World in Flames Patch 1.4.5.0

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Cohen

There is a Para ready to invade Miami.
Just need to go through the phases and set dices to have the proper declarations of war!

I think you mean that the Para is ready to invade Cuba from Tampa.

I get the notional strength as zero. That holds true for the combat resolution phase too.

[palne]

GE & USSR Molotov Pact:

Scenario:

USSR demand Finnish borderlands. GE says, "no." War between Finland and USSR ensues.
Most of the USSR army north of the Pripet's gets sucked into Finland.
GE units meander into Finland. GE units can not attack or enter USSR controlled hexes in Finland. GE FTR's can no intercept, but can ground support GE units being attacked.
Helsinki is taken when USSR uses its O-chit.
Garrison is counted for all of the units of USSR IN Finland.
Finland is conquered, Finishes troops disappear. GE had withdrawn 2 Finnish Corp, and 2 Finnish Div's to GE in an attempt to keep them from dissolving...no such luck...
Remaining GE units teleport back to GE.
All Finnnish hexes become USSR controlled.

Problem:

The USSR units in Finland STILL count for USSR garrison requirements in the Molotov pact. If they hadn't, GE could have declared war in NOV/DEC 1940 1st impulse after Finland was conquered. The rules seem to imply that ONLY USSR units with 3 hexes of the GE border count for Garrison. Finland has no hexes within 3 of the GE border, so they should not be counted?

Comment:

I can understand why they are still counted as why would the fall of Finland encourage GE to attack and violate the Molotov pact, whose purpose was to allow the attacking of Finland should the Finnish borderlands not be surrendered?

[Centuur]

It depends on the situation. Can you make a screenshot? Is Norway Axis controlled (or Sweden)? Can you make a shot with hex control in it?

[paulderynck]

It's hard to feature a situation where the USSR units in Finland would count towards garrison after Finland has surrendered.

Sounds like this is a bug.

[Zorachus99]

ORIGINAL: palne

GE & USSR Molotov Pact:

Scenario:

USSR demand Finnish borderlands. GE says, "no." War between Finland and USSR ensues.
Most of the USSR army north of the Pripet's gets sucked into Finland.
GE units meander into Finland. GE units can not attack or enter USSR controlled hexes in Finland. GE FTR's can no intercept, but can ground support GE units being attacked.
Helsinki is taken when USSR uses its O-chit.
Garrison is counted for all of the units of USSR IN Finland.
Finland is conquered, Finishes troops disappear. GE had withdrawn 2 Finnish Corp, and 2 Finnish Div's to GE in an attempt to keep them from dissolving...no such luck...
Remaining GE units teleport back to GE.
All Finnnish hexes become USSR controlled.

Problem:

The USSR units in Finland STILL count for USSR garrison requirements in the Molotov pact. If they hadn't, GE could have declared war in NOV/DEC 1940 1st impulse after Finland was conquered. The rules seem to imply that ONLY USSR units with 3 hexes of the GE border count for Garrison. Finland has no hexes within 3 of the GE border, so they should not be counted?

Comment:

I can understand why they are still counted as why would the fall of Finland encourage GE to attack and violate the Molotov pact, whose purpose was to allow the attacking of Finland should the Finnish borderlands not be surrendered?

Units not in ZOC count toward garrison if within range of 3 hexes of common border. The common border is rectified during the Conquest Phase. In any impulse in the subsequent turn, any Soviet units using this calculation, would not count against the Nazi-Soviet Peace Pact; as they are no longer within 3 hexes of the common border.

[palne]

Do I need permissions to attach files or post pictures?

[palne]

Also, does the 3 hexes from the border mean, "four hexes from the GE's on the other side of the border?" That means there are 3 empty hexes between USSR and GE units. The border is a "line" and therefore splits two hexes--on side GE, other side USSR. Starting from the USSR unit, and counting 3 hexes (empty) to the border at the edge of the 3rd hex?

Just making sure. Also, impassable hexes are ok, right? like units in the Crimea are still 3 hexes away (over sea/coastals) and therefore part of garrison. Correct?

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: palne

Do I need permissions to attach files or post pictures?

No as long as you are logged in and not just in Guest mode. Files need to be zipped. Only JPGs and ZIPs can be uploaded.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: palne

Also, does the 3 hexes from the border mean, "four hexes from the GE's on the other side of the border?" That means there are 3 empty hexes between USSR and GE units. The border is a "line" and therefore splits two hexes--on side GE, other side USSR. Starting from the USSR unit, and counting 3 hexes (empty) to the border at the edge of the 3rd hex?

Just making sure. Also, impassable hexes are ok, right? like units in the Crimea are still 3 hexes away (over sea/coastals) and therefore part of garrison. Correct?

Start at the border and count 1. Doesn't matter what's in the hex or hex-dot. Doesn't matter if you count through hexes in neutral countries to get to one that is 3 away.

[palne]

Thanks Paul...that's one less hex than I was using. I was not counting the hex the border was a part of....

[Centuur]

I've got the gamesave from Palne and I don't see a problem with the calculation of the garrison value. The border with Rumania also counts for the common border:

RAW:

Your common border with another major power consists of every hex
you (or your aligned minor countries) control within 3 hexes and/or
hexdots of a hex controlled by the other major power (or its aligned
minor countries).

The garrison calculation is correct, with Germany on 70 garrison points and the USSR on 31. No USSR units in Finland are included in the count.

I'll include the gamesave in here too.

[VictorCharlie]

Just downloaded WiF and looking forward to learning and getting into the game.

I take it that 1.4.5.0 is the latest official patch?

While 2.1.0.3 is a beta of possible changes still being tested?

So it’s best to use 1.4.5.0 in my case?

[Courtenay]

There have been so many bug fixes since 1.4.5.0 that I would go with the latest hot patch.

Occasionally there has been a new major bug in a hot patch; this is rare.

The odds of a bug giving you a problem are much higher for 1.4.5.0 than for the latest release.

If there is a major problem in a hot patch, it is normally fixed pretty quickly.

[VictorCharlie]

Ok thanks.

So i would download beta: v2.1.0.3

and then apply the Hot Patch: Version 02 01 02 00 to that?

[Mayhemizer_slith]

Correct.