Titan Deisgn Concepts

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 12:31 am

If it can get close to the enemy, it'll do well, but anything with any kind of range will tear it apart.

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:59 am

yeah..............i never got around to working all the kinks out of it

but it does work one on one against the original ToS ai........so......yeah your right one on one its probably crap in WS

but hey i made it because i was tired of waiting for the medium/heavy titans to crawl over to where i need them so job done

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 3:06 am

Originally posted by whitefirefox
yeah..............i never got around to working all the kinks out of it

but it does work one on one against the original ToS ai........so......yeah your right one on one its probably crap in WS

but hey i made it because i was tired of waiting for the medium/heavy titans to crawl over to where i need them so job done

That's true. The speed of the lighter titans can sometimes offset the limitations on armor they have and provide the needed surprise punch.

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:10 pm

well its always a trade off:
more armor or more firepower the korg's bait series is pretty much it as far as armor goes for the lighter titans but i think this is a decent heavy hitting light even with its kinks

CrushU · Post by **CrushU** » Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:44 am

I have a dual ac20 design... light titan. The armor's worse, and it doesnt have the axe. Haven't tinkered with it much. Its useful as a bomb.

It fires a salvo, then all the comps get ****** and melt it into exploding... Sorta fun, though a good waste of jocks and money... It works ok as an ambush titan, while my teammates back it up. But it still can't take any sort of punishment. Its basically the opposite of korg's bait designs

Made a light titan that uses Mesons, named it K0rg Killah... its ok, my jock on it sucks too much to use it to its full potential... 2 hvy mesons, 2 light mesons, and armor worthy of a medium tos.

Made a missle titan that is practically a fortress. Has a shield, ECM, Scan5, Jump4, 2 LRM9's, and 2 SRM4's... Packs a punch at long range. It has at least 30 armor in every position. Its only downfall is that it moves slowly... i picked the lightest frame with the + to move checks. Its a Medium titan.

I like the factory-spec Sagitta titan, in the Heavy class. It really takes advantage of GMs. Managed to down a Heavy in 3 salvos. Its only problem is slow movement, which doesn't matter once it has a good sniping position.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Tue May 13, 2003 9:18 pm

Here's my favorite melee titan at the moment. Not too impressive in open terrain against ac12's

but excellent for ambushes.

Titan Name: <Orc> (Recon Close Combat Titan)
Chassis: Cyber C-R1
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Weight: 40.0t (40t maximum) Height : 6 [meter]
Bmt : 17 (70 kph) Reduce Heat: -2.0C/sec.
Jmt : 17 (70 kph) for 93 secs Cost : 77609 ($)

Equipment:
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Component/Type/Location

Engine :Morola M1 [Engine 1] [LT ]
Heatreg.:Teflin [Heat 3]
LifeSup.:Livotto [Life 1] [Head]
Scanner :CyberSys S [Scan 1] [RT ]
Computer:Baravia [Comp. 1] [RT ]
JumpPort:J.U.W.E.L [Jump 1]

Weapons:
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Location/Weapon/Ammunition/SL

[RA ] POWER AXE
[LA ] POWER AXE
[CT ] FLAME THROWER (007) [1]

Armor:
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Loc/Internal/Armor/Points/mm

[Head] (09) Dullaroy 013 [020mm]
[RT ] (11) Titanium 019 [038mm]
[CT ] (15) Dullaroy 023 [034mm]
[CBT ] (09) Vicenium 019 [032mm]
[LT ] (11) Titanium 019 [038mm]
[RA ] (13) Vicenium 018 [031mm]
[LA ] (13) Vicenium 018 [031mm]
[LowT] (11) Vicenium 018 [031mm]
[RL ] (13) Vicenium 013 [023mm]
[LL ] (13) Vicenium 013 [023mm]

Armorindex: 7.28 [Total APts/T]
Internal: 118 [APts]
External: 173 [APts] Max:[050mm]
Total Armor: 291 [APts]

JOCK requirements:
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Piloting: skill on Recon Titan incl. Jump
Weapons : Energy C.C.
Warfare : Scanner
Skills : Medical Recon

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Tue May 13, 2003 11:27 pm

isn't that titan in the basic stock with another name?

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Wed May 14, 2003 6:26 am

I dunno. I got rid of all my stock titans 'cause most of them were too pathetic.

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Wed May 14, 2003 10:44 pm

the basic stock titans aren't bad IMO

infact i think a bunch are good

besides how are you gonna get diversity in btls w/o lots of different titans?

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Thu May 15, 2003 3:24 am

Oh, i've got plenty of designs of my own. And I can always merge the stock titans in later on, if feel the urge.

Case in point- Cutthroat-- wtf were they thinking?

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Thu May 15, 2003 5:03 am

suggestion.......rephrase that to what were they thinking and they were probably thinking of a titan for someone who likes that kind of load out (not sitting at my computer ATM so i don't have access to any of the specs)

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Thu May 15, 2003 8:53 pm

I'm not looking at it atm either, but I remember that the engine was too small, so you couldn't shoot the gauss rifles and move at the same time... :rolleyes: lunchmeat.

Edit:

Maybe if the stock titans were being run by the people who designed them, they might work better than myself, or especialy the AI, can handle 'em. But I still think a lot of them are meant to make life easy on newbies.

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Thu May 15, 2003 10:26 pm

The other thing to remember is that a lot of the stock titans are pretty old, and have been through several version changes. Some of them may have worked differently before various tweaks. Others are just meant for specific purposes.

LarkinVB · Post by **LarkinVB** » Thu May 15, 2003 11:30 pm

WS will have 30+ titans in each class. Of course these are not perfect. Otherwise players would have no fun building their own design. Thats the fun of TOS. Build a good titan and allocate a jock who can handle it.

whitefirefox · Post by **whitefirefox** » Thu May 15, 2003 11:31 pm

any new engines or heat regs or are the main new things weapons?

Thorgrim · Post by **Thorgrim** » Fri May 16, 2003 12:38 am

Coyote, the only answer I can come up with is you've got a lot to learn about the game. Besides, I don't believe you actually delete the database - great fun your games would be... how many other designs do you have?
The database is not old, it was updated and maintained through all the changes. It's not perfect, but it is not supposed to be. It is supposed to be a collection of designs with a variety of roles that can encompass the life of a squad. They're general designs, with as little playstyle-bias as possible. Players are supposed to retrofit them to their playing style, or simply take some ideas to build their designs from scratch. But it is basically an attempt at a *balanced* collection of titans, so that a common platform can be available for netgames - one that can provide a less experienced player a chance to have a shot at a victory over a vet player.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Tue May 20, 2003 9:56 am

-shrug- If you say so.

rosary · Post by **rosary** » Tue May 20, 2003 7:56 pm

Some titans are perfectly designed. However, put a jock in it without the right skills and you're toast. A good design with the right jock is a bigger threat than most anything else.

If you've been developing your jocks energy weapon skills to100% and put him/her/it in a gm tos, you may as well eject immediately.

Coyote27 · Post by **Coyote27** » Wed May 21, 2003 3:25 am

Originally posted by rosary
Some titans are perfectly designed. However, put a jock in it without the right skills and you're toast. A good design with the right jock is a bigger threat than most anything else.

If you've been developing your jocks energy weapon skills to100% and put him/her/it in a gm tos, you may as well eject immediately.

True, that.
Which is why I don't like titans with more than two weapon types... two is doable (especially gun/rocket combos) but more than that and your pilot can't reach competitive skill with any of the weapons.

tarendelcymir · Post by **tarendelcymir** » Wed May 21, 2003 3:55 am

That's only true for low-level jocks. Once they get a little more experienced, they should easily be able to have pretty good scores in three or more weapon types.