal as the Japanese. I'm really struggling with how to keep fuel in my barges. I've read and re-read this thread and am still not sure on the proper procedure. In post # 11, JWE stated "...or bring along a PB or something to gas them up...". I tried putting an xAKL and barges in the same TF, and it didnt work when I tried to "refuel at sea". I tried having an AO replenishment TF meet a barge TF for refueling. They met, but no refueling occurred. I now have a bunch of barges at Shortlands and another bunch at Rabaul with significant SYS damage from moving while out of fuel. What am I doing wrong ?

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:28 pm

If you can operate an AO in the area, you don't need barges. Barges are best used in areas where the enemy has air superiority and operating larger ships would be suicidal. Refueling barges from an embedded small PB or AMc works fine for me. You are playing stock, so just for info - the DBB mod also has some YO type fuel barges that are quite useful for setting-up staging points for refueling.

dave sindel · Post by **dave sindel** » Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:37 pm

Thanks LST. The AO replenishment TF was an attempt to rectify my original mistake of creating barges in Truk to begin with. If I'd created them in Shortlands originally, I'd have been much better off. A "live and learn" moment.

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 12:00 pm

Thread resurrection.

Were the Jap barges ocean-going ? Could they travel from i.e Shortlands to Vella Lavella across a deep sea hex?

GetAssista · Post by **GetAssista** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 1:13 pm

Perfectly possible. Daihatsu barges had 200+ mile range on cruise speed and Pacific is a pretty timid ocean. As long as there is no waves depth does not matter
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt09/barges.html

BBfanboy · Post by **BBfanboy** » Mon Sep 18, 2017 2:46 pm

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Nine-barge TF loads 4 fuel points.

The thing is, since this fuel is loaded as cargo, the TF does not use it - it unloads the fuel at Namu. I was wondering why some fuel has accumulated at Namu, since it is a port 0 base, and the code cannot move fuel automatically between Kwajalein and Namu. Now it seems the barges drop the fuel there.

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Barge capacity is rated on CARGO space - it has no tanks to carry fuel as cargo. Hence, when you specify the barge to load fuel, it converts to "fuel in drums" which, because of the weight of the drum and inefficient shape, is half the cargo stowage capacity. Same thing happens when you load an xAK type with fuel or oil. So your fuel still arrives as fuel, but the barge just was not designed to carry its full capacity as a liquid without containers.

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 2:42 am

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

Perfectly possible. Daihatsu barges had 200+ mile range on cruise speed and Pacific is a pretty timid ocean. As long as there is no waves depth does not matter
http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt09/barges.html

Thanks, but it seems that the 300 miles was achieved using staing areas. Anyway, if someone can find a record of loaded Jap barges travelling hexes other than coastal ones, please share it here.

Here it says that Japs used 20 barges for troop evac from Vella Lavella, but I can't find info to where the soldiers were taken
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of ... la_(naval)

Buckrock · Post by **Buckrock** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:18 am

From "The Battle of Vella LaVella" article on the Combinedfleet.com website:-

"Both SELFRIDGE and O'BANNON, bows shattered, were able to limp home, but CHEVALIER was beyond salvage and LAVALLETTE scuttled her with a torpedo at 0311; all but 51 of her crew had earlier been removed. PT-boats later rescued 78 YUGUMO survivors while another 25 reached safety in an abandoned O'BANNON lifeboat. Commander Oosako was not among them.

While the above rescue operations were underway, Captain Nakayama Shigoroku's little convoy of barges and sub-chasers chugged purposefully into Marquana Bay, took on the 589 evacuees, and sailed for Buin at 0305, mission accomplished."

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:55 am

Big thanks! I am golden.

Reg · Post by **Reg** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 4:58 am

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Anyway, if someone can find a record of loaded Jap barges travelling hexes other than coastal ones, please share it here.

From the Allied perspective but applicable never the less.....

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3749625

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Tue Sep 19, 2017 5:03 am

Thanks! 2014, how time flies...

Yaab · Post by **Yaab** » Sat Sep 23, 2017 3:33 am

Another question.

I vaguely remember that barge TFs have to be attacked by air groups set to Naval Attack at 100 feet. Where does this rule come from?

The rule is missing in:

- game manual
- forum FAQ
- beta changelog

I went to my references and found this:

"3) TFs made up of only Barges and/or PT Boats can only be attacked by fighter-bombers OR air units with an altitude set to 100 feet. (Fighter-bombers are not required to have their altitude set to 100 feet to attack these ship types."

Trying to find the quote via Google gives me a WITP thread from 2004
tm.asp?m=603662

Is this a legacy rule from the previous WITP?

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