THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J)

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Terry ...my grammer's been dead for 30 years..RIP.

Why not just bounce some fighters off the CVE or 1 of the carriers? That assumes some air support actually got off-loaded. I wouldn't send transport back in hurry either. You may also be able to ferry troops, base support and supplies to Marcus via DC-3 from Wake...depending on how Wake is doing itself. You can also get some sub supplies in there assuming a level 1 port.
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A single fighter squad on an atoll is mostly useless and just bait.
They are only good at warding off netties.

Any fighter force he brings (meaning KB or even mini-KB) will overwhelm a single squad.
With no bombers the atoll is toothless.

All you get is token CAP and a warm fuzzy feeling that you didn't leave the rock totally undefended in the air.
If the fighter has no where to stage out to when a counter invasion arrives it's just another gift to the enemy.


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Hans is 100% correct if opponent brings full-court press. Mind you it might not be so bad to lose a little bait to know where his big fish are for a few turns...it lets you do other things. If he dicks around a few turns with Nells and Betties they are the bait. I don't know if Wake is near enough to evacuate/stage Wildcats out of if need be...likely not.

It also strikes me that the little Marcus operation might prompt him to move with more dispatch on Wake also. We will soon see. I can't imagine leaving the Allies a set of eyes this deep into kingdom this late.
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pontiouspilot & BBfanboy-

Putting fighters on Marcus Island would be interesting. But, having weighed the pros and cons, I think I have already invested enough in Marcus for now. I am fairly positive that El Lobo will not allow Marcus Island to be in Allied hands. Anything I put on Marcus, will be destroyed.

So, for now, I think the invasion has served its purpose:

As pontiouspilot points out, El Lobo will most likely have to make a major effort to take Marcus back. That's a good thing; let him spend his time, energy, and some resources to back an island that we just walked in and took without any resistance.

Further, I do think El Lobo is nervous about the Allies planning an early invasion of Hokkaido and the Kurile Islands. Accordingly, I suspect that he has diverted Japanese forces to garrison those places. That is also a good thing as they are off the front lines.

However, as my friend witpqs claims, "More predictions to get wrong."

*chuckling*

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Admiral Rio and Colleagues,

This CaptHaggard reporting for duty.

War College: I have gleaned much insight into this game from your remarks and advice.

I am a board-game guy who is on the verge of purchasing this game. About the only period I didn't play simulation battles, beginning with AH's Gettysburg in '59, was when I was actually in the USN '67-'71.

Rio and I have known each other for years. (Come to think of it, I've known Lobo for almost as long.)

Rio and I once cobbled together a table in order to play SPI's seven-map War in the Pacific, and I can say for sure that this game appears to be way easier on a marriage than taking over an entire living room.

After looking in for months, I'm hooked. Until I get up and running, he is graciously permitting me to run his sub ops (as best as I can via the aforementioned maps and email.)

I might mention that El Lobo not only knows of my participation, he welcomes it. That's because he relishes the idea of thrashing me almost as much as Rio.

I trust the gentlemen don't mind if I occasionally pose a question or seek clarification.

For example:

Do "wolfpack" tactics (three or more submarines in one hex) net a commensurate advantage in this game system?

Thank you, and happy to be aboard!

—Hag
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ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

Admiral Rio and Colleagues,

This CaptHaggard reporting for duty.

War College: I have gleaned much insight into this game from your remarks and advice.

I am a board-game guy who is on the verge of purchasing this game. About the only period I didn't play simulation battles, beginning with AH's Gettysburg in '59, was when I was actually in the USN '67-'71.

Rio and I have known each other for years. (Come to think of it, I've known Lobo for almost as long.)

Rio and I once cobbled together a table in order to play SPI's seven-map War in the Pacific, and I can say for sure that this game appears to be way easier on a marriage than taking over an entire living room.

After looking in for months, I'm hooked. Until I get up and running, he is graciously permitting me to run his sub ops (as best as I can via the aforementioned maps and email.)

I might mention that El Lobo not only knows of my participation, he welcomes it. That's because he relishes the idea of thrashing me almost as much as Rio.

I trust the gentlemen don't mind if I occasionally pose a question or seek clarification.

For example:

Do "wolfpack" tactics (three or more submarines in one hex) net a commensurate advantage in this game system?

Thank you, and happy to be aboard!

—Hag

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But for hours played vs. game cost - a very cheap hobby!

To answer your question re: sub ops, the game engine does not calculate any advantage per se for a "wolfpack" , as in saturating the defence of the convoy.
Therefore the games experts will tell you that individual sub patrols mean you can cover twice as many hexes per turn and have twice the number of opportunities as compared to a pack of two subs.

BUT, I am a dissenting opinion because successful attacks depend on detecting the target. What I have seen is that very often when one of the subs in my two-sub pack gets a shot at something, or is just seen and doesn't get a shot, the other sub also gets an even better opportunity. And if the first sub damages something the second sub delivers the coup de grâce.

To make this work the TF commander must have good leadership skills 60+. With individual subs leadership does not matter so much.

If you are left in some confusion about which way to go, get used to it. The game is full of angles that have advantages and disadvantages and it will come down to your preferred style of play. Experiment a lot until you get a feel for what risks you can tolerate and what you will not.

Note that you can (and should) pose your questions in "The War Room" section of this forum rather than someone else's AAR. Members are very helpful but at some point they will expect you to search on the forum for information that has already been posted before asking common questions.

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[center]Combat Report[/center]
[center]for[/center]
[center]August 6, 1942[/center]

Other than the Ground Combat shown below, there wasn't much action today. The Allies send another of El Lobo's Sallys to the great winged-graveyard and damage a Sonia.

Considering the invasion of Marcus Island, I am getting nervous about leaving the American Carriers 120 miles due East of Wake Island. I am seriously contemplating ordering their return to Pearl Harbor tomorrow.


Japanese Ground Forces Get the Best of Chinese Ground Forces Near Kweiyang:

Ground combat at 74,47 (near Kweiyang)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9280 troops, 74 guns, 352 vehicles, Assault Value = 417

Defending force 15240 troops, 43 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 616

Japanese adjusted assault: 273

Allied adjusted defense: 181

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
327 casualties reported

Squads: 1 destroyed, 44 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
1751 casualties reported

Squads: 7 destroyed, 156 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 9 (1 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
7th Tank Regiment
2nd Recon Battalion
10th Tank Regiment
57th Infantry Brigade
2nd Mobile Infantry Regiment

Defending units:
31st Chinese Corps
41st Chinese Corps
84th Chinese Corps
Lusu War Area

Best Regards,

-Terry
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[center]War College Members[/center]
[center]Please Meet Allied Submarine Fleet Commander CaptHaggard[/center]
[center]Dispatch this 6th Day of August, 1942[/center]

Hag will be recommending the disposition and operations for all Allied submarines in the Pacific Theater of War.

Hag is supremely qualified to assume such command. He has been a scholar of World War II and the American Civil War for over sixty years. His knowledge will be extremely valuable to the Allies. Hag is also a tactical genius. I can personally vouch for him as he has personally kicked my ass in numerous WWII and American Civil War strategical war games.

Now then, please bare with me as I tell you a humorous story regarding the first day I met Hag.

It was a beautiful day in June of 1973 on the campus of the University of California at Santa Barbara. I was 21 years old. I had, but a couple days earlier, received an early release from the United States Marine Corps to attend college. The last thing I really wanted was to be stuck in some stuffy classroom listening to the Professor drone on about how America was a War Monger. I was not of the "Hippie" anti-war ilk; I wanted to be at the nude beach just off campus watching the shapely college girls frolicking about.

The Professor moved from trashing the Vietnam War to trashing the internment of the Japanese during World War II. I was half asleep when one of the students objected to the Professor's rendition of the "Internment" and proceeded to give the Professor a lecture regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the "Internment," taking the entire class and the Professor back to 1942 versus the Professor's hindsight of 1973.

I woke up, chuckling, as Hag ripped the Professor into a new Asshole. I laughed even harder when the entire class and the Professor strung-up Hag to sway in the slight breeze coming through an open window. Yet, Hag wasn't done, with his feet swaying and his neck in the noose, he battled them right up until class was over...with the exception of myself whom remained silent, by himself, outnumbered, just one ex sailor against the Professor and his sheep. Hag had taken Political Correctness to a whole new level.

After class, outside under a bright Santa Barbara sun, I approached Hag and asked, "Care to cut class, find a dive bar, and get hammered?" Hag was up for it and that was the beginning of our friendship.

Welcome aboard Commander Hag. Remember the Boisie and get even with our friend El Lobo!

Best Regards,

-Terry







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Any idea why the Long Island didn't launch any dive bombers to trash the two Japanese warships only 120 miles away?

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ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: CaptHaggard

Admiral Rio and Colleagues,

This CaptHaggard reporting for duty.

War College: I have gleaned much insight into this game from your remarks and advice.

I am a board-game guy who is on the verge of purchasing this game. About the only period I didn't play simulation battles, beginning with AH's Gettysburg in '59, was when I was actually in the USN '67-'71.

Rio and I have known each other for years. (Come to think of it, I've known Lobo for almost as long.)

Rio and I once cobbled together a table in order to play SPI's seven-map War in the Pacific, and I can say for sure that this game appears to be way easier on a marriage than taking over an entire living room.

After looking in for months, I'm hooked. Until I get up and running, he is graciously permitting me to run his sub ops (as best as I can via the aforementioned maps and email.)

I might mention that El Lobo not only knows of my participation, he welcomes it. That's because he relishes the idea of thrashing me almost as much as Rio.

I trust the gentlemen don't mind if I occasionally pose a question or seek clarification.

For example:

Do "wolfpack" tactics (three or more submarines in one hex) net a commensurate advantage in this game system?

Thank you, and happy to be aboard!

—Hag

This isnt a game, it is a hobby. You have been warned ;]

Wargmr: I appreciate the heads up!
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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

But for hours played vs. game cost - a very cheap hobby!

To answer your question re: sub ops, the game engine does not calculate any advantage per se for a "wolfpack" , as in saturating the defence of the convoy.
Therefore the games experts will tell you that individual sub patrols mean you can cover twice as many hexes per turn and have twice the number of opportunities as compared to a pack of two subs.

BUT, I am a dissenting opinion because successful attacks depend on detecting the target. What I have seen is that very often when one of the subs in my two-sub pack gets a shot at something, or is just seen and doesn't get a shot, the other sub also gets an even better opportunity. And if the first sub damages something the second sub delivers the coup de grâce.

To make this work the TF commander must have good leadership skills 60+. With individual subs leadership does not matter so much.

If you are left in some confusion about which way to go, get used to it. The game is full of angles that have advantages and disadvantages and it will come down to your preferred style of play. Experiment a lot until you get a feel for what risks you can tolerate and what you will not.

Note that you can (and should) pose your questions in "The War Room" section of this forum rather than someone else's AAR. Members are very helpful but at some point they will expect you to search on the forum for information that has already been posted before asking common questions.

Welcome aboard, Admiral/Field Marshall/Air Marshall Haggard! [:)]

BBfanboy: I appreciate this heads up as well—reporting for my first ship out of boot camp, I learned quickly what was expected when I overstepped—inadvertent or otherwise. Hereafter, I shall comb "The War Room" for information. As for your dissenting opinion, I find that a compelling analysis. Again, than you!

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Almost too many reasons for not flying to be able to guess.
Weather doesn't seem to be the factor.

IIRC LI has a capacity of 16 which means that standard Marine 18 plane squads can operate from it with the capacity number in the orange.

Slightly over capacity, but not enough to shut down flight ops.

Who's doing the searching for the TF? Is the DB squad set with at least 10% to 20% search?

I hove found since the days of playing Uncommon Valor that squads seem to fly more often if they have a percentage of their own squad doing the searching.

Otherwise cruiser FPs in the same TF would be the next best bet.

If the ships were spotted only by land based PBYs the chance of a sortie from eth carrier might be reduced



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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Almost too many reasons for not flying to be able to guess.
Weather doesn't seem to be the factor.

IIRC LI has a capacity of 16 which means that standard Marine 18 plane squads can operate from it with the capacity number in the orange.

Slightly over capacity, but not enough to shut down flight ops.

Who's doing the searching for the TF? Is the DB squad set with at least 10% to 20% search?

I hove found since the days of playing Uncommon Valor that squads seem to fly more often if they have a percentage of their own squad doing the searching.

Otherwise cruiser FPs in the same TF would be the next best bet.

If the ships were spotted only by land based PBYs the chance of a sortie from eth carrier might be reduced

Hans-

The search was conducted by three squadrons from the CLs accompanying the Long Island.

Today, I set twenty percent of Long Island's Dive Bombers on Naval Search.

I ordered the Long Island 80 miles due south, hoping the Japanese War Ships will continue northwest and that the Long Island gets one more chance to sink something.

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ORIGINAL: Rio Bravo

[center]War College Members[/center]
[center]Please Meet Allied Submarine Fleet Commander CaptHaggard[/center]
[center]Dispatch this 6th Day of August, 1942[/center]

Hag will be recommending the disposition and operations for all Allied submarines in the Pacific Theater of War.

Hag is supremely qualified to assume such command. He has been a scholar of World War II and the American Civil War for over sixty years. His knowledge will be extremely valuable to the Allies. Hag is also a tactical genius. I can personally vouch for him as he has personally kicked my ass in numerous WWII and American Civil War strategical war games.

Now then, please bare with me as I tell you a humorous story regarding the first day I met Hag.

It was a beautiful day in June of 1973 on the campus of the University of California at Santa Barbara. I was 21 years old. I had, but a couple days earlier, received an early release from the United States Marine Corps to attend college. The last thing I really wanted was to be stuck in some stuffy classroom listening to the Professor drone on about how America was a War Monger. I was not of the "Hippie" anti-war ilk; I wanted to be at the nude beach just off campus watching the shapely college girls frolicking about.

The Professor moved from trashing the Vietnam War to trashing the internment of the Japanese during World War II. I was half asleep when one of the students objected to the Professor's rendition of the "Internment" and proceeded to give the Professor a lecture regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the "Internment," taking the entire class and the Professor back to 1942 versus the Professor's hindsight of 1973.

I woke up, chuckling, as Hag ripped the Professor into a new Asshole. I laughed even harder when the entire class and the Professor strung-up Hag to sway in the slight breeze coming through an open window. Yet, Hag wasn't done, with his feet swaying and his neck in the noose, he battled them right up until class was over...with the exception of myself whom remained silent, by himself, outnumbered, just one ex sailor against the Professor and his sheep. Hag had taken Political Correctness to a whole new level.

After class, outside under a bright Santa Barbara sun, I approached Hag and asked, "Care to cut class, find a dive bar, and get hammered?" Hag was up for it and that was the beginning of our friendship.

Welcome aboard Commander Hag. Remember the Boisie and get even with our friend El Lobo!

Best Regards,

-Terry


Thank you, Admiral, for a colorful rendition of that fateful day.

Clarification: I never advocated for the internment camps—indeed, a sad mark against our country. I simply called for historical empathy: an acknowledgement that the placid perception of those insulated neighborhoods of Issei had overnight become unhinged. Suddenly they were sinister dens of furtive outsiders. This in no way justified the terrible actions to come, but in some small way made them more understandable.

But—as Rio indicated—no sale.

And now—unless there exists a Strolling Down Memory Lane Room—I suggest we get on with the business at hand...
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[center]Combat Report[/center]
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[center]August 7, 1942[/center]

Tomorrow, December 8, 1942, The Prince of Wales and Repulse along with numerous other Surface Combat ships will head to waters surrounding Diego Garcia to hunt down and destroy Evil Red Sun ship's.

Why?

Well, because that Rat Bastard El Lobo used five Allied transports carrying the 102nd Combat Engineer Battalion as TARGET PRACTICE!


El Lobo's Big Guns Rain Lead on Chinese Ducking in the Forest Near Chungking:

Ground combat at 75,47 (near Chungking)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 93996 troops, 1062 guns, 198 vehicles, Assault Value = 2618

Defending force 40915 troops, 116 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1207

Allied ground losses:
139 casualties reported

Squads: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
40th Division
19th Ind.Mixed Brigade
22nd Division
104th Division
102nd Infantry Regiment
6th Division
52nd Infantry Brigade
39th Division
3rd Division
1st Ching An Tui Brigade
55th Infantry Brigade
51st Infantry Brigade
138th Infantry Regiment
RGC Army
2nd JAAF AF Coy
5th RF Gun Battalion
2nd Mobile Field Artillery Regiment
21st Mortar Battalion
13th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
8th Mountain Gun Regiment
23rd Army
28th Mountain Gun Regiment
1st JAAF AF Coy
2nd RF Gun Battalion
67th JAAF AF Coy

Defending units:
68th Chinese Corps
30th Chinese Corps
74th Chinese Corps
59th Chinese Corps
67th Chinese Corps
65th Chinese Corps
63rd Chinese Corps
48th Chinese Corps
85th Chinese Corps
9th Group Army
1st Group Army
5th Chinese Cavalry Corps
7th Chinese Base Force
29th Group Army
13th Chinese Base Force
16th Group Army
20th Chinese Base Force

Japanese Combat Surface Fleet Decimates Five Allied Transports Near Diego Garcia:


Night Time Surface Combat, near Diego Garcia at 8,62, Range 2,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
CA Tone
CA Chikuma
DD Tanikaze
DD Michishio
DD Fubuki
DD Satsuki

Allied Ships
xAK Stanmore, Shell hits 6, on fire
xAK Ettrickbank, Shell hits 5, heavy fires
xAK Lavington Court, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
xAK Silvermaple, Shell hits 12, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Deslock, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 4, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
1123 casualties reported

Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 82 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 4 (4 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (28 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Low visibility due to Thunderstorms with 21% moonlight (too much moonlight, not enough rain)
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms and 21% moonlight: 2,000 yards
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
Range closes to 7,000 yards...
Range closes to 6,000 yards...
Range closes to 5,000 yards...
Range closes to 4,000 yards...
Range closes to 3,000 yards...
Range closes to 2,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 2,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 2,000 yards
xAK Deslock sunk by CA Chikuma at 2,000 yards
xAK Lavington Court sunk by DD Satsuki at 2,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages xAK Ettrickbank at 2,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages xAK Stanmore at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Ettrickbank at 4,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Stanmore at 4,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages xAK Ettrickbank at 4,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAK Silvermaple at 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages xAK Silvermaple at 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAK Silvermaple at 2,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages xAK Stanmore at 2,000 yards
CA Chikuma engages xAK Silvermaple at 2,000 yards
CA Tone engages xAK Silvermaple at 2,000 yards
DD Satsuki engages xAK Ettrickbank at 2,000 yards
Range increases to 4,000 yards
DD Fubuki engages xAK Silvermaple at 4,000 yards
Allied Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off... (Thank Goodness!)

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It was a beautiful day in June of 1973 on the campus of the University of California at Santa Barbara. I was 21 years old. I had, but a couple days earlier, received an early release from the United States Marine Corps to attend college. The last thing I really wanted was to be stuck in some stuffy classroom listening to the Professor drone on about how America was a War Monger. I was not of the "Hippie" anti-war ilk; I wanted to be at the nude beach just off campus watching the shapely college girls frolicking about.

The Professor moved from trashing the Vietnam War to trashing the internment of the Japanese during World War II. I was half asleep when one of the students objected to the Professor's rendition of the "Internment" and proceeded to give the Professor a lecture regarding the facts and circumstances surrounding the "Internment," taking the entire class and the Professor back to 1942 versus the Professor's hindsight of 1973.

I woke up, chuckling, as Hag ripped the Professor into a new Asshole. I laughed even harder when the entire class and the Professor strung-up Hag to sway in the slight breeze coming through an open window. Yet, Hag wasn't done, with his feet swaying and his neck in the noose, he battled them right up until class was over...with the exception of myself whom remained silent, by himself, outnumbered, just one ex sailor against the Professor and his sheep. Hag had taken Political Correctness to a whole new level.

After class, outside under a bright Santa Barbara sun, I approached Hag and asked, "Care to cut class, find a dive bar, and get hammered?" Hag was up for it and that was the beginning of our friendship.

That is a beautiful story. My Vietnam War class was actually taught by a guy who brought in veterans, so it was actually quite balanced.

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Commander Cody-

Welcome to The War College and thank you for the compliment.

I don't think U.C.S.B. offered a Class on the Vietnam War in 1973. And earlier tonight, I was on the phone with Hag. He said that he thought we were in a U. S. History class.

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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J)

Post by Rio Bravo »

[center]Combat Report[/center]
[center]for[/center]
[center]August 8, 1942[/center]

I am breathing a sigh of relief considering Japanese Warships did not completely decimate the 102nd Combat Engineer Battalion today. Accordingly, the 102nd, or what is left of it, will unload at Diego Garcia. Hopefully, it will eventually build up to full strength?

The Allies are sunbathing on Marcus Island.


Chinese Fight Tough in the Mountains Near Kuming!

Ground combat at 70,45 (near Kunming)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 5292 troops, 52 guns, 202 vehicles, Assault Value = 240

Defending force 9232 troops, 60 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 286

Japanese adjusted assault: 73

Allied adjusted defense: 160

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
118 casualties reported

Squads: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
190 casualties reported

Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
7th Ind.Tank Brigade

Defending units:
24th Chinese Corps
7th Group Army
3rd Group Army
Jingcha War Area
3rd Chinese Base Force

Another Japanese Sally Wishes it Never Would Have Went to China!

Morning Air attack on 14th Chinese Corps, at 77,47 , near Chungking

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 7

Allied aircraft
P-66 Vanguard x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-IIa Sally: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged


No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Ki-21-IIa Sally bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
5th FG/17th FS CAF with P-66 Vanguard (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(3 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 10000.
Raid is overhead

Best Regards,

-Terry
"No one throws me my own guns and tells me to run. No one."

-Bret (James Coburn); The Magnificent Seven
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RE: THE WAR COLLEGE-Rio Bravo (A) v. El Lobo (J)

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[center]The China Situation[/center]
[center]as of August 9, 1942[/center]

El Lobo continues to tighten the noose around Chungking.

The Chinese continue to dig-in and occasionally sneak behind enemy lines in an effort to disrupt logistics.

However, the Chinese can not expect any help from the Allies anytime soon as Operation Land Shark does not jump off until October 15, 1942. It will take a while for the Allies to push through Burma, and longer to breach the Japanese defense in China in route to taking possession of Chungking.

There is good news. The seventh and final U.S. Army Division (41st Infantry Division) earmarked for Operation Land Shark is but a mere five days away from being bought out. Accordingly, it should reach India in ample time to take the railroad from Bombay to Imphal to be ready to act as rear guard for the Americal Division as the Americal Division races through Burma and into China.

The disposition of China air and ground forces are depicted below.

Best Regards,

-Terry

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