I saw two of our regulars engage in a Market Garden scenario. Is it in the standard scenario list or is it for download somewhere?
It's just that I live in Holland and I know practically ALL the locations featured and I would like to play this scenario (possibly PBEM) as well!
Market Garden
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LordCucumber
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Re: Market Garden
Originally posted by Cyricist
I saw two of our regulars engage in a Market Garden scenario. Is it in the standard scenario list or is it for download somewhere?
It's just that I live in Holland and I know practically ALL the locations featured and I would like to play this scenario (possibly PBEM) as well!
Hello. Right now it is for 7.1 I do plan to re-design it for H2H
if you would like a copy please e-mail me at
KatzKiller01@aol.com
Jess
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Martin Sabre
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Re: Market Garden
Originally posted by M4 Jess
Hello. Right now it is for 7.1 I do plan to re-design it for H2H
if you would like a copy please e-mail me at
KatzKiller01@aol.com
Jess
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I'd be interested to see the scenarios as my father was made a PoW in the area shortly after the conclusion of the operation. Martin
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LordCucumber
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Here's a couple of excellent Market Garden maps by David Boutwell: Nijmegen and Arnhem.
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Jim NSB 
RobW you're spoiling the cool surprises that can happen if you read someone else's DAR. I purposely avoided any DARs on the scenario when I played against V2. I never knew where he was going to pop up with all his AB units.
Everyone is a potential [PBEM] enemy, every place a potential [PBEM] battlefield. --Zensunni Wisdom
fair comment RB - consider myself roundly told off - will stop reading! Anyway - its about how each person plays their forces - yes I get information on what to expect but not how my opponent will use them - eg I managed to take out artillery that I would have found even if I hadn't read about it on here - each game is completly different!
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Tracer,
Thanks for mentioning my maps. as I'm neck-deep in working on SPCW and finishing up another school year, I've not been visiting the forum lately.
Cyricist, before I got distracted by, and involved with, revamping the SPCW stuff, I was strictly focused on creating accurate scale maps of all of the Market Garden battlefields for 30 Corps, 101 and 82nd Airborne and 1st Airborne.
I started off with Arnhem, which tracer was kind enough to post. You will not find a better map of Arnhem anywhere, so once you've downloaded it, don't bother looking elsewhere. As that map was my first really large map, and at the time, I didn't have topographic maps of the region, It does have some intentional errors, however. For example, I had to morph the shape of the Rhine a bit to fit everything, from Osterbeek Laag Station to the factories east of the bridge, and from the south side of the bridge to the northern approach route into the limitation of a 100 hex wide map. But if that is cause for trashing it, then all Mercator maps should be thrown away (Greenland is not the size of North America!)
The next map I did was a very nice Veghel/Schijndel map. This map utilized prewar Dutch topographic maps and maps from the Battleground Europe series book "Hell's Highway". However, this map was lost when I accidentally saved another map over it, and had no current backup. I didn't have the heart to try to do it over again.
The next map I completed was A beautiful map of the city of Nijmegen. This map utilized numerous pre and post-war maps of the city, as well as aerial photos and pictures from the Battleground Europe book "Nijmegen".
I then did a smaller map of the 4th Brigade landing zone.
The most current map that I have on the drawing board is "Oosterbeek and the landing zones". It is VERY detailed and, thanks to WAWMAP, the elevation is correct. This map utilized more maps and information from members of the Arnhem Battle Research Group, a group of Dutch Market Garden enthusiasts, than any of the others.
Next, I hope to either focus on the 82nd Airborne landing zones or the 30 Corp bridgehead.
Heck, I've even located a guy here in the US whose father-in-law was a veteran of the Arnhem Bridge battle, and who was a personal friend of Frost.
So, you won't find many more Americans who have spent more time studying this campaign than I have.
If you are interested in discussing the campaign, and gaming it with Steel Panthers, please contact me.
Regards,
David Boutwell
Thanks for mentioning my maps. as I'm neck-deep in working on SPCW and finishing up another school year, I've not been visiting the forum lately.
Cyricist, before I got distracted by, and involved with, revamping the SPCW stuff, I was strictly focused on creating accurate scale maps of all of the Market Garden battlefields for 30 Corps, 101 and 82nd Airborne and 1st Airborne.
I started off with Arnhem, which tracer was kind enough to post. You will not find a better map of Arnhem anywhere, so once you've downloaded it, don't bother looking elsewhere. As that map was my first really large map, and at the time, I didn't have topographic maps of the region, It does have some intentional errors, however. For example, I had to morph the shape of the Rhine a bit to fit everything, from Osterbeek Laag Station to the factories east of the bridge, and from the south side of the bridge to the northern approach route into the limitation of a 100 hex wide map. But if that is cause for trashing it, then all Mercator maps should be thrown away (Greenland is not the size of North America!)
The next map I did was a very nice Veghel/Schijndel map. This map utilized prewar Dutch topographic maps and maps from the Battleground Europe series book "Hell's Highway". However, this map was lost when I accidentally saved another map over it, and had no current backup. I didn't have the heart to try to do it over again.
The next map I completed was A beautiful map of the city of Nijmegen. This map utilized numerous pre and post-war maps of the city, as well as aerial photos and pictures from the Battleground Europe book "Nijmegen".
I then did a smaller map of the 4th Brigade landing zone.
The most current map that I have on the drawing board is "Oosterbeek and the landing zones". It is VERY detailed and, thanks to WAWMAP, the elevation is correct. This map utilized more maps and information from members of the Arnhem Battle Research Group, a group of Dutch Market Garden enthusiasts, than any of the others.
Next, I hope to either focus on the 82nd Airborne landing zones or the 30 Corp bridgehead.
Heck, I've even located a guy here in the US whose father-in-law was a veteran of the Arnhem Bridge battle, and who was a personal friend of Frost.
So, you won't find many more Americans who have spent more time studying this campaign than I have.
If you are interested in discussing the campaign, and gaming it with Steel Panthers, please contact me.
Regards,
David Boutwell
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LordCucumber
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David: How can I not be interested 
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The story of Market Garden is legendary in my country. Since we live real close to Germany in our little country, there are loads of places where you can still find traces of the past World War, many of which have museums or documentation centres attached to them. I've been to Eindhoven and Arnhem on numerous occassions (should any of you guys wever come here, Arnhem has a very nice Zoo!).
I've always taken an interest in what happened in the war in my country.
I live in a city (town? it has 60k + residents) called Ridderkerk. One of the communities that fall under Ridderkerk as a whole is Rijsoord, and it was in Rijsoord that our General Winckelman signed our surrender to the Germans. The schoolbuilding where all this took place is like a 15 min. bicycle ride from where I live.
An old neighbour of mine was 11 years old or so when German para's landed on the dijk next to his house in 1940, to take the bridge near Alblasserdam. He was also there when the allies liberated the town.
Ridderkerk is close to Rotterdam. Most World War enthusiasts/historians know what happened there. They call it Manhattan on the Maas today here because of the modern buildings, since in 1940 the germans leveled the place to force our surrender. Should you ever visit Rotterdam, there is a statue there (made by a man called Zadkine, a well known artist/designer in our country) of how the 'heart of the city' got 'torn out'. It also has a few nice naval musea.
My mom comes from Loosduinen in The Hague. It was the place in the dunes by the North Sea where Germans launched V2s to London. Some areas of the dunes are occasionally closed down when munitions are discovered from the 1940-1945 period.
So yeah.. I'm interested in ANY scenario involving Holland
Edit: hmmmm.. reading my post back I feel I can start my own touring business
...The story of Market Garden is legendary in my country. Since we live real close to Germany in our little country, there are loads of places where you can still find traces of the past World War, many of which have museums or documentation centres attached to them. I've been to Eindhoven and Arnhem on numerous occassions (should any of you guys wever come here, Arnhem has a very nice Zoo!).
I've always taken an interest in what happened in the war in my country.
I live in a city (town? it has 60k + residents) called Ridderkerk. One of the communities that fall under Ridderkerk as a whole is Rijsoord, and it was in Rijsoord that our General Winckelman signed our surrender to the Germans. The schoolbuilding where all this took place is like a 15 min. bicycle ride from where I live.
An old neighbour of mine was 11 years old or so when German para's landed on the dijk next to his house in 1940, to take the bridge near Alblasserdam. He was also there when the allies liberated the town.
Ridderkerk is close to Rotterdam. Most World War enthusiasts/historians know what happened there. They call it Manhattan on the Maas today here because of the modern buildings, since in 1940 the germans leveled the place to force our surrender. Should you ever visit Rotterdam, there is a statue there (made by a man called Zadkine, a well known artist/designer in our country) of how the 'heart of the city' got 'torn out'. It also has a few nice naval musea.
My mom comes from Loosduinen in The Hague. It was the place in the dunes by the North Sea where Germans launched V2s to London. Some areas of the dunes are occasionally closed down when munitions are discovered from the 1940-1945 period.
So yeah.. I'm interested in ANY scenario involving Holland
Edit: hmmmm.. reading my post back I feel I can start my own touring business
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LordCucumber
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tracer: not all of them no, haha.. Since we are a small country, we do have A LOT of that going around. Oral history is BIG here if you know where to look. E.G. The father of another neighbour of mine loves sharing stories about his service in Indonesia. Of course they were the only company that wore their uniforms 'like they were on vacation', meaning just shorts and shirts etc. So while very entertaining you gotta keep track of the reality factor with these kinds of stories 
. But most of it is fun and educational and often very personal.
I still curse the day I had a small conversation with a B-something bomber crew veteran. I was on a school trip to a military aviation museum here in Holland, 12 years old and the ONLY kid in the class that controlled his English enough even to start a conversation. I had a good thing going (the guy really wanted to tell me all about the model of the bomber we were examining) when my teacher called me because we were moving on. Ever since my hunger for military historical knowledge cannot be satisfied.
A few weeks ago there was a piece in my local paper about a bomber crew (don't remember the type, but it was a British plane, probably a Lancaster or some such aircraft) who died in a field near where I live. This shows that war stories are still very much alive an people are still grateful for the freedom gained with the liberation of Europe.
Yeah I'm a real semi off topic history freak :rolleyes:
. But most of it is fun and educational and often very personal.I still curse the day I had a small conversation with a B-something bomber crew veteran. I was on a school trip to a military aviation museum here in Holland, 12 years old and the ONLY kid in the class that controlled his English enough even to start a conversation. I had a good thing going (the guy really wanted to tell me all about the model of the bomber we were examining) when my teacher called me because we were moving on. Ever since my hunger for military historical knowledge cannot be satisfied.
A few weeks ago there was a piece in my local paper about a bomber crew (don't remember the type, but it was a British plane, probably a Lancaster or some such aircraft) who died in a field near where I live. This shows that war stories are still very much alive an people are still grateful for the freedom gained with the liberation of Europe.
Yeah I'm a real semi off topic history freak
:rolleyes: