He is hitting Oz with so much so so early...
As I see it destroying all that in Oz will be incredibly beneficial, as long as a fortress Palembang isn't allowed to form up.
Palembang is the real question mark...other than that I think it is all good.
A Japanese Debacle - Sqz (J) vs. fcharton (A)
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KenchiSulla
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
I'd say risk an early invasion (december) of Palembang with around 200 AV... The rest of the DEI can wait, Palembang can't...
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
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Such a pessimist!
Here I was thinking you'd relish seeing something different. Hopefully my play will best answer your tough questions.
C'mon mate-don't be like that. I'm just asking the tough questions. Or would you prefer a brainless drooling fanboi base?
I'm looking forward to something different. But will that something different be a June 1942 quagmire in the DEI? [:'(]
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
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I'm with you on this one Sqz
Never mind. [:D]
RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
If the base contains HI, half of it gets destroyed automatically on conquest, and perhaps some more industry of all kinds destroyed or damaged by the fighting (engineers being a factor). If there is no HI, LI takes the 50% hit and the usual damage/destruction from fighting applies.
Aircraft factories are almost totally destroyed, with the remaining (10%?) converted into vehicle factories.
When the conqueror is evicted from the industrial centre, the damage results apply again. Only by occupying a vacant base can all the industries be taken intact.
Taking intact aircraft factories will provide no benefit- your units cannot use them and unless you get engines for them as well, you cannot even finish making them.
I haven't figured out yet if taking vehicle and armament factories results in more vehicle and armament production. As I read the manual, everything is supposed to convert to support vehicle production - i.e. no AFVs. But if you take an armament factory by occupation, why not produce some enemy versions of the 81mm mortar? Or some 350mm siege artillery? [:D] Doesn't seem to happen though - no TOE for putting these devices in the units you have.
Aircraft factories are almost totally destroyed, with the remaining (10%?) converted into vehicle factories.
When the conqueror is evicted from the industrial centre, the damage results apply again. Only by occupying a vacant base can all the industries be taken intact.
Taking intact aircraft factories will provide no benefit- your units cannot use them and unless you get engines for them as well, you cannot even finish making them.
I haven't figured out yet if taking vehicle and armament factories results in more vehicle and armament production. As I read the manual, everything is supposed to convert to support vehicle production - i.e. no AFVs. But if you take an armament factory by occupation, why not produce some enemy versions of the 81mm mortar? Or some 350mm siege artillery? [:D] Doesn't seem to happen though - no TOE for putting these devices in the units you have.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
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But will that something different be a June 1942 quagmire in the DEI? [:'(]
June! [X(]
O ye of little faith. I plan on having my major operations in the DEI wrapped up by the end of the amphibious bonus, or soon thereafter. Luzon will be a wither on the vine strategy as you applied in our game.
The landing at Manado on Dec. 7th is the precursor for an early push to secure Ambon, Balikpapan, Kendari, Makassar, Tarakan, and Ternate. This will be followed by landings on Timor and central Java.
I will find the troops. [8D]
One thing to note. We are allowing strategic bombing to occur immediately. A quick landing at Palembang opens it up to strategic bombing, something to think on.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Invest it to prevent reinforcement (except via air) but do not attack until ready to protect the well and refinery infrastructure.ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
ORIGINAL: Chickenboy
But will that something different be a June 1942 quagmire in the DEI? [:'(]
June! [X(]
O ye of little faith. I plan on having my major operations in the DEI wrapped up by the end of the amphibious bonus, or soon thereafter. Luzon will be a wither on the vine strategy as you applied in our game.
The landing at Manado on Dec. 7th is the precursor for an early push to secure Ambon, Balikpapan, Kendari, Makassar, Tarakan, and Ternate. This will be followed by landings on Timor and central Java.
I will find the troops. [8D]
One thing to note. We are allowing strategic bombing to occur immediately. A quick landing at Palembang opens it up to strategic bombing, something to think on.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Quick grab of Oosthaven and he will be struggling to reinforce Palembang (unless he weakens Singapore, which kinda plays into your hands anyway)
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Francois said he'll send the turn while I'm away in Phoenix, so I'll pick this up when I return on the 12th. It will be nice to get the turns flowing and get a handle on upcoming events.
I have plenty of ideas to mull over and I'll find myself thinking strategy and tactics while floating in the pool no doubt.
I also have a chance to meet a fellow forumite while away. If all goes well, the plan is to meet for a few beers and watch some football while talking about whatever happens to come up. I'm looking forward it.
I have plenty of ideas to mull over and I'll find myself thinking strategy and tactics while floating in the pool no doubt.
I also have a chance to meet a fellow forumite while away. If all goes well, the plan is to meet for a few beers and watch some football while talking about whatever happens to come up. I'm looking forward it.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Enjoy the trip...try to get the frost outa your lemons!!
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Back from Phoenix and the lemons have been defrosted. [8D]
Sadly, the pool was under renovations at the hotel and we were only able to enjoy one day poolside. We made the most of it though.
I am pleased to announce that I was able to meet Tony (Pax Mondo) in person. He was kind enough to pick me up at the hotel and take me to a micro-brewery type restaurant for dinner and conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed the visit and hope to make it a regular occurrence to visit Tony on my future trips to Phoenix. I can't thank Tony enough for taking the time out of his busy schedule to meet. Not only did he drive, but he also wouldn't let me pay for dinner. Mexican or BBQ will be on me my next time down [8D].
I'll update the game situation in a day or two. Francois is a good player and I have my hands full. He's playing a different game then I'm used to and it's taking some adjustment. I'm also finding the reduced aviation support a pain in the butt and I've been vulnerable to both naval and air interdiction. Another nasty surprise is being on the receiving end of PBY Catalina's set to naval attack in the Philippines. They've been wreaking havoc.
It's early yet, but I am rusty playing Japan. Weather has also been unkind, preventing my Betty/Nell bombers from taking a toll of Allied shipping fleeing Singapore along the east coast of Sumatra and numerous SCTF's in the Philippines. Japanese naval forces have also been unable to react and interdict numerous Allied SCTF's around the Celebes. I need to find my mojo and fast.
Sadly, the pool was under renovations at the hotel and we were only able to enjoy one day poolside. We made the most of it though.
I am pleased to announce that I was able to meet Tony (Pax Mondo) in person. He was kind enough to pick me up at the hotel and take me to a micro-brewery type restaurant for dinner and conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed the visit and hope to make it a regular occurrence to visit Tony on my future trips to Phoenix. I can't thank Tony enough for taking the time out of his busy schedule to meet. Not only did he drive, but he also wouldn't let me pay for dinner. Mexican or BBQ will be on me my next time down [8D].
I'll update the game situation in a day or two. Francois is a good player and I have my hands full. He's playing a different game then I'm used to and it's taking some adjustment. I'm also finding the reduced aviation support a pain in the butt and I've been vulnerable to both naval and air interdiction. Another nasty surprise is being on the receiving end of PBY Catalina's set to naval attack in the Philippines. They've been wreaking havoc.
It's early yet, but I am rusty playing Japan. Weather has also been unkind, preventing my Betty/Nell bombers from taking a toll of Allied shipping fleeing Singapore along the east coast of Sumatra and numerous SCTF's in the Philippines. Japanese naval forces have also been unable to react and interdict numerous Allied SCTF's around the Celebes. I need to find my mojo and fast.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
I thought I'd elaborate further on the impact the reduced aviation support is having upon my operations.
I'm used to advancing under an LBA umbrella in the DEI. The initial disposition of aviation support units is less than ideal at start. Compounding the problem is that almost no aviation support units are included in the initial amphibious task forces. Taking the bases hasn't been an issue, getting aviation support forward is. Since December 8th, no Japanese naval air units have launched torpedo attacks against Allied TF's operating within strike range. I can only surmise distance and weather is preventing the attacks. I've already changed leadership in the torpedo bomber units to insure high aggression, but they still won't launch. Defensively, my forward fighters are operating from bases with inadequate aviation support and having to provide CAP/LRCAP in such small numbers as to be insufficient at best, resulting in successful enemy bombing attacks against my shipping.
In light of this development, I've created numerous follow up amphibious TF's to move as much aviation support forward to allow sufficient numbers of aircraft to be deployed at the point of attack. I fear I've missed the chance to close the escape route from Singapore, but with aircraft not flying there wasn't much I could have done. Until I can close the door on Allied naval movement, I've temporarily delayed the next wave of amphibious landings. A few days of delay in order to consolidate my position and provide adequate air cover moving forward will pay dividends. I've lost more ships in the first few days of the war then ever before, and it's the result of rushing amphibious landings ahead of providing adequate air cover. The most important Japanese units on the map right now are the aviation support units, without them in place I'm throwing away my chance at air superiority, which puts my naval assets at risk and allows Allied ships to escape destruction. In this case, a speedy advance simply means more sunk Japanese ships. I don't need to rush in the DEI, as it only provides opportunities to my opponent.
I'm used to advancing under an LBA umbrella in the DEI. The initial disposition of aviation support units is less than ideal at start. Compounding the problem is that almost no aviation support units are included in the initial amphibious task forces. Taking the bases hasn't been an issue, getting aviation support forward is. Since December 8th, no Japanese naval air units have launched torpedo attacks against Allied TF's operating within strike range. I can only surmise distance and weather is preventing the attacks. I've already changed leadership in the torpedo bomber units to insure high aggression, but they still won't launch. Defensively, my forward fighters are operating from bases with inadequate aviation support and having to provide CAP/LRCAP in such small numbers as to be insufficient at best, resulting in successful enemy bombing attacks against my shipping.
In light of this development, I've created numerous follow up amphibious TF's to move as much aviation support forward to allow sufficient numbers of aircraft to be deployed at the point of attack. I fear I've missed the chance to close the escape route from Singapore, but with aircraft not flying there wasn't much I could have done. Until I can close the door on Allied naval movement, I've temporarily delayed the next wave of amphibious landings. A few days of delay in order to consolidate my position and provide adequate air cover moving forward will pay dividends. I've lost more ships in the first few days of the war then ever before, and it's the result of rushing amphibious landings ahead of providing adequate air cover. The most important Japanese units on the map right now are the aviation support units, without them in place I'm throwing away my chance at air superiority, which puts my naval assets at risk and allows Allied ships to escape destruction. In this case, a speedy advance simply means more sunk Japanese ships. I don't need to rush in the DEI, as it only provides opportunities to my opponent.
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Don't mistake lack of talent for genius - Peter Steele (Type O Negative)
RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
I am in the same boat as you with the reduced aviation![&:] It is a pain. That and reduced engineers.
I have gotten to flying them around by transports to speed their deployment. Searchlights and radar follow as best they can but air HQs can really be 100% moved by air.
Get rid of those Theresa's!
I am hoping the Allies will suffer from this in 45, but somehow I doubt it.[:)]
I have gotten to flying them around by transports to speed their deployment. Searchlights and radar follow as best they can but air HQs can really be 100% moved by air.
Get rid of those Theresa's!
I am hoping the Allies will suffer from this in 45, but somehow I doubt it.[:)]
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I am in the same boat as you with the reduced aviation![&:] It is a pain. That and reduced engineers.
I have gotten to flying them around by transports to speed their deployment. Searchlights and radar follow as best they can but air HQs can really be 100% moved by air.
Get rid of those Theresa's!
Hah! Thalia's for me. I sacrifice the load of the Topsy to get that extra hex of distance, which I think will be more important.
The reduced aviation support will take some getting used to, but once I get a handle on events it will get easier.
If I recall, the torpedo element of Air HQ's doesn't transport by air, is that still correct?
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Hopefully, I will have my pergola built and then we will have you over to the house. The spouses can sit inside and discuss whatever they discuss (prolly nutty husbands), and we can sit outside with some VSOP or something like ...ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
I am pleased to announce that I was able to meet Tony (Pax Mondo) in person. He was kind enough to pick me up at the hotel and take me to a micro-brewery type restaurant for dinner and conversation. I thoroughly enjoyed the visit and hope to make it a regular occurrence to visit Tony on my future trips to Phoenix. I can't thank Tony enough for taking the time out of his busy schedule to meet. Not only did he drive, but he also wouldn't let me pay for dinner. Mexican or BBQ will be on me my next time down [8D].
Pax
RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
Sure they will fly - just load them on torpedo bombers![:D]ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon
If I recall, the torpedo element of Air HQ's doesn't transport by air, is that still correct?
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
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Sure they will fly - just load them on torpedo bombers![:D]
Sometimes I wish there was a smartass emoticon available...
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
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If I recall, the torpedo element of Air HQ's doesn't transport by air, is that still correct?
That's my experience. Correct.
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RE: Insert witty AAR title here - Sqz(J) vs. fcharton (A)
I spent a lot of time before my game started, and a good bit of that was locating all the aviation support units and then immediately routing ships to pick them up on turn 1. Even so, I don't think I've had an airbase yet that had anywhere near the support it needed. I typically have about 30 AV Support and 200-300 needed. But, since most 1942 Japan planes are SL 1 or 2, my operational tempo stays up pretty well.
I also think it is critical to have Air HQ's ready to go in that first wave of invasions so that at least a couple size 4 airbases have Aviation support on the turn you capture them. I spent many weeks planning all that out, it is a real planning challenge for sure.
I also think it is critical to have Air HQ's ready to go in that first wave of invasions so that at least a couple size 4 airbases have Aviation support on the turn you capture them. I spent many weeks planning all that out, it is a real planning challenge for sure.
