Map with AI convoy and TF routes?

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Fri May 16, 2003 1:08 pm

Is there a map out there with all paths of the AI convoy system?

Would be a great help, i want to start a new game this night:D

Subchaser · Post by **Subchaser** » Sat May 17, 2003 2:39 am

Hi Odin

I have such map, but I can’t post it, when I’m trying to post reply with attachment, server refuses, blank clear page newreply.psp. appears and nothing else, the same problem with private messages. So if you really want it, send me PM with your e-mail address and I’ll mail it to you.

Don Bowen · Post by **Don Bowen** » Sat May 17, 2003 8:54 am

Originally posted by Subchaser
Hi Odin

I have such map, but I can’t post it.

Could you perhaps get it to Spooky's site?

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When called, we served
As our Fathers had served
And they spat on us for it

Odin · Post by **Odin** » Sat May 17, 2003 10:42 am

@Subchaser

Please send it here:

dpran@gmx.net

Thank you!

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:43 pm

In the old PacWar the display of TF routes has been deleted because it made it too easy to position your subs at the right places, leading to very 'distorted' (not to say 'ahistorical' :p) results. Playing wargames is suffering from hindsight more than enough already...

(walking away with a feeling of superiority...

)

Umh, err... well, okay - could you send me the map, too? I have a tough opponent who has sunk everything but my subs...

brent_2 · Post by **brent_2** » Sun May 18, 2003 8:51 pm

I was thinking about not so much as a "gamey" issue - but just the result of an organised staff that has done its research on the enemy capabilities...

(like the Zero range circles from rabaul and truk I have on my map

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Subchaser · Post by **Subchaser** » Sun May 18, 2003 10:32 pm

Actually this is not a map, this is list of hexes, made as a map. Of course usage of such ‘maps’ is way too gamey, submarines disposition according this map along a convoy route Truk-Lunga allow to eliminate 8 of 10 transports in convoy before victim TF reach its destination, all depends on how much subs participate in slaughter. But it’s gamish only if you’re challenging AI. If you are playing vs human, all template tactics must be thrown away, it’s the straightest way to be defeated early.

One of my opponents was using (better say using wrong) analog of this map and paid for this. He has placed all his subs along these routes with expectations of bloody massacre. I've noticed this (subs were sitting in the same hexes for too long time and were spotted by air patrols) precautionary measures were undertaken. It took a week for him to realize that only strong ASW groups of skilled destroyers use these routes. They had sunk 5 subs in 6 days with no losses. My real convoys were shambling slightly to the east or slightly to the west from the obvious routes, using unpredictable zigzag routes.

This map was useful before 2.30 came out, with reworked sub warfare engine it is almost useless now, at least against human. No need for calculation of a right hexes. If you’re playing vs AI and afraid of being seduced by this map – put your subs on computer control.

btw, LST you can easily make this map yourself

, it is very primitive, but if you prefer not to waste your time on such ‘gamey’ tricks you have to tell me your e-mail address :rolleyes:

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Sun May 18, 2003 11:28 pm

Originally posted by Subchaser

btw, LST you can easily make this map yourself , it is very primitive, but if you prefer not to waste your time on such ‘gamey’ tricks you have to tell me your e-mail address :rolleyes:

Sorry, I should have mentioned that the address can be found in my user profile. It's Taffy-03@gmx.net

Thanks in advance!

EDIT: Subchaser, if I'm not mistaken your location (52° 49" N, 41° 28" W) translates into the North Atlantic area south of Cape Farvel/Greenland and east of Cape Race/Newfoundland. Where are you, on the Titanic?

Subchaser · Post by **Subchaser** » Mon May 19, 2003 12:31 am

<Subchaser, if I'm not mistaken your location (52° 49" N, 41° 28" W) translates into the North Atlantic area south of Cape Farvel/Greenland and east of Cape Race/Newfoundland. Where are you, on the Titanic?>

No Titanic is quite far from this place, coordinates - 41*46” N 50*14” W. Less famous ship is rusting down here at 52*49” N 41*28” W.

btw, I sent it

LargeSlowTarget · Post by **LargeSlowTarget** » Mon May 19, 2003 3:22 am

Got the map, thank you!

Does this less famous ship has a name? There must be dozens of wrecks rusting in that part of the Atlantic, so it is difficult to tell...

Subchaser · Post by **Subchaser** » Mon May 19, 2003 2:40 pm

Originally posted by LargeSlowTarget
Got the map, thank you!

Does this less famous ship has a name? There must be dozens of wrecks rusting in that part of the Atlantic, so it is difficult to tell...

Name of the ship was “Captain Wordhard”, this transport vessel from CQ-6/3 convoy was successfully torpedoed by U-572 on 28 march 1942 at 52°49” N 41°28” W. This craft became famous back in 1998 because of unclear story with CIA unofficial financial sources and “Glomar Explorer” program.

Map with AI convoy and TF routes?

Map with AI convoy and TF routes?

The map

Re: The map

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Now isn't that gamey ;)?