Groundhog Day! - No NJP

[Mike McCreery]

October 4, 1944

Hong Kong falls. Unfortunately, 2 days ago the ship repair facility which had been at 17 damage went to 100%. So, it will take a month to get any battleships in for repair and almost 2 months to get the entire facility repaired.

Shaohing has been fortified and I do not expect any more attacks in this area. The airfield has gone to lvl 5 whileNingpo is at lvl 4 and 81%. Ningpo has plenty of engineers and I expect a lvl 9 airfield within 3 weeks. Foochow is at 75% to lvl 9 and all the engineers there can be moved to Ningpo to accelerate construction.

Once Foochow is at lvl 9 I can really bring a lot of force to bear on Formosa. Not sure whether I will capture this island in this game or not. I would really like to get forces north to the plains of China.

[BBfanboy]

What was left of the other industry in HK?

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

What was left of the other industry in HK?

There is about 17 LI left after my bombing. I was not sure that I could take the city so I reduced it to rubble. There is some HI there though, I could look into getting it some oil.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

What was left of the other industry in HK?

There is about 17 LI left after my bombing. I was not sure that I could take the city so I reduced it to rubble. There is some HI there though, I could look into getting it some oil.

This might seem idiotic and I have only a few games under my belt .. that said I invite others to comment ..
but it might be worth fixing the LI .. yes the amount of supply spent will never be recovered given it's 1944
and this game will be over in 1945 some time .. let us say 500 turns from now meaning only 1/2 of the supply spent
will ever be recovered .. BUT .. there is something about supply generating points and the distribution of supply.
The problem with my observations are many .. like what I observed being totally random .. but I have grown
to believe that putting the excess supply (if that exists) to repairing LI late in the game helps with
the distribution of supplies .. like a generating point has some advantage ...

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

What was left of the other industry in HK?

There is about 17 LI left after my bombing. I was not sure that I could take the city so I reduced it to rubble. There is some HI there though, I could look into getting it some oil.

This might seem idiotic and I have only a few games under my belt .. that said I invite others to comment ..
but it might be worth fixing the LI .. yes the amount of supply spent will never be recovered given it's 1944
and this game will be over in 1945 some time .. let us say 500 turns from now meaning only 1/2 of the supply spent
will ever be recovered .. BUT .. there is something about supply generating points and the distribution of supply.
The problem with my observations are many .. like what I observed being totally random .. but I have grown
to believe that putting the excess supply (if that exists) to repairing LI late in the game helps with
the distribution of supplies .. like a generating point has some advantage ...

I am still not really clear on how supply works. When I took over a city with 21 light industry earlier in the game it appeared to generate 210 supply per day.

As for transport in this game I am not overly concerned. The city of Chungking has about 140LI and another city inside the ring has 27 or something. I think I will take this out with B-29's. My plan is to destroy all LI within China as I move along the coast up and around and invade Manchuko with a large ground force.

Taking Chungking back would cause him a huge amount of aggravation but it does not really help me much and causes a nightmare regarding supply. I can save millions of supply by avoiding a siege.

I intend to take the coastal bases and hopefully interdict NJP's forces in Manchuko and leverage the Russian forces to put a massive amount of pressure on Manchuko and Korea.

I may try to win without setting foot on the Japanese mainland.

[Mike McCreery]

The plan - subject to change any moment.

NJP has significant forces along the coast of Indochina and controls central and northern China. Saigon will fall within a week if not tomorrow. NJP still holds Singapore with 40K+ troops and 250AV. My plan is to jump over the forces here to deploy a large force in eastern China in the plains.

As part of the plan, all airdrop troops are being moved from Calcutta to Pegu in transport mode. They then move to Rangoon and get transported to Bangkok. Once at Bangkok they will move by rail to Ubon and then get airdropped into Kwangchowan. From there the air movement will continue to Ningpo where they will be ready to be dropped in interdiction of rail lines.

[Mike McCreery]

Canton has 16 LI left which will be wiped out soon. there is 43 LI total on Formosa. Also on Formosa are at least 132,000 troops, 1220 guns and 600 AFV's.

I think I just want to harass the island and make sure NJP cant do much with it. Once the LI is dead I will bombard as needed to take the airfields down and trash airplanes. If this games goes the same as last game NJP has already abandoned it except for sneak attacks.

[Mike McCreery]

North China - Early October 1944

[Mike McCreery]

See Picture in above post.

Ningpo was a lvl 4 airfield with 81% completion last turn. This turn it is a level 5 airfield with 44% completion. There are 300+ engineers and 100+ engineering vehicles on site. It should go to lvl 9 within weeks.

Nanking will be bombarded this turn. Shanghai can be bombarded at will from the surface combat ships based in Shaohing.

This will should prevent NJP from basing bombers south of Haichow and Tsingtao.

Within 3 weeks I should have 6-8 divisions free plus 8 or more armor units.

The plan is to airdrop troops in blocking positions such as the dot hexes of Pengpu and Kweiteh. I am going to carpet bomb other cities into dust and also occupy them by air. I have already destroyed an entire regiment on the move in an open hex. I dont think the unit was damaged before it began moving.

The next goal is to take Haichow or Tsingtao in force and then move north quickly along the coast. NJP has one or two decent bases in Korea but most of his airforce capacity is more south.

I will also turn my eyes toward Korea and smashing Keijo although I expect that to be costly.

[Mike McCreery]

Saigon will likely fall tomorrow to another direct attack. Saigon's LI is untouched at 41 yet the units are indicating a supply issue which is curious.

[Crackaces]

Saigon will likely fall tomorrow to another direct attack. Saigon's LI is untouched at 41 yet the units are indicating a supply issue which is curious.

I think LI takes fuel and resources to do its thing ...a lack of one of these means no production?

Ok so 1 resource becomes 10 supply ..and thus a quicker return on the 1,000 supply investment ..100 days

That seems very reasonable ...

Its been awhile for me since I have played so the details allude me ... [:'(]

[BBfanboy]

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Saigon will likely fall tomorrow to another direct attack. Saigon's LI is untouched at 41 yet the units are indicating a supply issue which is curious.

I think LI takes fuel and resources to do its thing ...a lack of one of these means no production?

Ok so 1 resource becomes 10 supply ..and thus a quicker return on the 1,000 supply investment ..100 days

That seems very reasonable ...

Its been awhile for me since I have played so the details allude me ... [:'(]

Unfortunately it is the other way around - it takes 15 resource inputs to produce ONE supply per day. That is not to say 15 resource industries, because each will produce 10 resources per day, so 1.5 resource industries produce enough resources for one supply point from one LI factory.

For HI the figures are 20 resource and 20 fuel inputs = 2 supply and 2 HI points per HI factory. The HI points are applied toward building aircraft, ships and weapons, and for the Japanese , pilot training.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Saigon will likely fall tomorrow to another direct attack. Saigon's LI is untouched at 41 yet the units are indicating a supply issue which is curious.

I think LI takes fuel and resources to do its thing ...a lack of one of these means no production?

Ok so 1 resource becomes 10 supply ..and thus a quicker return on the 1,000 supply investment ..100 days

That seems very reasonable ...

Its been awhile for me since I have played so the details allude me ... [:'(]

Unfortunately it is the other way around - it takes 15 resource inputs to produce ONE supply per day. That is not to say 15 resource industries, because each will produce 10 resources per day, so 1.5 resource industries produce enough resources for one supply point from one LI factory.

For HI the figures are 20 resource and 20 fuel inputs = 2 supply and 2 HI points per HI factory. The HI points are applied toward building aircraft, ships and weapons, and for the Japanese , pilot training.

Ok .. that is what I thought (1 LI = 1 Supply per day) .. but Wargamr observed he was getting 10 supply per LI factory per day?

[BBfanboy]

I once saw supply seem to increase by the amount of LI X 10, but have since concluded it must have been outside supply coming in at the same time I was looking for the LI output. The figures I gave above are direct from the manual, which I checked as I drafted the post.

When you have lots of fuel available, it is more efficient use of resources to have HI producing since it is a 1:10 ratio of industry to resource required.
LI ratio is 1:15.

[Mike McCreery]

I am sure BBfanboy is right. There is currently 1566 LI in China, Manchuko & Korea to take down.

The plan is to lunge Northeast toward Manchuko in an effort to re-supply the soviet units as supply is getting extremely low.

To emulate the animosity between the soviets and the allies I am not going to co-mingle ground troops or aircraft and will not conduct any cross nationality air assaults. For example, I have a huge stack of soviet units in Harbin so I am not going to do any allied strategic attacks on that city unless they move out.

If I can get them a big chunk of supply then I think the front will collapse and I may win the game without invading Japan.

While this is going on I intend to land amphibious forces along the coast of Korea, putting pressure on these troops as well.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr


The plan is to lunge Northeast toward Manchuko in an effort to re-supply the soviet units as supply is getting extremely low.

I thought that might be a great weakness/attraction to attacking Soviets early. There is simply not enough Soviet supply...

[Mike McCreery]

The first step of the lunge is Tungchow just north of Shanghai. I brilliantly go in with guns blazing and completely miss the troops. However, I made sure there was nothing left resembling an airfield...

Back to the drawing board on that one.

[Mike McCreery]

NJP managed to kill a few loaded tankers this turn. They are bringing needed fuel to Ningpo. This is the first time he has used Okinawa for attacks.

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Wargmr


The plan is to lunge Northeast toward Manchuko in an effort to re-supply the soviet units as supply is getting extremely low.

I thought that might be a great weakness/attraction to attacking Soviets early. There is simply not enough Soviet supply...

NJP cut me off in March and here we are into October. Time to push in Northern Russia while trying a pincer move.

I think the coast of China is weak enough to allow me to pull this off but time will tell.

[Mike McCreery]

Large ground attacks go in on the Yangtze SNLF at Tungchow and clear out the town. The 2/9th Commando Battalion lands to no resistance.