Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) GHC Victory
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
Allied Forces HQ reported the capture of 3,000 British soldiers as the result of a commando raid on a Italian port that went wrong. Confirmed was the Allied capture of 2 mountains on the Volturno Line.
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
ORIGINAL: Pelton
90th PD was attacked 4 more times this turn and they held vs all. I will rotate out the SU’s and leave the 157th MT regiment in the hex. The total manpower # is over 30,000, last turn it was under 20k. 15th AF is still heavly bombing the rail yards and ports to no avail as German front line supplies and CV increase with each passing turn. Recon has identified 7 Tank divisions in Italy.
so a major part of your play is based on abusing the SU allocation system? Helps avoid the entire interdiction element of the game design as I guess nobody expected someone to abuse the system rather than see it as an essential abstraction.
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
To make it official and on the books:
Victory Points = VPs showing - 36
Correct?
Can someone post the VP screen?
"War is never a technical problem only, and if in pursuing technical solutions you neglect the psychological and the political, then the best technical solutions will be worthless." - Hermann Balck
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
My last turn it was showing around +60-70VP i think.
Will take pic.
Will take pic.
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
Propaganda leaflets dropped on German troops.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
Thanks, I'm really curious in the breakdowns (city, bombing, u-boat, etc.) of different strategies moreso than their sum, so the screenshot is appreciated.
"War is never a technical problem only, and if in pursuing technical solutions you neglect the psychological and the political, then the best technical solutions will be worthless." - Hermann Balck
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 20
ORIGINAL: Seminole
Thanks, I'm really curious in the breakdowns (city, bombing, u-boat, etc.) of different strategies moreso than their sum, so the screenshot is appreciated.
will do.
It's April '44 and England has been under very bad weather for 2 weeks.
Much needed rest for the times to come.
To not bomb the railyards would be a greater mistake than the Germans resupplying by air/ports.
A bigger affect is on the movement of units, replacement troops/afv and every thing else that moves on rails.
The invasion of Italy was planned for long term not for quick gains, unless the opportunity was there.
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
Where to invade.
Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.
Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.
Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.
Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.
Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.
With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.
Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.
Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.
Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.
Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.
Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.
With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.
"A word was said - a mare is standing by the fence."
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
ORIGINAL: KWG
Where to invade.
Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.
Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.
Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.
Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.
Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.
With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.
One thing to keep in mind, if you invade initially in only one zone, he will be required to still garrison all the other zones. I would try to keep an invasion entirely within one zone initially for this reason; it will effectively pin something like 200-250 AV, which is alot, especially on top of the garrison in N. Italy
You also have a decision to make on that Anzio beachhead. You probably have to maintain an AMPHIB there, or evacuate it. Tough call. It's tying down German troops, and he will keep units there to prevent a breakout. I would probably leave it for now, and roll with 7 amphibs in France, just my opinion.
As far as the regions, Pas de Calais is unfortunately broken up by ports, so that is not a good spot IMO. Holland is a good place to land secondarily, but it's too easy to get pinned to the polders. I favor Brittany or Picardy, but that's just me....Normandy a possibility, though bocage is a problem. At least in Normandy, Cherbourg should be an easy grab.
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
APnews- April 15,1944
Guten Tag Herr Meier!
Daylight bombing of Berlin. US bombers and fighters flew over Berlin for the first time.
8th AAF reports intense combat in the skys of the Reich's capital.
"We will destroy the Luftwaffe" said General Doolittle.
Reichsmarschall "Herr Meier" Goering could not be reached for comment.
In the Italian Theatre good weather saw the resumption of Allied attacks and the liberation of the ancient town of Capua from Fascist control. As one British platoon leader said after the battle "Hannibal smiles at us."
When asked about the high casualty rate of Allied Forces General Eisenhower stated "We cannot defeat Nazi Germany without taking casualties. However, they will not have been in vain. Objectives will be met that will result in the achievement of the total destruction of our enemy"
Allied Intelligence reports the disappearance of the Hermann Goering Panzer Division from action in Italy.
"Must be going to Berlin to cleanup after the bombing" said one unnamed source.
Guten Tag Herr Meier!
Daylight bombing of Berlin. US bombers and fighters flew over Berlin for the first time.
8th AAF reports intense combat in the skys of the Reich's capital.
"We will destroy the Luftwaffe" said General Doolittle.
Reichsmarschall "Herr Meier" Goering could not be reached for comment.
In the Italian Theatre good weather saw the resumption of Allied attacks and the liberation of the ancient town of Capua from Fascist control. As one British platoon leader said after the battle "Hannibal smiles at us."
When asked about the high casualty rate of Allied Forces General Eisenhower stated "We cannot defeat Nazi Germany without taking casualties. However, they will not have been in vain. Objectives will be met that will result in the achievement of the total destruction of our enemy"
Allied Intelligence reports the disappearance of the Hermann Goering Panzer Division from action in Italy.
"Must be going to Berlin to cleanup after the bombing" said one unnamed source.
"A word was said - a mare is standing by the fence."
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
A VP look. This is with 2 weeks of very bad weather over England.


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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
Battle of the Appian Way
Outnumbered, 3-1 infantry and 8-1 afv, German forces hold the line.
German 7.92mm antitank rifles are small but have big stopping power.
A hail of fire from 20mm AA guns at 50meters (or is it yards?)
Motorcycle squad fires the most per element, hits the most.

Outnumbered, 3-1 infantry and 8-1 afv, German forces hold the line.
German 7.92mm antitank rifles are small but have big stopping power.
A hail of fire from 20mm AA guns at 50meters (or is it yards?)
Motorcycle squad fires the most per element, hits the most.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
Battle of the Appian Way
Allied forces get in close but cannot put out a good rate of accurate firepower.

Allied forces get in close but cannot put out a good rate of accurate firepower.

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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
Battle of the Appian Way
Got me to wondering. Are a tanks machine guns under represented - (under fired)?
Got me to wondering. Are a tanks machine guns under represented - (under fired)?
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
ORIGINAL: KWG
Battle of the Appian Way
Got me to wondering. Are a tanks machine guns under represented - (under fired)?
I would say that it is not only tanks, but also artillery and most of the other heavy armaments that are too weak, especially on the offensive. It seems to me to be impossible to bleed the Germans dry without heavy air support as the allies, even if you have a clear superiority in artillery and armour.
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
I was able to dislodge German stack in this hex when was looking at the save to fix interdict hex selection.
Was switching almost all FB to bomb units and added ground support AD. Although had to deal with level 3 German fort on turn 45 and lots of AA losses.
Was switching almost all FB to bomb units and added ground support AD. Although had to deal with level 3 German fort on turn 45 and lots of AA losses.
Pavel Zagzin
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
ORIGINAL: Helpless
I was able to dislodge German stack in this hex when was looking at the save to fix interdict hex selection.
Was switching almost all FB to bomb units and added ground support AD. Although had to deal with level 3 German fort on turn 45 and lots of AA losses.
I was flying all interdiction and no ground support. Thinking I needed some AA MG support units to put out a good ROF.
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RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
KWG what have your task forces been up to when you were making all those fruitless coastal attacks? Is there a reason you eschewed supporting naval gunfire to suppress the Germans?
"War is never a technical problem only, and if in pursuing technical solutions you neglect the psychological and the political, then the best technical solutions will be worthless." - Hermann Balck
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
Double post
"War is never a technical problem only, and if in pursuing technical solutions you neglect the psychological and the political, then the best technical solutions will be worthless." - Hermann Balck
RE: Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) turn 26 Bug hold.
ORIGINAL: Seminole
KWG what have your task forces been up to when you were making all those fruitless coastal attacks? Is there a reason you eschewed supporting naval gunfire to suppress the Germans?
I would say not say fruitless as Ive attacked over the winter to make the Germans use ammo. I have task forces there and have used them in the attacks. FOW shows nothing even off of Anzio.
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