HOI 4 disappointing preview

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: geozero

I think Matrix holds the record on the most expensive games, up there close to $100 bucks.

As for cost... I always use my cost vs. enjoyment factor ratio analysis... it goes like this:

Entertainment is worth approx. $8 per hour (cost of a movie+popcorn, cost of amusement park per hour, etc.) - you can use whatever "factor" you want.

So... a game costing $50 should get you at LEAST 6-7 hours. HOI4 will likely get you closer to 35-50 hours of game time. That's a great bargain.

Hope that helps ease the pain of paying for a solid game. [:D]

You're not considering "that's if the person likes it" not everyone likes Paradox gammes. I can only stomach CKII and EU:Rome as when I feel like a "popcorn and candy" game I'll go to them.

Wargames should be wargames not a mix of popcorn and candy and butter". Matrixgames/Slitherine make wargames, Paradox makes the casual wargamer games with very little thought for accuracy or what really happened. I once saw Japan invade France for goodness sake. Might as well play "Making History I & II" at least you get the turn based version.

You don't see an Angry Joe video when a Matrixgame/Slitherine game comes out, but, you certainly will see the Adolph Hitler videos when the HOI's come out. [:D]

[Rising-Sun]

Yeah the game going to suck for awhile, that why they didn't release it yet. A lot of balance and improvement is needed badly. Just like HoI 3, it was terrible when first came out.

I wouldn't buy this when it comes out, you will regret it. Wait six months to a year when you do, least you wont spend too much money on it at first.

It is easy to make a strategy game without history, when you are making something compare or rewrite the history boards, it is more challenging, more work as well a lot of testing.

[wings7]

ORIGINAL: aaatoysandmore

You're not considering "that's if the person likes it" not everyone likes Paradox gammes. I can only stomach CKII and EU:Rome as when I feel like a "popcorn and candy" game I'll go to them.

Wargames should be wargames not a mix of popcorn and candy and butter". Matrixgames/Slitherine make wargames, Paradox makes the casual wargamer games with very little thought for accuracy or what really happened. I once saw Japan invade France for goodness sake. Might as well play "Making History I & II" at least you get the turn based version.

You don't see an Angry Joe video when a Matrixgame/Slitherine game comes out, but, you certainly will see the Adolph Hitler videos when the HOI's come out. [:D]

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[RyanCrierie]

I'm pretty disappointed that they're trying to simulate EVERY SINGLE HOUR in WW2 again. They could have cut it down to pulses of maybe 3 hours each.

That would help with gameplay speed in the "road to war" scenarios, while retaining the granularity needed for airstrikes and such, or different times of day.

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie

I'm pretty disappointed that they're trying to simulate EVERY SINGLE HOUR in WW2 again. They could have cut it down to pulses of maybe 3 hours each.

That would help with gameplay speed in the "road to war" scenarios, while retaining the granularity needed for airstrikes and such, or different times of day.

All the HOI series game clock's speed can be increased,slowed down,paused,your complaint does not make any sense

[aaatoysandmore]

I can see where he's headed with his idea and it makes sense. [:)]

[Rising-Sun]

ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie

I'm pretty disappointed that they're trying to simulate EVERY SINGLE HOUR in WW2 again. They could have cut it down to pulses of maybe 3 hours each.

That would help with gameplay speed in the "road to war" scenarios, while retaining the granularity needed for airstrikes and such, or different times of day.

You can change the speed, one is very slow to highest around five or six hours per cycle.

[bairdlander2]

I dont see why the complaints from people who have stated they have zero interest in the product,why bitch and moan about a product if you are not going to purchase it?And if you do want changes made to the product,better to post on the Paradox forum.Why post here?What is the point?[8|][8|]Also worth mentioning the OP is from 2014,there have been many changes to HOI4 since then.

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander

I dont see why the complaints from people who have stated they have zero interest in the product,why bitch and moan about a product if you are not going to purchase it?And if you do want changes made to the product,better to post on the Paradox forum.Why post here?What is the point?[8|][8|]Also worth mentioning the OP is from 2014,there have been many changes to HOI4 since then.

Same could be said turning it around. [:'(]

[Reiryc]

Impressive thread necro... most impressive.

I'm looking forward to the game. I enjoy the sandbox type game and even though it says it's a ww2, like most games, it won't turn out like ww2 and I'm fine with that.

I've noticed that as I've gotten older (44 now), I'm less interested in games like witp or wite although I still enjoy them, just not like I did when I was younger. I think it has to do with a general bleh feeling towards computer gaming in general that been coming on...

I used to game every day or near it. Now I'm lucky if I pull up a game once a week. I just don't have the pull to play anything like I used to have.

[wings7]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

Impressive thread necro... most impressive.

I'm looking forward to the game. I enjoy the sandbox type game and even though it says it's a ww2, like most games, it won't turn out like ww2 and I'm fine with that.

I've noticed that as I've gotten older (44 now), I'm less interested in games like witp or wite although I still enjoy them, just not like I did when I was younger. I think it has to do with a general bleh feeling towards computer gaming in general that been coming on...

I used to game every day or near it. Now I'm lucky if I pull up a game once a week. I just don't have the pull to play anything like I used to have.

There is alot of great Sandbox & Open World games on Steam! [:)]
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/browse/#global_1695
http://store.steampowered.com/tag/browse/#global_3810

Patrick

[Reiryc]

Thanks,

I've been looking, but nothing is really grabbing my attention. The one's that do, I either own or own a previous version such as gal civ.

[RyanCrierie]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
All the HOI series game clock's speed can be increased,slowed down,paused,your complaint does not make any sense

Actually, it does.

Back in 2010, I tried playing HOI3 when I got it for $7.50 online. I wanted to like it (I have a soft spot for HOI1 and I did some of the first big tech mods for that game); but...

HOI3 Patch 1.04
Road To War 1936 Scenario
1920x1080 60 Hz
Core 2 Quad Q6600; 8 GB RAM, Geforce 8800 GTS

It takes about 4-5 seconds for each day in January 1936 at the fastest speed possible. By that average, it takes 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) for a 30-day month to pass. That comes out to 1800 seconds (30 minutes) for a year to pass.

1936-1939 is three years. That's 1.5 hours of doing nothing but staring at the screen as the US waiting for war to break out.

If you went from 24 pulses per day to just 5 pulses a day; you'd be able to play 1936-1939 in about 30 minutes, instead of 1.5 hours.

Plus of course, the game does slow down the longer you play it as more units get moved around and the AI is doing more and more; so..

Five pulses a day would mean that a complete 1936-1945 game would take about just about 90-120 minutes to play in total; and because there are multiple strategies possible in WWII; or different nations you can play each time; you'd still get a lot of replay value from the game.

[demyansk]

I could never get into this game with all the popups even though you could control it,

[Ranger33]

ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
All the HOI series game clock's speed can be increased,slowed down,paused,your complaint does not make any sense

Actually, it does.

Back in 2010, I tried playing HOI3 when I got it for $7.50 online. I wanted to like it (I have a soft spot for HOI1 and I did some of the first big tech mods for that game); but...

HOI3 Patch 1.04
Road To War 1936 Scenario
1920x1080 60 Hz
Core 2 Quad Q6600; 8 GB RAM, Geforce 8800 GTS

It takes about 4-5 seconds for each day in January 1936 at the fastest speed possible. By that average, it takes 150 seconds (2.5 minutes) for a 30-day month to pass. That comes out to 1800 seconds (30 minutes) for a year to pass.

1936-1939 is three years. That's 1.5 hours of doing nothing but staring at the screen as the US waiting for war to break out.

If you went from 24 pulses per day to just 5 pulses a day; you'd be able to play 1936-1939 in about 30 minutes, instead of 1.5 hours.

Plus of course, the game does slow down the longer you play it as more units get moved around and the AI is doing more and more; so..

Five pulses a day would mean that a complete 1936-1945 game would take about just about 90-120 minutes to play in total; and because there are multiple strategies possible in WWII; or different nations you can play each time; you'd still get a lot of replay value from the game.

1) You don't have to start in 1936, HOI3 has several starting points. I think almost one for each year from 1939-1944.

2) They also added a tool where you can start in 1939 or whatever and they give you points to spend on units and tech. So you can skip the building up years and still customize what you start with to match what you would have done.


Personally, I'm really looking forward to HOI4. I liked the previous titles, though they weren't quite what I wanted, but 4 looks like it will really scratch that itch. Seems a lot more sand-boxy.

[bairdlander2]

ORIGINAL: RyanCrierie

Actually, it does.



1936-1939 is three years. That's 1.5 hours of doing nothing but staring at the screen as the US waiting for war to break out.

Doing nothing???As the USA 1936 start you make decisions to fix economy,trade,diplomacy,decide what techs to research,chose your production etc etc.I would not call that "doing nothing".

[aaatoysandmore]

ORIGINAL: Reiryc

Impressive thread necro... most impressive.

I'm looking forward to the game. I enjoy the sandbox type game and even though it says it's a ww2, like most games, it won't turn out like ww2 and I'm fine with that.

I've noticed that as I've gotten older (44 now), I'm less interested in games like witp or wite although I still enjoy them, just not like I did when I was younger. I think it has to do with a general bleh feeling towards computer gaming in general that been coming on...

I used to game every day or near it. Now I'm lucky if I pull up a game once a week. I just don't have the pull to play anything like I used to have.

I feel ya bro. Been that way since age 50 now I think. Games just aren't what they used to be. Seems too much of the same ole same ole with a different number beside it. Take HOI even for instance, now they are fixing to release a IV? I've just seen it get worse over every rendition not better. II was a bit better than I I have to admit but, it's still a HOI.

For grand campaign WW2 I need something with a bit more bite and not a lot of fluff. They took away the ability to take away the FOW in the last one so we couldn't really watch how bad the AI really is.

I've gotten away though from grand campaigns anyways and gone to tactical. Those are more fun and don't have to be a real scenario to get into them. X-Com in a WW2 format would be a great idea I think. Get rid of the alien armor and make more realistic powerups and researched items.

Panzer Command: Osfront, Command Ops and Norbsoft's Civil War series is the way to go now (for me). Anytime I feel the blaa's those are the games I pull out now. Though I think I would pull out a new Warlords V if they made it right. ALways did like that one and the combat model for a weekend game.

[wodin]

Many really enjoy the series but it isn't for me. CK2 and EUIV though I really enjoy.

[Jafele]

I own EUIV. Once you start playing it´s difficult to stop, that´s what I want for any game. Paradox have been publishing free megapatches (every 2 or 3 months) and DLCs since 2013 and they will continue for a long time. Is it easy to find out there? NO

[RyanCrierie]

ORIGINAL: bairdlander
Doing nothing???As the USA 1936 start you make decisions to fix economy,trade,diplomacy,decide what techs to research,chose your production etc etc.I would not call that "doing nothing".

That takes all of maybe 3 minutes; then you have to spend time waiting for everything to finish, for new research lines to open up, etc. You really can't do much as the USA c.1936 without some prep time; as opposed to other nations which already have sizable militaries.