The Good The Bad & The Indifferent

[Canoerebel]

These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

[ny59giants]

These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Yankee vs Southern

Down 'here' since '92 and I still speak too much Yankee for many. [:D]

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: Miller

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

ORIGINAL: Miller
Oh by the way, its defence not defense [;)]

Defence and defense are different spellings of the same word. Defense is preferred in American English, and defence is preferred in all other main varieties of English, including Australian, British, and Canadian English. The spelling distinction extends to most derivatives of defence/defense, including defences/defenses and defenceless/defenseless. But the words defensive, defensiveness, and defensively have an s everywhere.

Though defense is now the American spelling, it is not American in origin. The OED and Google Books reveal examples of the spelling from as long ago as the 1300s, many centuries before the United States existed. That spelling continued to appear a fraction of the time through the 19th century, when it was taken up by American writers. Today, to the chagrin of those who dislike American English, the spelling is gaining ground throughout the English-speaking world.

Lol I knew that, was just being pedantic hence the [;)] at the end of the post.

Readers of my AARs will notice that I have spelled it both ways -- depending upon the spellchecker in the program I used to write the missive in the first place...[:D]

[Canoerebel]

Many southerners spoke a derivative of Elizabethan English well into the 20th century, especially in rural farm areas and the mountains. (For a tremendous sampling, read Caroline Miller's Lamb in His Bosom, which received the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in the 1930s, though few have heard of it today.)

Today it is still common to hear words like "reckon" and "yonder." Those words seem to strike many northerners as antiquated or backwards, but I like them.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Many southerners spoke a derivative of Elizabethan English well into the 20th century, especially in rural farm areas and the mountains. (For a tremendous sampling, read Caroline Miller's Lamb in His Bosom, which received the Pulitzer Prize for Fiction in the 1930s, though few have heard of it today.)

Today it is still common to hear words like "reckon" and "yonder." Those words seem to strike many northerners as antiquated or backwards, but I like them.

In North Carolina along the outer banks you get the accent most closely linked to Elizabethan still spoken today. The "Hoi-Toider." (High Tide).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXs9cf2YWwg

I've heard it and it's tough to understand, but great to listen to.

[Canoerebel]

7/29/43

Circus: The badly damaged Fletcher DD is still two days from Dutch Harbor. She has 81 FLT damage but a good captain.

Roller Coaster: Beneficial friction today. Two large strike groups from Roi Namur target the Fletchers at Mili (they sortied overnight to check for mines at Jaluit and then return to base, perhaps this triggered the attack). The CAP handled the strikes well, downing 32 Georges and 20+ Judys. The Allies lost eight fighters (five F4Fs). The strikes were large enough to get through, so 20 Judys in each group targeted the Fletchers. I held my breath, and there were no hits. Nine more Judys downed by flak.

A separate, small strike force aimed at the xAK TF inbound to Jaluit, scoring one hit on the escorting DD. But a couple of Hellcats disrupted this strike fairly well.

The xAK TF will reach Jaluit tonight. The Fletchers will come over to provide cover against raiding enemy combat TFs. This is a hot environment, so friction may exact a toll.

[Canoerebel]

As most Americans know, southerners have a distinctive accent. I grew up in Miami, which does not have an accent. I always found the southern accent charming and pleasing. Now that I've lived in Georgia for 37 years, I no longer recognize the accent. IE, it just sounds "normal" to me. My family in Miami thinks I've picked up a bit of the southern accent, though I don't realize it conciously.

Ten years ago, me and my family (at the time, we had three children under ten) made our first foray out of the Confederate States on a long camping trip to New England. We found the people charming, especially the small town folks. Even the big city folks were uniformly nice; in part this is because they were struck by my wife's strong southern accent. I remember sitting on the subway in Washington, D.C., with the entire compartment listening to my wife when somebody asked her a question.

After we'd been gone for two weeks, we happened to be hiking to "The Bubbles" in Maine's Acadia National Park. It was late afternoon and we had the mountain to ourselves. Then we heard what seemed to be an older couple talking on their way up the mountain. As they got closer, I told my wife, "Hey, they sound like they're from home."

By "home," I didn't mean Savannah or Macon or Birmingham. Those are southern towns with southern accents, but just a bit different from ours. When the couple reached the top, I asked them where they were from. He replied, "Centre, Alabama."

Yeah, that's home - just 25 miles west of my town. Boy, they sounded good. It was then we realized that we missed home even while enjoying our first trip outside the Confederacy.

[Grfin Zeppelin]

Hah at least people understand you, I am Swabian and when I speak in my southern "accent" Germans usually dont understand anything. [:D]

[Lecivius]

I'm a mountain hillbilly. Most of us can just look at each other, nod our heads in a direction, maybe say a word or two...

Most people think I'm anti social. And I can come across as a bit gruff. I just don't talk a lot.

[JeffroK]

Aussie born and bred, but I spent a lot of time with Iris, Sth Africans & Kiwis.

I can start to talk with an accent in a long conversation or after a few beers.

As for spelling (Defence etc), its spelt (and pronounced) the way I was taught at school, modern changes be damned!

[JohnDillworth]

Brooklyn born, raised in Queens with zero New York accent. My wife, born in Manhattan, raised in Queens has a heavy Queens accent. He have know each other since we are 16. My kids can't figure out why their father has no accent and their mother does. I can't figure it either. I suppose some people retain accents and some don't

[Canoerebel]

7/30/43

The French phrase "Vive la difference!" says it just about perfectly, no? (forgive the misspellings - I have no idea how the French spell anything).

Circus: The badly damaged Fletcher will reach Dutch Harbor tonight; FLT damage is steady at 80. John's recon persistently targets Cold Bay, Umnak, Adak and Ulak. Still alot of behind-the-scenese movement for the Allies.

Roller Coaster: The xAK TF reaches Jaluit and unloads have it's cargo. But the supply is irrelevant, because it gets eaten nearly immediately due to overstacking. So the crux of the mission is to offload supply and then load some units. Whether John gives me time is the question. Georges and Judys target the TF in modest number and are handily repulsed. John loses 12 Georges and 4 Judys. The Allies lose two Kiwi Kittyhawk 1As. (The entire line of P40 frames seems to perform well in combat due to armor; at least when the pilots are good, which these are.)

The two Essex class carrier are no more than three days from Pearl. I think the two carriers upgrading at Pearl need 12 or 13 more days. And I think the Canadian brigade en route from Victoria should reach Pearl in about 10 days. It will combine with a US RCT to form the core of the Roi-Namur invasion force.

Lots of enemy subs around Pearl; and Allied ASW seems to be handling them well (and the same thing in the Marshalls and the Aleutians).

John probably doesn't know exactly what's coming next, but I think he'll have enough information and instinct to be able to jump on the next op if he wishes to do so. I think he'll wish to do so, but there's a small chance he'll not think Kwaj and Roi-Namur important enough or to his liking. So I think we're about to see a major carrier battle, but it's not a certainty.

[Canoerebel]

Here's a link to a video of two young southern ladies singing in an abandoned textile mill in Lindale, Georgia. The young lady on the left is a good friend of our family's - we've known her since before she was born.

It's just lovely music with surprisingly good acoustics. And it's nice to see nice young people using their creativity for good.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bY4riDl1qBk

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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Brooklyn born, raised in Queens with zero New York accent. My wife, born in Manhattan, raised in Queens has a heavy Queens accent. He have know each other since we are 16. My kids can't figure out why their father has no accent and their mother does. I can't figure it either. I suppose some people retain accents and some don't

TV most likely.

Here in the UK the regional differences in speech are too numerous and subtle for me to begin to understand. But Brits at least get em and can pick out the general area someone is from, if not the actual town. I can now hear some of the major city accents, the ones that denote levels of education, and some of the nuances of how accents are used (meaning they're not always the same depending on who is speaking to who).

I got that in NC too though after living in Bynum, an old textile factory town on the Haw river with one general store/post office combined. The language my neighbors spoke to each other was at first different than how they spoke to me, but after a year or so it began to change. Very good to remember the first time being invited for tea at Mary Council's home. A 93 year old neighbor across the road. She finally spoke her mind then, but it was so foreign to my ear I only got every third word!!

[Capt. Harlock]

These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Hmm. According to my Southern Idiom sources, "naked" means "you got no clothes on" and "nekkid" means "you got no clothes on, and you're up to something".

BTW, do people still use "john-brown" as a curse, e. g. "I couldn't get the john-browned thing to work"?

[crsutton]

My accent is middle eastern. Yeah, I would make a perfect newscaster. However, as soon as I get with back with my Georgia cousins, I regress.

[Canoerebel]

ORIGINAL: Capt. Harlock

These are important things. For instance, there is no such word as "naked" in the South. It's just flat "nekkid." You can't say it any other way.

Hmm. According to my Southern Idiom sources, "naked" means "you got no clothes on" and "nekkid" means "you got no clothes on, and you're up to something".

BTW, do people still use "john-brown" as a curse, e. g. "I couldn't get the john-browned thing to work"?

I've heard that distinction between "naked" and "nekkid" before. I like it too. But mostly we just say "nekkid." I guess we have our minds in the gutter.

"I'll be John Brown" remains a common saying. Usually it's not a curse, but rather a mild exclamation. You get dealt the queen of spades in Hearts, you exclaim, "I'll be John Brown." My mother-in-law used that frequently.

Another is "Adam's House Cat," as in "I don't know him from Adam's house cat." (IE, I don't know him at all.)

I still occasionally hear country folks use "you uns," as in: "Are you uns goin' to the store today?" But that's so country that it raises eyebrows among regular country folks.

"Y'all" is still omnipresent in the South. I'm glad too. Folks that use "y'all" correctly are home folks.

[Encircled]

I was on the radio recently (managed to win a kitchen!) and I didn't realise how Northern I sound.

Not Manc, or scouse, but proper Northern!

[Kofiman]

I have a distinctive accent as a central British Columbian, a big ole rural one. I've had encounters like the one on the mountain, before.. picking out a local from across a crowded room, and one time, picking up a local on national news before turning around to look at the newscast.

[Canoerebel]

7/31/43

Circus: DD Abbot, the badly damaged Fletcher, made it to Dutch Harbor. 5th Indian Div. is 78% prepped for Amchitka. It's the backbone of the invasion force - a good unit with 70 experience and 99 morale. I think Amchitka is stoutly defended, but probably not by as much as a division. I do think that Attu still has 7th IJA Div.

Roller Coaster: The xAKs at Jaluit are mostly unloaded, but an iJN combat TF is inbound and close. I've disbanded the TF in port. The Fletcher TF at Mili will come over tonight. And all the SBDs and TFBs are set to naval strike. This could turn into a LRCAP debacle, but I'll chance it this time.

The two Essex class carriers are two days out of Pearl. Quite a few troop TFs are inbound, carrying one US RCT, one Canadian brigade, two Canadian battalions, and some fragments that got separated during the frenzy that was Roller Coaster following so quickly after Circus. Wasp and Lex are 12 days from being repaired.

I'm somewhat surprised John hasn't sent KB raiding into the waters between Pearl and the Aleutians. He does't have eyes on all the traffic between these two locations, but he probably wanted to give it a try. IK wonder if that's what that weird xAK TF was doing a week or so back - testing Allied nav search and picket lines.

Australia: Several units that withdrew from Carnavon (too far forward) have arrived at Geraldton. They'll report inland to Kalgoorlie and other bases to serve in reserve. If John comes for the Perth region, he's almost sure to land at Esperance and Albany.

Assam: Roughly 10 units unneeded at Ramree are beginning the cross to the mainland and are en route to Cox's Bazaar and Chittagong. Theis was to done to avoid having a large army cut off and threatened with destruction, which may be a high priority for John after his success in Sumatra. Alfred got me to thinking along these lines, so I appreciate his input.