Why so much supply in Madras?

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

Thanks, Bullwinkle.

I forgot about one thing - both Calcutta and Bombay hold static Command HQs, pulling at least 20,000 supplies towards both ports. That is why Bombay went into storage overkill mode - biggest port plus a command HQ. I will ship all this supply away and put an end to this behind-the-lines food orgy.

As I said it's also a function of your era. "A lot" of supply in 1943 starts at 100,000. 20-30k is who-cares-land. I leave a bunch at Bombay, Karachi, and Calcutta so they can R&R LCUs, especially in the case of Karachi those I bought back from the dead. But as time and the war moves forward bases that were linchpins in early 1942 become total backwaters.

[GetAssista]

ORIGINAL: Yaab
The biggest ports in India (port+airfield) are:

Bombay - 10
Calcutta, Madras - 9
Karachi - 8
...

Just a reminder that it's not (port+airfield) that matters, but largest port size. Airfield size only plays a role as a tie breaker between the largest ports

[PaxMondo]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Guys, don't make this tougher than it is. There ain't no bugs here.

And this was a 5-year-old zombie thread. Supply works fine. A combo of spinners and stockpile switches and you're good.

Exactly ... plus as you stated: you gotta be pumping supply in and you gotta have enough to work with.


200K supply for all of India as the allies? That's starvation unless you have moved a LOT of troops out.

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: GetAssista

ORIGINAL: Yaab
The biggest ports in India (port+airfield) are:

Bombay - 10
Calcutta, Madras - 9
Karachi - 8
...

Just a reminder that it's not (port+airfield) that matters, but largest port size. Airfield size only plays a role as a tie breaker between the largest ports

I hope your theory is right, because Calcutta maxes out at port level 6, so it won't beat Bombay on port size alone. Time will tell.

[ny59giants]

Another factor overlooked here is what bombers does one have at an AF?? If you station your 2e and 4e bombers at a base, it will draw extra. The base size and Command HQ present affect it as others have noted.

[Yaab]

Yes, but their supply needs are lumped into the base supply requirements. That is why in my game at Dec 31, 1941 Delhi has 10,000 supplies because it hosts a dozen of B-17s there.

Actually, if you want to move supply to an inland base, have no spare Command HQ to attract supply and do not want to mess with supply dials, you can just park some 4Es in the base, and porters and mules will happily bring whatever wares you need there.

[Yaab]

One more thing.

If Bombay has port 6 and most of India's supplies, Calcutta has port 5 and I use no supply demand/stockpiling whatsoever in India, and the supplies are being shipped from Bombay to Calcutta by ships, does that mean that once the supplies are dumped in Calcutta, they will afterwards slowly migrate by land to Bombay again? Because if the code pushes supplies to the biggest port, then these shipped supplies should go back to Bombay from Calcutta, unless stockpiling is enabled in Calcutta. Am I right?

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

If Bombay has port 6 and most of India's supplies, Calcutta has port 5 and I use no supply demand/stockpiling whatsoever in India, and the supplies are being shipped from Bombay to Calcutta by ships, does that mean that once the supplies are dumped in Calcutta, they will afterwards slowly migrate by land to Bombay again? Because if the code pushes supplies to the biggest port, then these shipped supplies should go back to Bombay from Calcutta, unless stockpiling is enabled in Calcutta. Am I right?

Yes, Yaab. With no other factor affecting the demand for and flow of supplies, excess supplies will drift back to Bombay. It is a waste of shipping and fuel to ship them to Calcutta, unless you are stockpiling them there for near term use. Under normal conditions, as supply is needed in and around Calcutta, it will flow from the large pile at Bombay.

[Yaab]

Good to know. Thanks!

[Yaab]

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

[AW1Steve]

In my games I never have that problem in the Panama ports. Every ship coming through picks up a load then once I've assembled a decent convoy , sails to an over seas port to unload or join up with an existing convoy to where ever the supplies or fuel is needed. I NEVER sail with an empty bottom unless absolutely necessary. Anyone who's ever worked in the transportation industry will tell you that "the road to bankruptcy begins with empty vehicles". In wartime those empty "vehicles" (or ships or aircraft costs lives as well as dollars. Make everyone count.)

If I had a single wish for the imaginary AE2 it would be that a transport aircraft could be loaded "both ways". A plane flying supplies to a besiege base could also evacuate units out on the return trip. With ships you can often do that. Resources or troops being transferred to a malaria free zone for a rest and refit..

[Yaab]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

Yep, enough. In DBB-C scen 28 both ports receive 500 free supply daily. So in your game and my game Cristobal accumulates 85-90% of this free supply production from both ports just because it has a bigger port. Just the quirk of the game engine.

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: Yaab

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

Yep, enough. In DBB-C scen 28 both ports receive 500 free supply daily. So in your game and my game Cristobal accumulates 85-90% of this free supply production from both ports just because it has a bigger port. Just the quirk of the game engine.

Not really. The 2M+ at Cristobal is from Convoy dumps the scenario designers put in the arrival queue. It's not from 500/day anything. Neither is Balboa; it's flow from Cristobal, not the other way round. In the early game I sent most of the 500/day stuff to Port Stanley or out to PH with arrivals as AW1Steve says. Balboa was usually under 20,000. There are no planes there and LCUs pass through. There's no reason to hold a pile. When the convoy arrivals start there's so much supply floating off-map the Allies have no hope of ever moving it all. Aden gets multi-millions, as does CT.

[rustysi]

If I had a single wish for the imaginary AE2 it would be that a transport aircraft could be loaded "both ways". A plane flying supplies to a besiege base could also evacuate units out on the return trip.

I actually tried this once. IIRC it let me bring in supplies and set a pick up troops order, but it was never carried out. Only the supplies went, the pick up troops order stayed, but was never executed.[:(] BTW, before someone asks, both bases had an airfield.

[Yaab]

Just one more observation.

I thought the supply routine chooses the biggest port in each in-game country. If you press 4, you will see that India is code 44, while Ceylon is code 45. However, in RHS mod, where India is linked with Ceylon by the means of Adam's Bridge and Trincomalee is the biggest port both in India and Ceylon, the code pushed almost 1,000,000 supply points from India to Trincomalee in a few turns.

BTW, this would explain why Jap players see supply and fuel accumulate in Singapore - it is the biggest port (level 9) for Burma/Malaya/Thailand/Indochina region.

[Yaab]

Seems Alfred resolved the issue, post #13:

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He only speaks of resources, but I see supplies, oil and fuel behave the same way.

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6. In the absence of player intervention, raw materials produced at a base are sent to satisfy the natural demands from all bases which can trace a valid supply path back to the production site. Any surplus raw materials production is then sent to the largest port which can trace a valid supply path. The tie breaker when 2 or more equally sized ports are candidates, is the port with the highest spoilage limit.
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[GetAssista]

*sigh*

ORIGINAL: GetAssista
Just a reminder that it's not (port+airfield) that matters, but largest port size. Airfield size only plays a role as a tie breaker between the largest ports

[Yaab]

Does anyone know what happens when in a given economy i.e. China I lose all coastal and riverine ports? How is surplus oil/res/fuel/supply distributed then? Does it accumulate in the base with the biggest airfield? Does it "bounce" form base to base freely then? Accumulates in national capitals?

[Yaab]

Just want to share a morning thought.

If you fear an early Japanese invasion of India, then start developing Karachi port from the start. When you reach port level 7, all surplus will start to accumulate in Karachi instead of Bombay and its level 6 port. Thus all surplus supply will be pulled to this northernmost base away from incoming Japs, denying them any supply windfall. If Japs manage to conquer the whole of India, but Karachi, you will be sitting on huge pile of supply/ resources in Karachi, turning it into an unbreakable mega fortress with whole US Army living there comfortably.