Fatal Victories!!

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Post by Figmo » Sun Apr 08, 2001 5:27 pm

We all know about some of the "Fatal Victories" such as "Pearl Harbor" were the Victory ended up costing more in the end.

I'm looking for ideas for scenarios of land victories that ended up not really being victories - like maybe operation "Market/Garden" the Arnhem battle that was considered 90% successful but ended up costing the Allies because it stretched them out and gave the Germans the opportunity for operation "Watch On the Rhine".

Any ideas??

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Post by jjc424 » Sun Apr 08, 2001 6:47 pm

Crete would be a good one. It was a pyric
victory.

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Post by McGib » Sun Apr 08, 2001 6:53 pm

Dieppe comes to mind. Without it Operation Overlord would have failed

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Post by Figmo » Mon Apr 09, 2001 6:29 am

Thanks Guys - great ideas.

Would Rommel's capture of Tobruk fit in this category?

Figmo

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Post by Alexandra » Mon Apr 09, 2001 5:23 pm

Originally posted by Figmo:
Thanks Guys - great ideas.

Would Rommel's capture of Tobruk fit in this category?

Figmo

I'd argue that the commitment of Panzer Armee Afrika in the first place would fit here. After all, without control of both Crete and Malta, and arguably the Suez and Gibraltar, it was never a viable army, logisitically speaking. No matter what Rommel did, tactically, logistically and strategically his position was always iffy, compunded by Rommel's own failure to understand the importance of his logiistical lifeline.

Alex

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