Don't know if we're going to get a morning turn in or not. Dan just got back from teaching and I work in a little under two hours. We'll give it a try.
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RE: ...not to be outdone...
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RE: ...not to be outdone...
Oh, well. No turn and am headed to work. Will do one tonight. This should allow Dan more time to get some dastardly commentary from his AAR following! [:'(]
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RE: ...not to be outdone...
Did you want some dastardly commentary as well? [:)]
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ORIGINAL: Anachro
Did you want some dastardly commentary as well? [:)]
As much as I can get!
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"Send us MORE Malines!"
June 30, 1943
The Allied Task Forces move oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh so tentatively into the Marshalls.
At Maleolap BBs Revenge and Oklahoma, a CA, a CL, and CLAA unload their entire stock of heavy shells onto the atoll. It is a waste of Ammunition. There is nothing there but a few damaged aircraft who couldn't redeploy the previous day. Nice to get these two used without import. Japanese gunnery is quite good, however, Revenge is hit 17 times and is definitely damaged while Oklahoma takes 6 shells. It isn't much but NICE!
The joke occurs at Majuro where a tiny garrison of troops finds a fast TF unloading a portion of a Para marine unit. The entire unit is wiped out in a 1-99 assault. Scratch 190 troops. Am certain they were not prepped for this target. The Japanese radio operator on the atoll broadcasts in the clear "Send us more MALINES!" There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose. Course these intrepid boys won't hold against any form of REAL assault but it is funny nonetheless.
Odd stuff here in that Dan is hardly using his planes to recon the atolls.
Something will pop tomorrow. Guaranteed. He is leading by one hex with his CVs. In a totally cheating move, I fly in small detachments of Judys and set them to Naval Attack Range--1. Maybe they can get a little lucky.
Expect my main bases to get hit soon. Roi Namur and Kwajalein must LOOK formidable with each having 5-7 units showing on recon (if he has even reconned them) but they are paper tigers. Lots of planes for a strike or two but that is about it. Have all 125 Transports flying in troops to Ailinglaplap, Wotje, and Roi Namur to stiffen resistance slightly. WANT him to make assault landings with these troops. The longer it takes the stronger I become and more fuel and sorties he uses.
Sabang's Days are numbered. I am noticing far less AA fire. Could the Allies FINALLY be running out of supplies? Lordy---I HOPE so... It is hit this day by 2 BC and 3 CA doing solid work.
The Allied Task Forces move oooooooooooohhhhhhhhhh so tentatively into the Marshalls.
At Maleolap BBs Revenge and Oklahoma, a CA, a CL, and CLAA unload their entire stock of heavy shells onto the atoll. It is a waste of Ammunition. There is nothing there but a few damaged aircraft who couldn't redeploy the previous day. Nice to get these two used without import. Japanese gunnery is quite good, however, Revenge is hit 17 times and is definitely damaged while Oklahoma takes 6 shells. It isn't much but NICE!
The joke occurs at Majuro where a tiny garrison of troops finds a fast TF unloading a portion of a Para marine unit. The entire unit is wiped out in a 1-99 assault. Scratch 190 troops. Am certain they were not prepped for this target. The Japanese radio operator on the atoll broadcasts in the clear "Send us more MALINES!" There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose. Course these intrepid boys won't hold against any form of REAL assault but it is funny nonetheless.
Odd stuff here in that Dan is hardly using his planes to recon the atolls.
Something will pop tomorrow. Guaranteed. He is leading by one hex with his CVs. In a totally cheating move, I fly in small detachments of Judys and set them to Naval Attack Range--1. Maybe they can get a little lucky.
Expect my main bases to get hit soon. Roi Namur and Kwajalein must LOOK formidable with each having 5-7 units showing on recon (if he has even reconned them) but they are paper tigers. Lots of planes for a strike or two but that is about it. Have all 125 Transports flying in troops to Ailinglaplap, Wotje, and Roi Namur to stiffen resistance slightly. WANT him to make assault landings with these troops. The longer it takes the stronger I become and more fuel and sorties he uses.
Sabang's Days are numbered. I am noticing far less AA fire. Could the Allies FINALLY be running out of supplies? Lordy---I HOPE so... It is hit this day by 2 BC and 3 CA doing solid work.
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RE: "Send us MORE Malines!"
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
June 30, 1943
The joke occurs at Majuro where a tiny garrison of troops finds a fast TF unloading a portion of a Para marine unit. The entire unit is wiped out in a 1-99 assault. Scratch 190 troops. Am certain they were not prepped for this target. The Japanese radio operator on the atoll broadcasts in the clear "Send us more MALINES!" There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose. Course these intrepid boys won't hold against any form of REAL assault but it is funny nonetheless.
Seems like he's checking what you have there. Best recon he can get. A good tactic.
Odd stuff here in that Dan is hardly using his planes to recon the atolls.
Something will pop tomorrow. Guaranteed. He is leading by one hex with his CVs. In a totally cheating move, I fly in small detachments of Judys and set them to Naval Attack Range--1. Maybe they can get a little lucky.
Why range 1? Are you sending them from a base you think will be hit? You can set to range 0 and it'll only attack at that base. Jakes work well in this role as they can fly from dots (and based in port, which is less damage prone from bombardments) as well, and if set to 1k can go in unmolested often. Judys will be more susceptible to bombardments and also have to fly at 10k, which makes them less likely to miss CAP. Judys are fast, so could get through something though.
Another tactic can be to put some Jakes on a place like Ailuck or Makin and add a few flown in air support and supplies. Then aim for the flank edges or rear on whichever side the CVs are not.
Expect my main bases to get hit soon. Roi Namur and Kwajalein must LOOK formidable with each having 5-7 units showing on recon (if he has even reconned them) but they are paper tigers. Lots of planes for a strike or two but that is about it. Have all 125 Transports flying in troops to Ailinglaplap, Wotje, and Roi Namur to stiffen resistance slightly. WANT him to make assault landings with these troops. The longer it takes the stronger I become and more fuel and sorties he uses.
A CAP trap might be more useful than a strike here. Make him fly to you, over your base with radar, and strike at a few low point ships while a strong CAP is present. He has to keep planes on 7 hex strike to watch for KB.
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RE: "Send us MORE Malines!"
There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose.
Minor nit-pick: the population of Japan during WWII was approximately 77 million.
Civil war? What does that mean? Is there any foreign war? Isn't every war fought between men, between brothers?
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RE: "Send us MORE Malines!"
ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose.
Minor nit-pick: the population of Japan during WWII was approximately 77 million.
I believe he is referring to the famous wartime slogans, "One hundred million hearts beating as one," or "One hundred million with one spirit." Both were very common themes in wartime Japanese propaganda.
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ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock
There immortal words help to stir 100 million souls as it is played over and over by Tokyo Rose.
Minor nit-pick: the population of Japan during WWII was approximately 77 million.
I believe he is referring to the famous wartime slogans, "One hundred million hearts beating as one," or "One hundred million with one spirit." Both were very common themes in wartime Japanese propaganda.
That I am.
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July 43
Had a long-assed day at work. Worked yesterday from 9am-5pm, had a Historical Society Board of Directors Meeting that ran from 5-8pm, and went back to work until 12:30am. Went to bed and got a call a little over five hours later that the freezer was too warm. Went back work and was there from 6am-5:30pm. The freezer was a nice, round $1200 repair. GREAT! Got home, had dinner with the family and then ran the turn.
Don't have much time for update but it was fairly impressively BAD. Lost nearly 175 planes and only had one nice development that is shown in the screenshot. Dan used elements of two ID (Aussie 7th) and several Regiments (an Army and a Marine). Lost Mili and Jaluit. No big deal there and have lots of reinforcements moving to my MLR.
That is about it. Am headed for some serious sleep.
Don't have much time for update but it was fairly impressively BAD. Lost nearly 175 planes and only had one nice development that is shown in the screenshot. Dan used elements of two ID (Aussie 7th) and several Regiments (an Army and a Marine). Lost Mili and Jaluit. No big deal there and have lots of reinforcements moving to my MLR.
That is about it. Am headed for some serious sleep.
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RE: July 43
The number 100 million is special in Japanese. The Japanese don't count as Westerners do, by powers of 1000 (millions, billions, trillions, etc.). Instead, their system for large numbers is based on powers of TEN thousand. So, for example, where we would say one hundred thousand, they would say Ju-man 十万 which is "ten ten thousands".
So one hundred million is actually ten thousand times ten thousand (10 to the eighth power), which is a special number and has its own character 億 "Oku" (actually written 一億 for "one (times) one hundred million"). So in saying 100 million instead of 77 million, they were not being literal, I believe they were invoking the "specialness" of this number as a symbol of the size, strength, unity and specialness/unity of the Japanese population. Kind of cool that they could summarize that in the single character 億 "oku".
They love to do symbolic stuff like this: for example, Japan is often symbolized by the single character for "sun" and the US by the character for "rice". But that is a different pedantic lecture for another day.
So one hundred million is actually ten thousand times ten thousand (10 to the eighth power), which is a special number and has its own character 億 "Oku" (actually written 一億 for "one (times) one hundred million"). So in saying 100 million instead of 77 million, they were not being literal, I believe they were invoking the "specialness" of this number as a symbol of the size, strength, unity and specialness/unity of the Japanese population. Kind of cool that they could summarize that in the single character 億 "oku".
They love to do symbolic stuff like this: for example, Japan is often symbolized by the single character for "sun" and the US by the character for "rice". But that is a different pedantic lecture for another day.
RE: July 43
Well...on the BRIGHT side...I got all three turns out this morning.
Thanks Dauntless.
These landings are so half-hearted. Dan is using the 7th Aust ID as his shock troops and that unit is landing by Brigades. Three other Regiments are counted (2 Army and 1 Marine). Lose Wotje but Ailinglaplap holds without issue. He'll need more troops there. No other landings presently. Have 3 DDs racing in for a swipe at Ailinglaplap so we'll see if they get lucky. Have another small STF moving to Tabitueau to try and intercept the troops convoys coming in from the east.
The 56th ID is landing at Ponape. A full CD unit is landing at Kusaie. Three reinforcement TF from China and Tokyo are 2-3 days from unloading. Once these units are present, I have little concern about him breaching my MLR.
Tokyo/Yokohoma: CVs Shokaku-Zuikaku and Hiryu-Soryu finish their upgrades and are available.
Thanks Dauntless.
These landings are so half-hearted. Dan is using the 7th Aust ID as his shock troops and that unit is landing by Brigades. Three other Regiments are counted (2 Army and 1 Marine). Lose Wotje but Ailinglaplap holds without issue. He'll need more troops there. No other landings presently. Have 3 DDs racing in for a swipe at Ailinglaplap so we'll see if they get lucky. Have another small STF moving to Tabitueau to try and intercept the troops convoys coming in from the east.
The 56th ID is landing at Ponape. A full CD unit is landing at Kusaie. Three reinforcement TF from China and Tokyo are 2-3 days from unloading. Once these units are present, I have little concern about him breaching my MLR.
Tokyo/Yokohoma: CVs Shokaku-Zuikaku and Hiryu-Soryu finish their upgrades and are available.
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RE: July 43
It looks like we're about to take hex 43,71 SW of Sabang. The Allies moved the 1st Marine Division to shore up the Sabang perimeter and this hex is now ripe for the plucking. Had a Bombardment TF hit it last turn and then the Deliberate Attack scored a 1-1. Am counting on disruption this turn and have ordered a Shock Attack. If we can take that then the 2nd Tank and 10th ID can move into the hex west of Sabang. This will force Sabang to SURRENDER on the next successful attack. I would really LIKE that!
Have been ready to attack Sabang to finish it but am waiting on the outcome of this attack before ordering it.
Have been ready to attack Sabang to finish it but am waiting on the outcome of this attack before ordering it.
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RE: July 43
A question if I may. After Sabang falls, what do you intend to do with the LCUs on Sumatra? It is mid-43. Do you intend to use these forces to:
a) evict the Allied advances in the Aleutians and Marshalls,
b) open a new area of operations to maintain the Japanese initiative,
c) use them to bolster your MLR, or
d) none of the above?
Being a somewhat conservative JFB, I would opt for option c at this stage of the war and use the KB and a few freed up ID as a ready reserve to blunt the next major Allied advance. I would be interested to know what your thoughts are for this game.
a) evict the Allied advances in the Aleutians and Marshalls,
b) open a new area of operations to maintain the Japanese initiative,
c) use them to bolster your MLR, or
d) none of the above?
Being a somewhat conservative JFB, I would opt for option c at this stage of the war and use the KB and a few freed up ID as a ready reserve to blunt the next major Allied advance. I would be interested to know what your thoughts are for this game.
RE: July 43
It gets really hard being offensive as Japan as the game progresses.
Allied intel is really good. Doesn't mean you can't pick your targets, just very difficult.
Allied intel is really good. Doesn't mean you can't pick your targets, just very difficult.
RE: July 43
Very good questions. When this happens (Sabang Surrenders) I will have NINE Infantry Divisions, multiple Base Forces, HQ Units, and scads of Engineers available.
My initial planning is to do a combination of A and C:
A. Offensive: Two ID at Medan are already prepping for Adak. Another is prepping for next door Ulak. Would like to make him FIGHT up here and occupy him until WINTER sets in up North.
C. Will pull another three ID for bolstering the line. My intention is to take the Fortesses that the marshalls already are and make them--dare I say--inpregnable.
Have leave at least three ID in the DEI to bloster that in case he tries again. Am pretty certain he will do that.
Also need to use those engineers and work on thickening the defensive belt of bases: Babeldoap, Mindanao, etc...
As to Allied Intel--it sure didn't help him in Sumatra or Burma. I WANT him to know I am coming up North. This should serve to divert him OR allow me to get another solid land victory.
I can lose the whole eastern edge of the Marshalls without it becoming a real threat. He needs to deal with Tarawa and Tabitueau or they will be a real thorn in his side. I have three Task Forces of Transports and Freighters heading to Noumea, Koumac, and Eg=fate to pull the last of those troops and supplies. They shall be moved to the southern shoulder of his offensive.
My initial planning is to do a combination of A and C:
A. Offensive: Two ID at Medan are already prepping for Adak. Another is prepping for next door Ulak. Would like to make him FIGHT up here and occupy him until WINTER sets in up North.
C. Will pull another three ID for bolstering the line. My intention is to take the Fortesses that the marshalls already are and make them--dare I say--inpregnable.
Have leave at least three ID in the DEI to bloster that in case he tries again. Am pretty certain he will do that.
Also need to use those engineers and work on thickening the defensive belt of bases: Babeldoap, Mindanao, etc...
As to Allied Intel--it sure didn't help him in Sumatra or Burma. I WANT him to know I am coming up North. This should serve to divert him OR allow me to get another solid land victory.
I can lose the whole eastern edge of the Marshalls without it becoming a real threat. He needs to deal with Tarawa and Tabitueau or they will be a real thorn in his side. I have three Task Forces of Transports and Freighters heading to Noumea, Koumac, and Eg=fate to pull the last of those troops and supplies. They shall be moved to the southern shoulder of his offensive.
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RE: July 43
Something ate my post, but in essence: great job in Sumatra, but even with the inevitable victory thats three straight invasions from your opponent where you've been flat footed to a great extent. What do you plan to do to prevent that happening again, because even with the imminent loss of 150k troops your opponent had just launched two nearly simultaneous successful invasions, and the pace is only going to increase.
RE: July 43
I'm playing Japan--RIGHT? Doesn't that mean I get screwed no matter what??!!
The areas he has landed in have progressed as far as they were ALLOWED to. I withdrew from the eastern Aleutians everything but a few units. Same said for the eastern Marshalls. I've been constricting my perimeter purposefully. The biggest missed guess on my part was this Marshall's move. It APPEARED that the Aleutians move was his big draw away from Sabang. Once contained, I felt safe to pull back more then half of the Kido Butai for upgrade. THAT was a mistake on my part.
Ship are coming back quickly and I need them. Planning is underway on some different ideas but I need to see just how far he intends to go with this current operation.
Running a new turn now...
The areas he has landed in have progressed as far as they were ALLOWED to. I withdrew from the eastern Aleutians everything but a few units. Same said for the eastern Marshalls. I've been constricting my perimeter purposefully. The biggest missed guess on my part was this Marshall's move. It APPEARED that the Aleutians move was his big draw away from Sabang. Once contained, I felt safe to pull back more then half of the Kido Butai for upgrade. THAT was a mistake on my part.
Ship are coming back quickly and I need them. Planning is underway on some different ideas but I need to see just how far he intends to go with this current operation.
Running a new turn now...
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RE: July 43
Hi,
reading both sides, therefore no comment at all (very interesting, btw).
Just a question: Did you repair the oil?
IMHO, your weakness is fuel and supply in 44 and later (there was a reason for going to war...)
reading both sides, therefore no comment at all (very interesting, btw).
Just a question: Did you repair the oil?
IMHO, your weakness is fuel and supply in 44 and later (there was a reason for going to war...)
RE: July 43
Gee, I don't get it. [&:]
I think you are about to pull off an epic coup in Sabang. All those divisions wiped out. JFB dream!
The KB is intact, and half upgraded.
Your perimeter is strengthening.
You pulled off another coup in Burma recently.
I am worried about 2 things:
1. Grinding down the Allied Airplanes (you haven't really mentioned much lately). Arrival of Jugs & Hellcats.
2. Increased effectiveness of Flak...as regards naval attacks and defending Allied bases.
But I think you are really in the cat birds seat right now.[&o]
I think you are about to pull off an epic coup in Sabang. All those divisions wiped out. JFB dream!
The KB is intact, and half upgraded.
Your perimeter is strengthening.
You pulled off another coup in Burma recently.
I am worried about 2 things:
1. Grinding down the Allied Airplanes (you haven't really mentioned much lately). Arrival of Jugs & Hellcats.
2. Increased effectiveness of Flak...as regards naval attacks and defending Allied bases.
But I think you are really in the cat birds seat right now.[&o]