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[zuluhour]

Pretty sure he noticed now

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Sangeli
I've had fully prepped units take that kind of casualties on an atoll invasion. At least you were smart enough to land a whole division instead of multiple regiments.

Changes in the game engine have muted that effect. Multiple regiments are OK now.

Since when??? I am using the latest official patch and it did not seem to be the case for me. Smaller LCUs in shock attacks always fair very poorly in my experience.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Sangeli

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Sangeli
I've had fully prepped units take that kind of casualties on an atoll invasion. At least you were smart enough to land a whole division instead of multiple regiments.

Changes in the game engine have muted that effect. Multiple regiments are OK now.

Since when??? I am using the latest official patch and it did not seem to be the case for me. Smaller LCUs in shock attacks always fair very poorly in my experience.

Been good for me.

See the (somewhat) recent thread about the most recent iteration of Babes, where Aus divisions are remaining as Bdes and cannot rebuild.

[zuluhour]

In the case of my Nauru island assault, I thought weight of numbers would overcome
complete lack of prep. NO. The landing saw 99% disruption after the shock attack. I
have not ordered any further attacks or bombardments. I'm currently musing on a plan
of action there. Reinforce with more un prepped units and hope for better results? Doubt
it. I will bombard it a few times and see if I can raise his disruption a notch or two first,
I think.

[witpqs]

Do they have a 'crap ton'of supply? How fast are they recovering?

If the Japanese cannot send help to wreak havoc, that might be the best course of action. Note that I did not say "pleasing". [:D]

[Sangeli]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour
In the case of my Nauru island assault, I thought weight of numbers would overcome
complete lack of prep. NO. The landing saw 99% disruption after the shock attack. I
have not ordered any further attacks or bombardments. I'm currently musing on a plan
of action there. Reinforce with more un prepped units and hope for better results? Doubt
it. I will bombard it a few times and see if I can raise his disruption a notch or two first,
I think.

You just can't skimp on the prep for atoll invasions. You will get burned almost every time. Especially because your "weight in numbers" was really not there. You had a full division against around 150 AV backed by some tanks and artillery. Even with 100% prep that's going to be a tough fight for a division.

The one thing you really have to avoid doing is a piecemeal reinforcement of Nauru. Each time you land units it will generate a shock attack. So if you land reinforcements it better be a substantial stand alone invasion force.

If it were me, I would not prep more units for Nauru. With time (and supplies if needed) the 31st ID will recover. Since Japan only has a level 4 for there you should have the ability to grind down the defenders at Nauru with pure firepower. In my current game I have a similar situation at Tarawa where I got mirred on the atoll. After weeks of continuous bombardment I have substantially reduced the strength of the Japanese garrison even though I was faced with a level 6 fort.

[witpqs]

So what shape is the division in at Nauru? Are you worried about a series of counter attacks wiping out your guys?

[zuluhour]

not good

[witpqs]

You should have set out to land ~10x that much supply with them. I assume they are the only unit there? Bombard and bomb the IJ garrison. Get some more supplies landed. For goodness sake don't land any more unprepared troops.

[zuluhour]

Pretty bleak on the reinforcement side, only two fully prepped armored Bn s can be sent to Nauru at present. The base force is
almost completely recovered, may help the division? Air strike today was better than most for me and a good sign. Neither side
has engaged each other in any way, both hording supply?
Morning Air attack on 2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment, at 127,128 (Nauru Island)

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12

No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
283 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Also attacking 1st Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 11th Tank Regiment ...
Also attacking 5th Armored Car Co ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Mortar Battalion ...
Also attacking 2nd Ind.Mixed Regiment ...
Also attacking 1st Mortar Battalion ..

** we are at 53AV today

[witpqs]

• Don't land any more unprepared units.
• What base force? You landed a base force? [X(]

[zuluhour]

Yes sir.
Landed the 41st base force with the 31st Division. I try and land support with every landing. If I understand it right, even if I get the two
armor units ashore ok, I will still be forced to shock. I do not relish that scenario so I am trying to reduce/disrupt the garrison. Two
BB TFs are inbound. I am not in a rush per se as the taking of Kavieng is number one priority for the week. The garrison there is currently
facing one division with a HQ, another Inf division, and some armor on the march from Namatanai. Not sure how to proceed at Nauru if the 31st
does not recover quickly.

[witpqs]

Units that land are forced to shock attack. The only time that extends to units already ashore is when an additional part (fragment, parent) of the unit lands.

If the division can defend itself, why land additional unprepared units?

[witpqs]

BTW, you might try dividing the division and see if the net recovery rate is faster.

[witpqs]

But do get more supply ashore! You can land just supply, not required to land troops with it.

[witpqs]

Was that too many replies in a row? Sorry. [:'(]

[zuluhour]

[:D]
I was wondering about landing more supply, do you think if I attach landing craft gun boats they will discharge their
canons in the general direction of the Imperials?

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

[:D]
I was wondering about landing more supply, do you think if I attach landing craft gun boats they will discharge their
canons in the general direction of the Imperials?

Shore guns will certainly shoot at supply deliveries, so having some protection in the TF is a great idea.

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: zuluhour

[:D]
I was wondering about landing more supply, do you think if I attach landing craft gun boats they will discharge their
canons in the general direction of the Imperials?

It has been my experience that if you are not landing troops, the landing craft gun boats do not seem to fire. Maybe others have a different experience.

[zuluhour]

Here s to hope! The resupply TF is loading..