Lambs to the slaughter (Lowpe (J) vs Jocke; BillBrown (A)) Finished

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Here you go Obvert. Defenders have been taking over 1,000 losses per day to air assault but there are so many troops there (well over stacking limit if recon is to be believed).

Woah, I don't know what happened there!

[Bullwinkle58]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Here you go Obvert. Defenders have been taking over 1,000 losses per day to air assault but there are so many troops there (well over stacking limit if recon is to be believed).

Woah, I don't know what happened there!

Chinese have HQs. Japan, no HQs. And Forts 1 is still Forts 1.

[witpqs]

Forts 1 is + 10%.

[Lowpe]

I am trying to show small carrier groups to the Allies (in heavily searched areas only), and here we strike a few ships before retreating.

[Lowpe]

I hope to spoil an invasion of Efate (the New Hebrides), but it seems the Allies pull back.

A surface destroyer squadron steams right into Efate, while heavier ships mass to the north. Allied air attacks focus on the northern bigger ships, bouncing a bomb off a heavy cruiser, but hitting a destroyer for about 30 system damage.

LRCAP Zeroes and Rufes flying from an island base exact quite a toll on the attacking planes.

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Chinese have HQs. Japan, no HQs. And Forts 1 is still Forts 1.

I thought of that, but in WITPQS recent fight he had a HQ + bonus. I don't have a HQ malus, nor do the Chinese have a plus.

I am just chalking it up to very bad day for the local commanders....

[Lowpe]

B17s make an appearance in the Pacific. This is the first time a 4E beastie has been spotted away from the west coast.

[Lowpe]

Almost all carriers are undergoing upgrades, or getting new planes, or hiding and awaiting the West Coast Operation.

However, I have a few fast ones I am letting Jocke see...I want him to see a divided KB, prior to their concentration for the West Coast.

I also want him to see the A6M5s on the carriers.

My basic rules for CV operations now are small groups; operate only in heavily land based air searched areas, never ever have detection for more than one day, and don't use in sub infested waters.

Very soon the carriers will be going dark.

[Lowpe]

A little bombardment. Another cruiser forces hits after this, and sweeping destroyers just miss an American DMS task force.

Here is the combat report...

Night Naval bombardment of Luganville at 120,150

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
A-24 Banshee: 3 damaged
A-24 Banshee: 1 destroyed on ground
P-400 Airacobra: 4 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Myoko

Allied ground losses:
164 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 22

E13A1 Jake acting as spotter for CA Myoko
CA Myoko firing at Luganville


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Night Naval bombardment of Luganville at 120,150

Allied aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft losses
P-39D Airacobra: 3 damaged
P-39D Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground
P-400 Airacobra: 9 damaged
P-400 Airacobra: 1 destroyed on ground

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Chikuma

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 4 (3 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 17

CA Maya firing at Luganville
CA Chikuma firing at Luganville

[Lowpe]

Test post. I can't see my recent pictures.

[Lowpe]

I have been heavily patrolling an area around Noumea, figuring Jocke will react with something. Well, the upshot of the missing graphic details how I have heavily patrolled a likely area with Iboats and scored 5 torpedo hits on a CV with two ammo explosions during the night. All Allied planes lost.

Jocke is so upset he can't do the turn.[:(]

The graphic shows what poor search Jocke has up as only 2 Iboats are spotted, the attacker and one other to the north.

60% moonlight.



I wonder what is up? I tried a different operating system, and still can't see my pictures. Logged in, logged out, reset the computer. Hmmm.

[Lowpe]

The combat report...I have pictures.[:D]

Sub attack near Mare' at 118,160

Japanese Ships
SS I-160

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego
CLAA Juneau
DD McCall
DD Helm
DD Clark
DD Selfridge
DD Lang
DD Wilson

SS I-160 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Yorktown
DD Clark fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Selfridge fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Lang fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Wilson fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Selfridge fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Selfridge fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Selfridge attacking submerged sub ....
DD Selfridge cannot establish contact with SS I-160
DD Selfridge fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Sub attack near Mare' at 118,160

Japanese Ships
SS I-160

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CLAA San Diego
CLAA Juneau
CLAA Atlanta
DD McCall
DD Helm
DD Clark
DD Selfridge
DD Lang
DD Wilson

Ammo storage explosion on CV Yorktown
Ammo storage explosion on CV Yorktown
SS I-160 launches 6 torpedoes at CV Yorktown
DD Clark fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Selfridge fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Lang fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Wilson fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

[Lowpe]

computer problems. argh.

Ok, I see the graphic bug is hitting other posters too.

Feel better now. If only Jocke would feel better.[:)]

[ny59giants]

KUDOS on sinking Yorktown!! [&o][&o]

I truly fear Jap subs in'42 and early '43 than KB. I've lost more CVs and BBs to subs than KB's planes over my playing career during those first 18 months. One of these days I'll play Allies with working TT from the beginning. It would have to be one of the new mods being developed with lots and lots of ships in play.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Almost all carriers are undergoing upgrades, or getting new planes, or hiding and awaiting the West Coast Operation.

However, I have a few fast ones I am letting Jocke see...I want him to see a divided KB, prior to their concentration for the West Coast.

I also want him to see the A6M5s on the carriers.

My basic rules for CV operations now are small groups; operate only in heavily land based air searched areas, never ever have detection for more than one day, and don't use in sub infested waters.

Very soon the carriers will be going dark.

Not easy to pull off but potentially great return if you can.

I presume that eventually you are going to reposition these "maskirovka" bait carriers to support the WC operation. If so you might want to leave their air groups in SoPac on land bases showing them to be operating whilst you reposition the carriers at flank. The air groups can generally move faster than the carriers.

Showing the "orphaned" carriers may involve them on ASW operations in SoPac if your opponent floods the area with subs. Or alternatively you could try some Sweeps or Recon missions with them. Depends on which suitable land airfields you have for this maskirovka.

Alfred

[Lokasenna]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Chinese have HQs. Japan, no HQs. And Forts 1 is still Forts 1.

I thought of that, but in WITPQS recent fight he had a HQ + bonus. I don't have a HQ malus, nor do the Chinese have a plus.

I am just chalking it up to very bad day for the local commanders....

Just because a + or - is not showing up does not mean you do not have factors affecting your adjusted AV. The fact that it's adjusted AV means that there are always factors...

Just because you don't see a disruption(-), for example, doesn't mean that you aren't suffering some penalty for having some disruption.

This attack looks like partial bad roll to me, and partially that there are some underlying factors that made you vulnerable to a bad roll ruining your attack (poor: morale, leaders, supply, disruption, fatigue).

[Lokasenna]

I wouldn't say that only seeing 2 subs during the night phase is "poor search", particularly for the Allies at this point in the war.

[Alfred]

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Chinese have HQs. Japan, no HQs. And Forts 1 is still Forts 1.

I thought of that, but in WITPQS recent fight he had a HQ + bonus. I don't have a HQ malus, nor do the Chinese have a plus.

I am just chalking it up to very bad day for the local commanders....

Just because a + or - is not showing up does not mean you do not have factors affecting your adjusted AV. The fact that it's adjusted AV means that there are always factors...

Just because you don't see a disruption(-), for example, doesn't mean that you aren't suffering some penalty for having some disruption.

This attack looks like partial bad roll to me, and partially that there are some underlying factors that made you vulnerable to a bad roll ruining your attack (poor: morale, leaders, supply, disruption, fatigue).

Just to add some nuance to Likasenna's point.

When a CR discloses a malus [eg (-) disruption] or even a bonus [eg (+) leader] it simply means that the check has been passed or failed. It is possible for one unit in the stack to pass the check and another unit in the same stack to fail the exact same check. When that happens you see both (+) and (-).

However, irrespective of the check outcome, those factors are taken into account anyway in the fire phase of the combat. IOW, the disruption level in a unit may not result in a (+) or (-) check notification but what ever is the units disruption level, that disruption level is fed into the fire phase of the combat algorithm.

Alfred

[obvert]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

ORIGINAL: Lokasenna

ORIGINAL: Lowpe




I thought of that, but in WITPQS recent fight he had a HQ + bonus. I don't have a HQ malus, nor do the Chinese have a plus.

I am just chalking it up to very bad day for the local commanders....

Just because a + or - is not showing up does not mean you do not have factors affecting your adjusted AV. The fact that it's adjusted AV means that there are always factors...

Just because you don't see a disruption(-), for example, doesn't mean that you aren't suffering some penalty for having some disruption.

This attack looks like partial bad roll to me, and partially that there are some underlying factors that made you vulnerable to a bad roll ruining your attack (poor: morale, leaders, supply, disruption, fatigue).

Just to add some nuance to Likasenna's point.

When a CR discloses a malus [eg (-) disruption] or even a bonus [eg (+) leader] it simply means that the check has been passed or failed. It is possible for one unit in the stack to pass the check and another unit in the same stack to fail the exact same check. When that happens you see both (+) and (-).

However, irrespective of the check outcome, those factors are taken into account anyway in the fire phase of the combat. IOW, the disruption level in a unit may not result in a (+) or (-) check notification but what ever is the units disruption level, that disruption level is fed into the fire phase of the combat algorithm.

Alfred

Looking at your results at Sian I'd say this is to be expected. He's got a lot of troops there, and irrespective of his losses to air strikes and potential overstacking, with the HQs present and 1 fort, with you having only 1:2 ratio in pre-combat AV, I'd think they had a pretty good chance to hold with this kind of a result. I'd guess the dice roll was not a factor other than in making this perhaps a worse result in terms of losses. I have a hard time thinking any roll caused your attack to fail, and that with those forces your best hope would be a 1:2 with somewhat equal losses.

Is the Chinese Expeditinoary Army HQ in range? Any other Army HQs on the way? I forget what the SL is for Sian, and I don't have the game available right now so can't check. Is it around 95k?

Attacking Chinese troops I don't usually want to be in a position where the pre-combat AV is less than a 1:1, or 2:1 in a x3 defensive hex. Even if your quality can theoretically push through, there are too many times when it won't and that can set you back a lot. GJ had this issue at Sian in our game (although we may never know the ultimate result since the game is suspended).

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Showing the "orphaned" carriers may involve them on ASW operations in SoPac if your opponent floods the area with subs. Or alternatively you could try some Sweeps or Recon missions with them. Depends on which suitable land airfields you have for this maskirovka.

Alfred

I am not sure that Jocke is paying enough attention to the replay for this work reliably. He has missed it in the recent past, and I do know he watches the replay on very fast speed and sometimes simply skips watching it.

Here is the attack from two days ago: small air group, updated planes.

Morning Air attack on TF, near Hoorn Islands at 137,155

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5 Zero x 16
D3A2 Val x 25

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
xAKL Mapele, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
APD Waters, Bomb hits 7, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x D3A2 Val releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
4 x D3A2 Val releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb
8 x D3A2 Val releasing from 1000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring APD Waters
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAKL Mapele
Massive explosion on xAKL Mapele