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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Drakanel

Congratulations! That went well. With Naha in your hands, things improve for the other bases you have to conquer as well. Once you repair Naha, that is [:D]

What in the world do you mean?[&:]

It was a very bloody fight, with lots of lcu VP awarded to Japan (will you surpass 2-1 in VP?). Now, however, we will have to see what the Allies can do with the base in their hands.
Little electron band-aids only... [:D]

I can't/didn't track it exactly but after eliminating the remaining >50,000 Imperial troops there I am sure the VP ratio will be well over 2 to 1.

Naha will be the only base in the Okinawa campaign that can handle a fully loaded B-29. It will be a busy place. There are two islands to the west, Ishigaki and the one just east of it, that can build to size 7 and also handle fully loaded B-29 that are the next closest. All bases in the Okinawa campaign can handle fully loaded B-24 types and less.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

The BB fires started in the morning strike were all out in the afternoon strike. I estimate system damage in the 35-45 range, some minor float and engineering damage. The major port helped them a lot.
Yeah, that stood out to me too. Tough old birds! I figure (hope) that so many 500 pounders must have done enough system damage to make them smoking messes.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: Drakanel

Congratulations! That went well. With Naha in your hands, things improve for the other bases you have to conquer as well. Once you repair Naha, that is [:D]

Those troops could be all dead before reaching Nago actually, if you factor in other land assaults, bombardments and such... Nago will take some time though. I think you said before that you'll not march the troops from Naha to Nago, right?

Good progress in China also, and the port strikes went very well. Still, all those bombs on the two battleships are 500 lbs ones. Most likely they all bounced off and just started fires / did system damage. I wonder how really damaged they are... And what can they still do. Are they even capable of attempting to flee?
Already have 4x fighter squadrons at Tokunoshima. Once Naha is repaired the fighters assigned there plus at Daito Shoto will make a pretty nice umbrella over the area.

I'm surprised that so many ships at Singapore are sitting still. The times the IJN tested the blockade showed how solid it is, even just the aerial component, so maybe that's why? Or just that all the ships there are badly damaged?

China is going very well. River-crossing shock attack into Liuchow next turn, but we won't see that until at least Monday. Liuchow will make it easier to supply the army that invests Canton, especially after the road east of Liuchow is cleared. Canton will be toughest nut so far, with Urban-Heavy terrain. Pakhoi airfield is almost size 9, so we will be able to use the 2EB on Canton once the attacks begin. They are presently getting mauled over Liuchow, though.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe
ORIGINAL: Drakanel

Congratulations! That went well. With Naha in your hands, things improve for the other bases you have to conquer as well. Once you repair Naha, that is [:D]

What in the world do you mean?[&:]

It was a very bloody fight, with lots of lcu VP awarded to Japan (will you surpass 2-1 in VP?). Now, however, we will have to see what the Allies can do with the base in their hands.
Little electron band-aids only... [:D]

I can't/didn't track it exactly but after eliminating the remaining >50,000 Imperial troops there I am sure the VP ratio will be well over 2 to 1.

Naha will be the only base in the Okinawa campaign that can handle a fully loaded B-29. It will be a busy place. There are two islands to the west, Ishigaki and the one just east of it, that can build to size 7 and also handle fully loaded B-29 that are the next closest. All bases in the Okinawa campaign can handle fully loaded B-24 types and less.
OK, this is partial because it does not include:
- ground losses to aerial bombardments
- air losses in aerial bombardments
- ground losses due to naval bombardments
- ground losses during landings
- ship losses

What does it include? Ground losses during ground battles (bombardments and assaults). The Allied ground losses during the two Imperial aerial assault periods were substantial, but nowhere near as great as during ground battles. The Imperial ground losses during Allied naval bombardments were were very substantial and might rival or exceed Imperial losses during ground combat.
Battle Number: 051267 Date: 1944-10-16
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 29891 troops, 255 guns, 35 vehicles, Assault Value = 1008

Defending force 85416 troops, 1255 guns, 1891 vehicles, Assault Value = 2762

Japanese ground losses:
78 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (5 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 5 (4 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
35th Division
2nd Tank Regiment
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
75th Infantry Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
31st JAAF AF Bn
80th Field AA Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
32nd Army
79th Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
Okinawa Naval Base Force
81st Field AA Battalion
244th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
766th Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Engr Grp
2nd Marine Division
41st Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
710th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
Sixth US Army
1st USMC AA Battalion



Battle Number: 051358 Date: 1944-10-17
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17728 troops, 158 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 1000

Defending force 86876 troops, 1256 guns, 2125 vehicles, Assault Value = 2899

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
17 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (6 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
75th Infantry Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
35th Division
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
32nd Army
31st JAAF AF Bn
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
80th Field AA Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
Okinawa Naval Base Force
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
79th Field AA Battalion
244th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
710th Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
194th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
767th Tank Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
1st USMC AA Battalion



Battle Number: 051395 Date: 1944-10-18
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17708 troops, 158 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 1008

Defending force 87061 troops, 1255 guns, 2122 vehicles, Assault Value = 2900

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 14 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 7 (3 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
35th Division
75th Infantry Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
79th Field AA Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
80th Field AA Battalion
Okinawa Naval Base Force
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
32nd Army
31st JAAF AF Bn
244th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
6th Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
41st Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
767th Tank Battalion
Sixth US Army
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
XIV US Corps
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion



Battle Number: 051464 Date: 1944-10-19
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17753 troops, 158 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 1016

Defending force 87064 troops, 1253 guns, 2121 vehicles, Assault Value = 2888

Japanese ground losses:
157 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
146 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (2 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
35th Division
75th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
31st JAAF AF Bn
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
Okinawa Naval Base Force
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
79th Field AA Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
80th Field AA Battalion
32nd Army
244th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
6th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
1st USMC AA Battalion



Battle Number: 051526 Date: 1944-10-20
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 17677 troops, 158 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 1014

Defending force 86749 troops, 1246 guns, 2116 vehicles, Assault Value = 2863

Japanese ground losses:
237 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (4 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Assaulting units:
35th Division
75th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
80th Field AA Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
81st Field AA Battalion
79th Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
32nd Army
31st JAAF AF Bn
Okinawa Naval Base Force
244th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
41st Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
766th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
40th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
193rd Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
Sixth US Army
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
XIV US Corps
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
1st USMC AA Battalion



Battle Number: 052748 Date: 1944-11-07
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 78156 troops, 1248 guns, 1855 vehicles, Assault Value = 2772

Defending force 42581 troops, 499 guns, 174 vehicles, Assault Value = 1012

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 3203

Japanese adjusted defense: 4963

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: HQ(+)

Japanese ground losses:
1202 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 69 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 33 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 53 (3 destroyed, 50 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7739 casualties reported
Squads: 322 destroyed, 420 disabled
Non Combat: 65 destroyed, 87 disabled
Engineers: 37 destroyed, 25 disabled
Guns lost 162 (74 destroyed, 88 disabled)
Vehicles lost 209 (110 destroyed, 99 disabled)

Assaulting units:
43rd Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
40th Infantry Division
710th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
41st Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
Sixth US Army
XIV US Corps
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
35th Division
75th Infantry Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
31st JAAF AF Bn
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
80th Field AA Battalion
Okinawa Naval Base Force
79th Field AA Battalion
32nd Army
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
81st Field AA Battalion
244th JAAF AF Bn



Battle Number: 053136 Date: 1944-11-12
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 73115 troops, 1201 guns, 1816 vehicles, Assault Value = 2289

Defending force 38832 troops, 467 guns, 171 vehicles, Assault Value = 840

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 3448

Japanese adjusted defense: 2065

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 4

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2287 casualties reported
Squads: 8 destroyed, 246 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 22 disabled
Guns lost 58 (16 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 43 (22 destroyed, 21 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
4524 casualties reported
Squads: 158 destroyed, 219 disabled
Non Combat: 42 destroyed, 52 disabled
Engineers: 22 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 65 (14 destroyed, 51 disabled)
Vehicles lost 140 (73 destroyed, 67 disabled)

Assaulting units:
6th Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
41st Infantry Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
25th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
40th Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
Sixth US Army
XIV US Corps
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
75th Infantry Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
35th Division
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
31st JAAF AF Bn
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
Okinawa Naval Base Force
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
79th Field AA Battalion
80th Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
32nd Army
81st Field AA Battalion
244th JAAF AF Bn



Battle Number: 053556 Date: 1944-11-18
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 51366 troops, 881 guns, 1587 vehicles, Assault Value = 2118

Defending force 36746 troops, 438 guns, 153 vehicles, Assault Value = 695

Allied adjusted assault: 2181

Japanese adjusted defense: 2671

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1742 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 46 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 46 (15 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (2 destroyed, 15 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2409 casualties reported
Squads: 74 destroyed, 126 disabled
Non Combat: 34 destroyed, 28 disabled
Engineers: 12 destroyed, 18 disabled
Guns lost 45 (14 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Vehicles lost 88 (41 destroyed, 47 disabled)

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
716th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
710th Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
40th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
35th Division
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
75th Infantry Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
79th Field AA Battalion
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
81st Field AA Battalion
31st JAAF AF Bn
32nd Army
Okinawa Naval Base Force
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
244th JAAF AF Bn



Battle Number: 053835 Date: 1944-11-22
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 70581 troops, 1194 guns, 1793 vehicles, Assault Value = 2023

Defending force 33569 troops, 413 guns, 146 vehicles, Assault Value = 524

Allied adjusted assault: 3130

Japanese adjusted defense: 881

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-)
Attacker: HQ(+)

Japanese ground losses:
2179 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 87 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 26 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 53 (16 destroyed, 37 disabled)
Vehicles lost 27 (2 destroyed, 25 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
1891 casualties reported
Squads: 54 destroyed, 96 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 27 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 37 disabled
Guns lost 29 (16 destroyed, 13 disabled)
Vehicles lost 58 (38 destroyed, 20 disabled)

Assaulting units:
XIV Corps Engr Grp
25th Infantry Division
43rd Infantry Division
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
41st Infantry Division
2nd Marine Division
767th Tank Battalion
XIV US Corps
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
35th Division
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
75th Infantry Brigade
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
79th Field AA Battalion
81st Field AA Battalion
39th Field AA Machinecannon Company
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
32nd Army
Okinawa Naval Base Force
31st JAAF AF Bn
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
244th JAAF AF Bn



Battle Number: 054057 Date: 1944-11-25
Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 69901 troops, 1184 guns, 1784 vehicles, Assault Value = 1939

Defending force 29413 troops, 381 guns, 130 vehicles, Assault Value = 334

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 3375

Japanese adjusted defense: 471

Allied assault odds: 7 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied forces CAPTURE Naha !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2121 casualties reported
Squads: 108 destroyed, 78 disabled
Non Combat: 78 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 61 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 98 (80 destroyed, 18 disabled)
Vehicles lost 84 (84 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
1106 casualties reported
Squads: 23 destroyed, 29 disabled
Non Combat: 10 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 15 disabled
Guns lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)
Vehicles lost 92 (36 destroyed, 56 disabled)

Assaulting units:
1st USMC Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
43rd Infantry Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
6th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
25th Infantry Division
766th Tank Battalion
2nd Marine Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
41st Infantry Division
193rd Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
XIV US Corps
Sixth US Army
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion

Defending units:
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Tank Regiment
35th Division
75th Infantry Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
Okinawa Naval Base Force
31st JAAF AF Bn
3rd Medium Mortar Battalion
100th Ind.Hvy.Art Battalion
32nd Army
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
244th JAAF AF Bn




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RE: 1944 November 25

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That it is about 450 LCU Points for the Japanese against less than 100 for the Allies. On the other hand side the base itself is worth 990 in the current state and another 990 when fully build. Even without destroying the rest of the troops the ratio is hence about 4:1. Probably more important is the value of the base for the coming strategic bombing campaign (and Lowpe can testify to how many points that can yield).

But maybe that is the wrong discussion to have: In late 44 the Allies have all the tools to fight battles to good VP ratios, but given their limited resources and time they can only fight so many of them. So from an economics point of view oportunity cost might be the measure to look at. Would a different campaign (using the same ressources) have given a better VP ratio (short/middle/long term)???
ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Now, however, we will have to see what the Allies can do with the base in their hands.

Exactly. For the time beeing witpqs has secured an important stepping stone in the overall strategic approach he commited himself to. Congratulations for that.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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I think your math is off on the lcu vp calculation (unless I am reading the chart wrong):

Ground Units Destroyed:
»» Allied ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or guns):
»» Philippine and Chinese: 1 VP for every 12 items destroyed
»» Soviet: 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed
»» All Other Allied: 1 VP for every 3 items destroyed
»» Japanese ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or
guns): 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed
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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I think your math is off on the lcu vp calculation (unless I am reading the chart wrong):

Ground Units Destroyed:
»» Allied ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or guns):
»» Philippine and Chinese: 1 VP for every 12 items destroyed
»» Soviet: 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed
»» All Other Allied: 1 VP for every 3 items destroyed
»» Japanese ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or
guns): 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed

I used those numbers from the manual so I think you are reading the chart wrong. You must be careful, because only destroyed devices count which are in the second column for squads (including non combat and engineers) and in the third column for guns and vehicles. So you need to shift a column half way down when adding the destroyed devices.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

I think your math is off on the lcu vp calculation (unless I am reading the chart wrong):

Ground Units Destroyed:
»» Allied ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or guns):
»» Philippine and Chinese: 1 VP for every 12 items destroyed
»» Soviet: 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed
»» All Other Allied: 1 VP for every 3 items destroyed
»» Japanese ground unit items (squads, vehicles, or
guns): 1 VP for every 6 items destroyed
That's a better ratio than I thought (I was channeling Mandrake and didn't look it up). I thought the ratio of Other Allied to Japanese was 4 to 1, but it's only 2 to 1 (6 points to 3 points).

Also - do disabled devices count for any VP at all? If not, that's better for me, as all the IJ devices will be destroyed but many fewer of mine remaining will be destroyed. Which BTW is another important reason to keep them from getting to the x3 terrain at Nago.

The above tallies, for destroyed devices only, yield 133 VP against the Japanese, 618 VP against the Allies. But only about 1/11 (going by starting and current troop tallies) of the Japanese contingent has yet been destroyed. Possibly 133 x 11 = 1,463 against the Japanese eventually.

The more I can keep away from Nago, the less costly it will be to land that fish. I still don't have tallies for landings, aerial, and naval bombardments, but looking at the Okinawa operation as a whole is even better. Aside from having the objectives for use, Daito Shoto was better for us than Naha, and Tokunoshima the same.

Here is Daito Shoto. Major problem: the numbers from the final destruction of units are not available ("Wiped out", "surrounded", etc.).

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RE: 1944 November 25

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Here is the tally for Tokunoshima. The same limitations apply: no air or naval bombardment data, and no unit final destrutction tallies.

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RE: 1944 November 25

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Also - do disabled devices count for any VP at all? No

Here is Daito Shoto. Major problem: the numbers from the final destruction of units are not available ("Wiped out", "surrounded", etc.).

Depending on the game Version you are using that part might be buggy and those VPs are (partially) not counted. See here for details: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3740018. It has been fixed in the beta since 26/09/2015

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RE: 1944 November 25

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

Also - do disabled devices count for any VP at all? No

Here is Daito Shoto. Major problem: the numbers from the final destruction of units are not available ("Wiped out", "surrounded", etc.).

Depending on the game Version you are using that part might be buggy and those VPs are (partially) not counted. See here for details: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3740018. It has been fixed in the beta since 26/09/2015

Hmm. We might need to update.
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RE: 1944 November 25

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Checking the Tracker VP data versus the destruction of the two units on Tokunoshima is doesn't look like all the LCU Points came through. November 20th was the last battle, 1 unit destroyed and the other wiped out after combat. It looks like only the points for the devices destroyed in the battle (aka in the combat report) were counted.

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1944 November 26

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1944 November 26

The Empire captured:


The Allies captured:


There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:


There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Siberoet

Imperial Naval Bombardments


Allied Naval Bombardments:
Allied Ships Bombarding enemy troops at Naha
Allied Ships Bombarding enemy troops at Naha
Allied Ships Bombarding enemy troops at Naha
Allied Ships Bombarding enemy troops at Naha


Our subs engaged the IJN destroyers that tried for our carriers.

A good result at Liuchow.
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Ground combat at 69,52 (near Lao Cai)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6279 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 178

Defending force 2766 troops, 19 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 51

Allied adjusted assault: 84

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 84 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
86th Chinese Corps

Defending units:
104th/B Division


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Ground combat at Samah (69,63)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 6004 troops, 42 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 246

Defending force 4151 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5

Allied adjusted assault: 123

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 17 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
132 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 20 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
475th USA Regiment
Lushai Brigade

Defending units:
2nd Fleet
Kainan Naval Base Force


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Japanese Unit(s) surrounded at Samah
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Ground combat at Liuchow (74,55)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 67765 troops, 710 guns, 354 vehicles, Assault Value = 1890

Defending force 36732 troops, 399 guns, 254 vehicles, Assault Value = 868

Allied adjusted assault: 1452

Japanese adjusted defense: 691

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-)
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2905 casualties reported
Squads: 48 destroyed, 64 disabled
Non Combat: 68 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 30 disabled
Guns lost 35 (8 destroyed, 27 disabled)
Vehicles lost 41 (6 destroyed, 35 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
2655 casualties reported
Squads: 63 destroyed, 274 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 48 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 19 disabled
Guns lost 46 (4 destroyed, 42 disabled)
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

Assaulting units:
23rd Australian Brigade
22nd Australian Brigade
27th Australian Brigade
36th Chinese Division
88th Chinese Division
2/5th Armoured Regiment
3rd New Chinese Corps
4th Armoured Brigade
8th New Chinese Corps
96th Chinese Division
9th Australian Division
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
67th Ind.Infantry Battalion
25th Division
26th Engineer Regiment
20th Ind Engineer Regiment
17th/A Division
24th/A Division
34th/B Division
110th/C Division
12th Medium Field Artillery Regiment
61st Infantry Brigade
6th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
9th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
1st Army
4th RF Gun Battalion
10th Ind. Field Artillery Battalion
86th Field AA Battalion
4th Ind.Hvy.Art. Battalion
3rd South Seas Det.


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The troops have disruption mostly above 50% so like two days rest or even more will be needed. The artillery is doing just fine and will bombard in the meantime. Due to air groups on ground attack following their targets we have Intel that a number of units that were at Liuchow are now at and around Kukong, so DAW HQ is redeploying those assets to form another line of defense. Pakhoi airfield is now size 9. Many engineers are already moving to Wuchow, which might be needed to cover the troops when they besiege Canton. It will be interesting to see how long that takes. Most of the assigned artillery is about three weeks march from Canton, going through Wuchow.

Zombie eradication continues on Malaya.
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Ground combat at 51,76 (near Kota Bharu)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 2309 troops, 10 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 90

Defending force 1265 troops, 0 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 13

Allied adjusted assault: 73

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 5 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), leaders(+), fatigue(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
189 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 13 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 7 disabled
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
BFF Brigade

Defending units:
20th Engineer Regiment
5th Field Construction Battalion


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The IJN reacted to the heavy strikes on Singapore, but there were still plenty of ships in port.
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Sub attack near Tandjoengpinang at 51,86

Japanese Ships
BB Yamato, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
E No.26

Allied Ships
SS Golet, hits 4

SS Golet launches 6 torpedoes at BB Yamato
Golet bottoming out ....
E No.26 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.26 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.26 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.26 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E No.26 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tandjoengpinang at 50,85

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna, Bomb hits 1
E No.26

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Naval Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 31

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 8 damaged

Japanese Ships
AKV Rizan Maru, Bomb hits 2, on fire
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 10, heavy fires, heavy damage
AKV Rozan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AG Irako, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AV Sagara Maru, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires
xAK Kyokuzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kikuryu Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AG Seisho Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Suzunami, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
AD Juko Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
PB Fuji Maru #4, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
4 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Magazine explodes on DD Suzunami


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Morning Air attack on Bengkalis , at 48,82

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 45 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
Vengeance I x 16

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
ACM Kyo Maru #1, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk

Port hits 5
Port fuel hits 5
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x Vengeance I releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb, 2 x 250 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 65 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 8

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
AKV Rozan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AG Irako, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Fuji Maru #4, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kikuryu Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Kiko Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AKV Rizan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK Kyokuzan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Port hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24D1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb
3 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 21

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
AD Juko Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Abukuma, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
AKV Rozan Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Choko Maru #2, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
PB Tokotsu Maru, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAKL Bokuyo Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AKV Rizan Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Japanese ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Port hits 8
Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
8 x B-24J Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

Magazine explodes on CL Abukuma


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Morning Air attack on Singapore , at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-24D Liberator x 3

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
xAK Kikuryu Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage
AV Sagara Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 5 x 500 lb GP Bomb



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Singapore at 50,84

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBF-1 Avenger x 20

Allied aircraft losses
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
ACM Wa 10, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
ACM Takasago Maru, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

Massive explosion on ACM Wa 10
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring ACM Takasago Maru


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tandjoengpinang at 50,85

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 3,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Beaufighter VIc x 12

Allied aircraft losses
Beaufighter VIc: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
E No.3, Shell hits 5, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Haruna

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Beaufighter VIc bombing from 100 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 lb SAP Bomb



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Recon only shows 6 ships in port at Singapore, and search locates none at sea save 3 to 5 PB at Palembang. The 4EB are switching to ground attack at Singapore and begin the softening up process. Paras have waded ashore at Siberoet and will begin their assault tomorrow. Recon shows 31 ships in port at Cocos Islands: the British carriers will leave Colombo in three days to strike.

Good progress at Naha.
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Ground combat at Naha (95,66)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 29600 troops, 514 guns, 1258 vehicles, Assault Value = 1859

Defending force 25537 troops, 229 guns, 47 vehicles, Assault Value = 189

Allied adjusted assault: 1966

Japanese adjusted defense: 115

Allied assault odds: 17 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4738 casualties reported
Squads: 137 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 96 destroyed, 37 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Guns lost 32 (23 destroyed, 9 disabled)
Vehicles lost 12 (11 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
439 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 6 disabled
Vehicles lost 29 (15 destroyed, 14 disabled)

Assaulting units:
2nd Marine Division
25th Infantry Division
1st USMC Tank Battalion
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
766th Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
3rd Arm Amphib Battalion
716th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
194th Tank Battalion
40th Infantry Division
6th Infantry Division
41st Infantry Division
XIV Corps Engr Grp
43rd Infantry Division
767th Tank Battalion
16th Base Maint Engr Bn /1
2nd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
XIV US Corps
12th Port Advn Base Force /1
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
3rd AmphTrac Engineer Battalion
Sixth US Army
21st Port Advn Base Force /1

Defending units:
35th Division
15th Ind.Mixed Regiment
2nd Tank Regiment
34th Ind.Mixed Brigade
75th Infantry Brigade
Det. 3rd Special Base Force
Nansei Shoto JNAF Base Force
32nd Army
Okinawa Naval Base Force
244th JAAF AF Bn


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2nd Tank Regiment Wiped Out at Naha by attrition!!!
Det. 3rd Special Base Force Wiped Out at Naha by attrition!!!
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One armored unit, the engineers, and the two divisions that attacked today will stand down. The other four divisions will join the attack, so we should be able to really take a bite out of the retreating Imperial forces tomorrow. Base forces are partly ashore but the port is 100% damaged so this might take a few days. The runways are fully repaired and the airfield services are 76% damaged. Allied personnel cleared 70 damage percentage yesterday, clearing the runways and beginning work on the services, so it looks like 3 more days to full operations. Dozens of mines were cleared from the harbor today as well and more remain.

The IJN sent a potent destroyer force straight at our carriers near Tokunoshima.
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ASW attack near Kuroshima at 99,61

Japanese Ships
DD Kazegumo
DD Tamanami
DD Taekaze
DD Sawakaze
DD Hamakaze
DD Amatsukaze

Allied Ships
SS Tang

SS Tang launches 2 torpedoes at DD Kazegumo
DD Taekaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Hamakaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Amatsukaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Taekaze fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Sawakaze attacking submerged sub ....
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Sawakaze fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Tokunoshima at 97,66, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
DD Kazegumo
DD Tamanami, Shell hits 1
DD Hayanami, Shell hits 8, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Kiyoshimo, Shell hits 2
DD Umigiri, Shell hits 2
DD Amatsukaze, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hamakaze, Shell hits 2
DD Sawakaze, Shell hits 4, on fire
DD Taekaze

Allied Ships
BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota, Shell hits 1
BB Massachusetts, Shell hits 3
BB Alabama, Shell hits 2
DD Bryant, Shell hits 3
DD Callaghan, Shell hits 2
DD Gatling, Shell hits 1
DD Halford, Shell hits 3, on fire
DD Paul Hamilton, Shell hits 1
DD John Henley, Shell hits 1

Poor visibility due to Thunderstorms
Maximum visibility in Thunderstorms: 7,000 yards
Range closes to 24,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 24,000 yards
Range closes to 18,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 18,000 yards
Range closes to 12,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese radar detects Allied task force at 8,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Kiyoshimo at 8,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Sawakaze at 8,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Hamakaze at 8,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Amatsukaze at 8,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Halford at 8,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Kiyoshimo at 8,000 yards
DD Hayanami engages BB Alabama at 8,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Kiyoshimo at 8,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Hamakaze at 8,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Bryant at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 4,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Halford at 4,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Sawakaze at 4,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Amatsukaze at 4,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Umigiri at 4,000 yards
DD Paul Hamilton engages DD Kiyoshimo at 4,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Hayanami at 4,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Halford at 4,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Callaghan at 4,000 yards
Range increases to 7,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Hayanami at 7,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Sawakaze at 7,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Hayanami at 7,000 yards
DD Amatsukaze sunk by DD Paul Hamilton at 7,000 yards
DD John Henley engages DD Sawakaze at 7,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD John Henley at 7,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Gatling at 7,000 yards
DD Kazegumo engages DD Gatling at 7,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Bryant at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Hamakaze at 6,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Kazegumo at 6,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Hayanami at 6,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Kiyoshimo at 6,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD Paul Hamilton at 6,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Kiyoshimo at 6,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Tamanami at 6,000 yards
DD Hayanami engages DD Bryant at 6,000 yards
Range increases to 10,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Sawakaze at 10,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Sawakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Hamakaze at 10,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Hamakaze at 10,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD John Henley at 10,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Paul Hamilton at 10,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Halford at 10,000 yards
DD Kazegumo engages DD Bryant at 10,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Callaghan at 10,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Bryant at 10,000 yards
Range increases to 11,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Taekaze at 11,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Taekaze at 11,000 yards
DD Bryant engages DD Hamakaze at 11,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Paul Hamilton at 11,000 yards
DD John Henley engages DD Taekaze at 11,000 yards
DD Hayanami engages DD Paul Hamilton at 11,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Callaghan at 11,000 yards
DD Paul Hamilton engages DD Kazegumo at 11,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Callaghan at 11,000 yards
DD Hayanami engages DD Bryant at 11,000 yards
Range increases to 13,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Hayanami at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Halford at 13,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Hayanami at 13,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Tamanami at 13,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD John Henley at 13,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Paul Hamilton at 13,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Paul Hamilton at 13,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Hamakaze at 13,000 yards
DD Bryant engages DD Hayanami at 13,000 yards
Range increases to 17,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Taekaze at 17,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Halford at 17,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Hayanami at 17,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Paul Hamilton at 17,000 yards
DD John Henley engages DD Hamakaze at 17,000 yards
DD Hayanami engages DD John Henley at 17,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Halford at 17,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Hayanami at 17,000 yards
DD Bryant engages DD Tamanami at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 16,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Umigiri at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Bryant at 16,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Paul Hamilton at 16,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD John Henley at 16,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD Gatling at 16,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Paul Hamilton at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Halford at 16,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Hayanami at 16,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Bryant at 16,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Umigiri at 16,000 yards
DD Callaghan engages DD Hamakaze at 16,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Paul Hamilton at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD John Henley at 16,000 yards
DD Paul Hamilton engages DD Kiyoshimo at 16,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Bryant at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Gatling at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Callaghan at 16,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Bryant at 16,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Callaghan at 15,000 yards
DD John Henley engages DD Sawakaze at 15,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Hayanami at 15,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Hayanami at 15,000 yards
DD Bryant engages DD Kiyoshimo at 15,000 yards
DD Tamanami engages DD Paul Hamilton at 15,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Halford at 15,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Kazegumo at 15,000 yards
DD Hamakaze engages DD Bryant at 15,000 yards
Range increases to 16,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Gatling at 16,000 yards
DD Sawakaze engages DD Callaghan at 16,000 yards
DD Gatling engages DD Umigiri at 16,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD Bryant at 16,000 yards
DD John Henley engages DD Hayanami at 16,000 yards
DD Halford engages DD Sawakaze at 16,000 yards
DD Kazegumo engages DD Paul Hamilton at 16,000 yards
DD Taekaze engages DD Callaghan at 16,000 yards
DD Bryant engages DD Kiyoshimo at 16,000 yards
Range increases to 19,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Taekaze at 19,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Hayanami at 19,000 yards
BB South Dakota engages DD Taekaze at 19,000 yards
DD Umigiri engages DD Bryant at 19,000 yards
DD Kiyoshimo engages DD John Henley at 19,000 yards
Range increases to 23,000 yards
BB Alabama engages DD Tamanami at 23,000 yards
BB Massachusetts engages DD Hamakaze at 23,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Umigiri at 23,000 yards
BB North Carolina engages DD Hayanami at 23,000 yards
Task forces break off...


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 97,67

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 93
F6F-5 Hellcat x 45
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 41
SBD-5 Dauntless x 17
TBM-3 Avenger x 1

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 3 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak
SBD-5 Dauntless: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Kazegumo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Umigiri
DD Tamanami, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Sawakaze, on fire
DD Kiyoshimo, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Hamakaze

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
1 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
5 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
5 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
12 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
9 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Sawakaze
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Kiyoshimo
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Yugumo class DD


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Tokunoshima at 97,66

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 68 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 31 minutes

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 1
F6F-3 Hellcat x 86
F6F-5 Hellcat x 33
TBF-1 Avenger x 17
TBM-3 Avenger x 16

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Taekaze, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Hayanami, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
17 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Taekaze
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Hayanami


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 97,67

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBM-3 Avenger x 18

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
DD Hamakaze, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Umigiri

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.



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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 97,67

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 81
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 20
TBM-3 Avenger x 30

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Sawakaze, Bomb hits 5, and is sunk
DD Tamanami, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
DD Umigiri, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
DD Hamakaze, and is sunk

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
16 x TBM-3 Avenger bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
14 x TBM-3 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22.4in Mk 13 Torp.
5 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
10 x SB2C-3 Helldiver releasing from 4000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Sawakaze
Magazine explodes on DD Tamanami
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Mutsuki class DD
Heavy smoke from fires obscuring a Japanese DD
Magazine explodes on DD Sawakaze


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Tokunoshima at 97,66

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 46 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 55
F6F-5 Hellcat x 60
SBD-5 Dauntless x 15

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
DD Taekaze, Bomb hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
8 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 3000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring DD Taekaze


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Daito Shoto at 97,67

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 54
SBD-5 Dauntless x 23

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-5 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 10000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb



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Our carrier aircraft performed much better this time and it looks like they finished off the IJN destroyers that sortied. We had two TFs of destroyers and one CL TF on patrol in the hex but the battleships made the intercept. From recon Nagasaki/Sasebo does look to have a possibly unlimited supply of destroyers. I hope they are old.

Two or three days until the Amami Oshima invasion convoys arrive at Tokunoshima.

China.

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Malay Peninsula & Sumatra.

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Java Sea.

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Okinawa.

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Ships sunk.

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A rare in-combat pic. In the middle of the battle, two battleships and all of our destroyers were throwing smoke, raising fears that Long Lance torpedoes had connected.

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The status of our fast battleship task force after that engagement.

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That's a decent amounts of ships sunk. I wonder where the Haruna went though. Maybe she went back to Singapore?

I think you might really be able to kill every japanese unit at Naha, before they retreat at Nago.

I'm also wondering what kind of ships you'll find at the Cocos. Maybe some transport/supply convoy that got cut off and had nowhere else to go? Still 31 ships is a good haul of VPs...
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