FIFTY SHADES OF WiTE: SILLYFLOWER V BRIANG

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: HITMAN202

AGN .. what's going on with that foray in northern Volkov River ?? How big is your push east of Novograd ??


AGS ..thought you had overreached to tie down Rostov's AP (you stated so), but to isolate so many units (and poised to do more damage), I'm shocked. I bet he will stay west of the Donets River and allow more mayhem. Remarkable.


And AGC .. goodness gracious ... what a disaster !!! And by trying to hold Moscow he will add more wood to your offensive blaze. The level 2 fort in east Moscow will be your biggest challenge in isolating the Kremlin. However since there are so many clear hexes around the city, I think you will succeed. Great game.


One trivial point. I think the Axis needs to start building the blizzard fort line no later than turn 13. The buildup of forts (even via fortification zones) is so slow in mud and blizzard you will fail to complete an adequate defense line (IMO.)


Question.. When you have a HELD at a key attack (with MP's remaining) what's your general MO ??? I found adding a stronger leader to a key Corp in the assault (yes AP's involved) before repeating the attack was often the best approach.

Tx Dr T

AGN - Nothing has moved with the Finns at the top of the map and you will have to wait and see what happens with AGN but basically pushing forward to grab as much of all that good defensive terrain as I can.

AGS - I didn't let all my armour become over-extended. That would have been silly, as it was in AGC aound T9 or 10, but maybe Brian thought I had.

Blizzard forts on T13 [&:] You should change your name to Hitwimp for such a defeatist suggestion [:-]. Such defences would be far too far back to be of any use in this game and I have far better uses for my APs.

Re holds: it depends on the reason. Was it a misjudged attack or were there bizarre CV changes during the combat? If the former I would increase that attack force or change from a hasty to full attack. If the latter, I would be more inclined to repeat the attack as was. Einstein wasn't always right about the madness of repeating a failed action. What I would never do would be to change corps commanders then. Unit organisation and commanders need to be checked and sorted before you start attacking.

[ericv]

you just keep on going and going. 2 more turns. The only thing I have seen that comes close is mkTours'game, I thought it was mktours, who used a bug in the fuel airdrop system, where, when certain conditions were met, supply squadrons could keep on refueling motorized divisions.

Really impressive

[mktours]

ORIGINAL: ericv

you just keep on going and going. 2 more turns. The only thing I have seen that comes close is mkTours'game, I thought it was mktours, who used a bug in the fuel airdrop system, where, when certain conditions were met, supply squadrons could keep on refueling motorized divisions.

Really impressive

when you said someone use a bug, you must give evidence!
I have never played with you, so where you got your conclusion from?
"who used a bug in the fuel airdrop system, where, when certain conditions were met, supply squadrons could keep on refueling motorized divisions. "?
you must clarify your statement to me, that is blatant assault with no evidence and no reason.

[mktours]

ORIGINAL: ericv

you just keep on going and going. 2 more turns. The only thing I have seen that comes close is mkTours'game, I thought it was mktours, who used a bug in the fuel airdrop system, where, when certain conditions were met, supply squadrons could keep on refueling motorized divisions.

Really impressive

you must come back and comment on my AAR, and give your evidence on the AAR, and prove that I "use a Bug", otherwise you must apologize to me.
" I thought it was mktours, who used a bug in the fuel airdrop system, where, when certain conditions were met, supply squadrons could keep on refueling motorized divisions. " that is not correct and completely your blatant assault at me.

[sillyflower]

T16



Leaving the weak LVI Pz corps up there was a bit controversial though I didn't think I had any choice. It started earing its keep with a bit of a breakthrough towards the Valdai hills. I want those commies further back and I want some or all of those rough terrain hexes for my winter line.

My first forts of the game appear, though I wd prefer it if they are not needed this winter.

[sillyflower]

South



A big pullback by Brian means that a charge to the nort would be unlikely to get a worthwhile haul of trapped units, so I went for the AG A+B option. Voroshilev (sadly empty of factories), Azov and Bataysk taken, and Manych ZOC-locked ready to take next turn. No units surrounded.

Azov is a port in marsh with major river or sea on 3 hex sides. Pocketing its defenders was therefore pointless. After doing the South, I thought that I should have done it a bit differently by making a bit more effort to get some sort of pocket. On the other hand, any units S of the Donets on T18 would be isolated for being 100+ MPs from the rail head, so who knows if that would have been better. It was fun just punching him round and displacing airfields and HQs. I retreated what I could back to or over the Donets

Quite a lot of effort eliminating the pocket - no justification for not doing so as I am not comfortable with option 4 in my ethics qu. thread.

[sillyflower]

Anyone care to guess what happened in Moscow area?

[Northern Star]

I think an encirclement of Moscow is possible in turn 16. North of Moscow the defence looks weak, and there are many mobile units to encircle it from the south.

[Michael T]

Massive counter attack breaks the pocket. You reform it even tighter.

[timmyab]

Did Brian kick the table over and in the confusion claim a draw? [:D]

Actually I bet he counterattacks cutting off 2nd and 3rd PGs.

[sillyflower]

Between you, you got it right, in terms of the game. Timmy tab in terms of Brian's dreams, or what Michael T would probably have done [;)].



Kaluga falls at last, and Rzhev is liberated without any resistance. It was great relief to see Brian falling back there are that flank was getting increasingly stretched and vulnerable. 2nd Army could not move forward there at all, but now grabs about 2000 square miles of territory whilst shortening its front.

36th Mot xx that closed the pocket survived 3 bombing runs and 5 ground attacks before giving way to attack no.6. Brian's other attacks to unlock his factories in Moscow failed. He did, however, finally get all the factories out of NW Moscow.

Somewhat reluctantly, I decided to rout 3 divs out of the pocket to enable a 12 division attack on W Moscow. If I can take it before the mud, it will be much easier to take the other 2 hexes in the snow. After spending an AP fortune on re-organisation, to my shame my troops just failed as can be seen on the combat screen . At least they reduced the fort from 2 to 0 so it should be easier next turn, and it did start off as a 1:1 so I can't whinge.

Everyone else headed east or north east. No sign of any fresh armies, though he had shifted some forces that had been defending Tula. I toyed with sending the Pz xxx that had built up last tun, to Tula but stayed frimly to the schwerpunct doctrine. Trying for both objectives could lead to failure to get either. Moscow and its factories is far the bigger prize. Resistance wasn't as strong as I had expected. I suspect that 7 failed c/attacks adjacent to Moscow weakened and fatigued his forces. That's the problem with Russian c/attacks at this stage. It is something that I always bear in mind when playing as russian. Moscow and 1 adjacent fortified hex was surrounded - although there are 2 unoccupied hexes that he can just walk into.16 more routs appear to have left the Reds with a similar number of front line divisions, so I'm not expecting much of a counterattack.

[Manstein63]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower
Anyone care to guess what happened in Moscow area?

I appear to have got it wrong again, as I thought that the Police had come along and arrested all of those naughty boys for being out past their bedtimes.

Manstein63

[sillyflower]

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[sillyflower]

Losses 12.1K to 175K, air 169 to 349. 16 inf divs destroyed + 3 tk x (2 due to shattering) whilst 34 divs (3 guards) and 4 tk brigades are in pockets. Russian OOB at the end of my turn only 4.085M. Just under 200K increase ie about half the increase Pelton showed between T10 - T15 in his games that lasted that long. Russian rail capacity down to 106K and 1260 manpower centres captured whilst many more ran away and will currently not be producing. 66 arms and 38 HI factories destroyed. Excellent as my hero Montgomery would say.






Montgomery Burns obviously.

All 3 AGs making a good contributions commensurate with their resources. The last couple of turns will make a huge difference, insofar as a couple of turns can in a 212 turn game. Gaining valuable defensive terrain in the north, whilst Russian forces in the centre and south are in considerable disarray.It's the famous momentum effect. Lower OOB makes it easier to kill more, reducing the OOB further and so on in a virtuous circle.

Moscow now looks extremely achievable, especially if I get W Moscow in the last clear turn. Taking the other 2 in the snow should then be very doable. Getting the main city with all its factories is the main prize.

Only 1 more happy turn to come though, but for now here's selfie of me writing this post

[Peltonx]

Don't be surpised if u don't get AGB. I did not in my game vs chaos, dam bug simply will not go away

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

Losses 12.1K to 175K, air 169 to 349. 16 inf divs destroyed + 3 tk x (2 due to shattering) whilst 34 divs (3 guards) and 4 tk brigades are in pockets. Russian OOB at the end of my turn only 4.085M. Just under 200K increase ie about half the increase Pelton showed between T10 - T15 in his games that lasted that long. Russian rail capacity down to 106K and 1260 manpower centres captured whilst many more ran away and will currently not be producing. 66 arms and 38 HI factories destroyed. Excellent as my hero Montgomery would say.






Montgomery Burns obviously.

All 3 AGs making a good contributions commensurate with their resources. The last couple of turns will make a huge difference, insofar as a couple of turns can in a 212 turn game. Gaining valuable defensive terrain in the north, whilst Russian forces in the centre and south are in considerable disarray.It's the famous momentum effect. Lower OOB makes it easier to kill more, reducing the OOB further and so on in a virtuous circle.

Moscow now looks extremely achievable, especially if I get W Moscow in the last clear turn. Taking the other 2 in the snow should then be very doable. Getting the main city with all its factories is the main prize.

Only 1 more happy turn to come though, but for now here's selfie om me writing this post

Your so close. If u don't get the factorys or Moscow, your looking at an average game as Germany and it will come down to 42.

Average game in my book as nothing is settle - not enough industry destroyed not
Taking Moscow.

[RKhan]

Pelton: brilliant that you keep such metrics, but who resigned? I hope it was not you.

[RKhan]

Sillyflower: an exemplary game. No offence to Brian G, but you could hardly have done much better against the AI (assuming you buff up the AI decently).

Are you playing with the sudden death rules in 1941? If so, do you fancy your chances of a 1941 win?

[sillyflower]

Tx RKhan

Not playing sudden death and I won't get Voroznez either.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: RKhan

Pelton: brilliant that you keep such metrics, but who resigned? I hope it was not you.

They resigned.