Rodina Struggle (Morvael vs Cpt Flam)

[cpt flam]

center see them closing toward Rzhev and Vyazma
first counter attack by 20 Army against XX Korps
they must retreat
which is good for troop moral

[cpt flam]

in the south, we must leave a lot of ground to don't be trapped
i change zoom level to show the treat

bad news in production too: not enough ressources to create supply[:(]

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: cpt flam

Turn 10 or August 21, 1941
in the north, pocket has been anihilated
they continue to push a bit

looks like morvael is going to clear out Leningrad in record time, be good for his chances to renew the drive on Moscow. In the south looks good as well - as you say, you now need to abandon a lot to avoid repeating a certain historical foul up [;)] ?

do think Odessa is either something you defend seriously or not at all. I'm starting to wonder if setting up the bulk of 9 Army (ie using the non port forts as well) is a good idea? Ok you seriously weaken your lines on the lower Dneipr but its going to be a real thorn in the side of the axis player.

[morvael]

Stay tuned for next chapter, watch as the drama unfolds [:)]

Odessa is thorn for those who send FBD via Rumania. Then it's worth stalling them at the forts for longest possible time. But how can the Soviet player make sure it won't be ignored and bypassed, if Axis strategy is to send AGS more to the north? Early aggressive recon to locate FBD perhaps? Checking rail repair progress by looking at hex tooltips?

edit: it may not be fully visible, but Dnepr was crossed in Kremenchug by one panzer corps and some allies.

[morvael]

I admit I was surprised Leningrad was not fully stuffed with troops, for me it was lightly defended. But it was already stripped of industry, so perhaps cpt flam didn't want to "invest" resources there. Or maybe my early severing of the rail link prevented reinforcement to be sent? Or rail capacity was scarce and there was no way to send more men there?

[sillyflower]

The defence seems to be neither fish nor fowl(an english expression meaning 'neither one thing nor the other' for those not familiar with our idiom). Enough to make a juicy pocket but not enough to defend with.

L'gad (with Orienbaum) has 10% of the Russian rail capacity (30/298 points) and a higher percentage of his remaining capacity, so cutting it off will hurt him strategically under the new rail regime.

[cpt flam]

with losses to come rail capacity will be scarce
Turn 11 or August 28, 1941
in the north German meet Finns
Leningrad is doom in few weeks

[cpt flam]

front was nearly quiet in the center
last week Ivan Bezugly (Para corps) become Général Leitenant
one attack against an infantry division in front of Vyazma

[cpt flam]

the south saw the disaster preview [:(]
it was possible to reopen the pocket
we punished Hungarian motorised brigades
Iosif Khorun ( 9 Army- South Front) was promoted Général Leitenant

I am learning hard way their movempent capacity

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: cpt flam

the south saw the disaster preview [:(]
it was possible to reopen the pocket
we punished Hungarian motorised brigades
Iosif Khorun ( 9 Army- South Front) was promoted Général Leitenant

I am learning hard way their movempent capacity

By turn 10 RH's are at or near rivers and its time to give ground or lose allot

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: Pelton
By turn 10 RH's are at or near rivers and its time to give ground or lose allot

Don't embarass me, my railheads were still quite far away from rivers at this time [:D] I kept going by air resupply...

edit P.S. I really like how it turned to be a near historical Kiev encirclement. Guderian slowly trudging from the north (with just 20-25 MP per turn due to no air resupply) and faster von Kleist linking with him from the south.

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower
L'gad (with Orienbaum) has 10% of the Russian rail capacity (30/298 points) and a higher percentage of his remaining capacity, so cutting it off will hurt him strategically under the new rail regime.

Yeah, aside from factory hunting it's very good to capture and hold Soviet rail hubs. Slows down the speed at which reinforcements from Siberia arrive.

[chaos45]

That huge pocket in the south will be pretty crushing to the Soviets, esp combined with the early victory at leningrad.

[morvael]

If I could keep it sealed until November, then perhaps yes. But I had to destroy it to shorten front, so they will be rebuilt for free...

[sillyflower]

7 paras will never come back, and the 2 cav xx will cost APs to replace. The others will cost a stockpile of arms point + men and as for the lost trucks...............

Anyway, bragging rights are worth more than anything else of course. Get matrix to sticky the post[:D] -it's the least they can do for you.

[chaos45]

Its not exactly a free rebuild---it takes manpower and armaments---which the Soviets barely have enough of to refill/rebuild the new and incoming units as.

Everything you kill after the first 4/5 turns makes the Soviets take longer ot rebuild over the long haul. As I have said many times manpower and armaments for the Soviets arent infinite if you lose to many men and to much equipment it will cripple the soviets ability to counterattack esp with coupled with heavy industry losses.

Even doing excellently and disbanded un-needed air HQ/airbases- the soviets manpower runs out around Turn 6 or so and its down to just new recruiting, and armaments starts to run out around T17 or so. An thats with low Soviet losses.

The new incoming units quickly eat most of what the soviets are building so anything extra lost just drives you deeper into a hole that takes longer to build/recruit your way out of. Not to mention heavy losses then makes the Germans ability to inflict heavier losses later in 1941 and in summer 1942 easier. The snowball effect.

So those units permanently lost- dont forget that mountain division and not sure but tank bdes rebuild or no??? you get so many and they are so much junk till tank corps I never paid attention if they rebuild for free early on.

[cpt flam]

Turn 12 or setember 4, 1941
only Leningrad continue the fight
we lost the panzergroup which was here[:(]

[cpt flam]

in the center
the clash continue in front of Vyazma
first Guards units are promoted
2 rifle XX, a Para X and some Art units

[cpt flam]

in the south
16 Panzer XX took a hit

actually i'm playing turn 21
manpower and armament pools are not dry yet

[Peltonx]

chaos most people don't build what you do so they don't run out of stuff so soon.

The things they build are not armament/manpower hogs.