Semi OT..Are carriers obsolete?

[geofflambert]

ORIGINAL: goblinteasemaid

What amazes me, call me naive, is that these games assume you can use a tactical nuke, without unleashing grave strategic consequences. Are we forgetting the geo political dimension. The day any power choses a nuke , is the start of Armageddon. Thats not in your scripts.

OK, I'm up to satisfying many requirements, Mr. Naïve. Is there any other thing you wanted?

[geofflambert]

I think we need to develop submersible craft that can operate drones that are capable of delivering 'Hellfire missiles'. That seems pretty basic and we need to know how to do it even if we choose not to.

[goblinteasemaid]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

ORIGINAL: goblinteasemaid

What amazes me, call me naive, is that these games assume you can use a tactical nuke, without unleashing grave strategic consequences. Are we forgetting the geo political dimension. The day any power choses a nuke , is the start of Armageddon. Thats not in your scripts.

OK, I'm up to satisfying many requirements, Mr. Naïve. Is there any other thing you wanted?

OK General, You lose off a tactical nuke, what are going to be the consequences?

OBTW can anyone advise me if a tactical nuke has ever been set off in anger?

[HMSWarspite]

Only two nukes have ever been set off in anger: 1945, Japan. The rest are tests.

[tocaff]

Sub drivers claim that they are hunters and everyone else is a target.

Carriers aren't obsolete, but the offense is almost always a step ahead of the defense. 1 carrier is weaker than 2 operating together, etc. as AE has taught us. Where you put your assets also has a lot to do with mission capabilities and the asset's ability to survive the environment. A ship the size of a modern CVN isn't so easy to sink, but to be put out of commission is another story.

[goblinteasemaid]

[:'(]Hi TC, much appreciated your AAR, but it then reminded me how the use of Tactical Nuke missiles makes the whole theatre take a quantum leap into wholly unrealistic simulations.
Conventional warfare, as described in your AAR, can be realistic in CMANO, I guess, with the limitation of not being able to sim the effect of ground forces (maybe there is a workaround here)

Playing war games with nukes we are not going to use??????
Can we dare imagine a skirmish between Israel and Iran

North Korea lobbing a dirty bomb over the DMZ

2020 hindsight is grand but will I get to see that[&o]

[btd64]

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I think we need to develop submersible craft that can operate drones that are capable of delivering 'Hellfire missiles'. That seems pretty basic and we need to know how to do it even if we choose not to.

Remember that Sifi show back in the 70's called UFO. They could launch interceptors from under water. So how about a submersible aircraft carrier....GP

[Olorin]

I don't necessarily agree with what is stated in these links, but I thik they are relevant:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Millennium_Challenge_2002
http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-th ... -will-die/

[desicat]

ORIGINAL: General Patton

ORIGINAL: geofflambert

I think we need to develop submersible craft that can operate drones that are capable of delivering 'Hellfire missiles'. That seems pretty basic and we need to know how to do it even if we choose not to.

Remember that Sifi show back in the 70's called UFO. They could launch interceptors from under water. So how about a submersible aircraft carrier....GP

Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, flying sub and all!

[goblinteasemaid]

Many thanx for the links

How long will it be before we have semi autonomous drones carrying serious payloads

The Swedish AIP Gotland sub was able to sneak up under the Nimitz and effectively defeat it during some recent embarrassing war games

[desicat]

ORIGINAL: goblinteasemaid

Many thanx for the links

How long will it be before we have semi autonomous drones carrying serious payloads

The Swedish AIP Gotland sub was able to sneak up under the Nimitz and effectively defeat it during some recent embarrassing war games

I wouldn't want to have to rely on any kind of drone (direct or semi autonomous) for fire support or even surveillance against a first world threat.

Some "games" have built in deficiencies to test tactics or theories, I'm not overly worried about robotic or regular subs defeating CVN force protection assets in the near term.

[Dili]

There is a reason USN rented Swedish submarines. Anyway sinking US carriers is not a novelty in Nato exercises, there were several cases reported in 80's. AIP only increases the odds. It also don't go unnoticed how sometimes a submarine has a close encounter with a ship showing how even the best sonars that are in nuclear submarines fail to detect close surfaced ships.

Water is not a homogeneous medium, sound properties vary with thermo-climes and salinity.